RE: The right to bear arms

@OP so the constitution guarantees the right of gun ownership for protection or defence. How then does it protect the citizen from gun ownership for murder, where there is no thought of defence, just of murder? Constitutional right to buy a murder weapon having murderous intent? Oh, but then that would be excusable madness, wouldn't it?
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Playing the magic square puzzle...

So this is the general Solution
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I was thinking about the diagonal abcd with a+c=b+d=17 as ted mentioned, and it wasn't immediately obvious to me but it is simple algebra. Each solution has variants based on rotation and reflection or the symmetry group of a square
The image is of a spreadsheet in which ordering the bcde or 2481 can generate all variants which have R1C1 = a =1 (or R1C4=a=1) - there should be 16.

RE: The Dichotomy that never was…nor should ever be

Personally I believe in nothing and need nothing. A belief which will never change. I would simply paraphrase Descartes as 'sum, ergo sum' being unsure about the 'thinking/cogito' aspect. Allow me to go back to my current Kenken problem and 'think' about it!

Playing the magic square puzzle...

Rotations about the diagonal, as expected

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@merlot @ted used matrix algebra, and that allows programming - but there are 20 equations and 18 variables, 2 equations need elimination. I haven't solved it - very time consuming by logic.

RE: Have a history teacher explain this if they can

Random stuff - coincidence exist wherever you look for it; one born every minute if that gives you a frisson!

Playing the magic square puzzle...

@ted by diagonal symmetry there are (at least) two solutions

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Eliminating redundant constraints
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The four corners and the central quadrant are derivable, so that reduces the equations to 4+4+8+2=18
Still 2 too many, and the diagonal constraints are used in the proof, yet they are the only candidates.
So perhaps we need to show the other constraints imply the diagonals.

RE: So many "LIKES"....So little "HI's". What gives?

@OP I get more than enough of the 'hi!' mail, but the number who exceed half my age, are not strikingly good looking, and do not live in America is in single digit territory. Usually I am about grandpa age. The number who respond with appropriate interests and age I can count on my thumbs.

Playing the magic square puzzle...

I am not teaching him matrix inversion - you'd accuse me of being Charles Dodgson! I'm doing it by pure logic and elimination. Notice how the 23-11 diagonal pattern propagates as a result of the initial clues. The 2x2 square constraint in fact makes it considerably easier, not harder.

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@merlot think of the 2x2 square as defined by its top left corner. Then every square except column 4 and row 4 has a corresponding 2x2. This is the 3x3 square R1C1 - R3C3 - 9 squares.
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Haha I see 7 is too easy. Here's a level 9, which is getting pretty fiendish!
I left a shot in of the browser tab so you can see the url if you care to visit the website.

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@ted for the 4x4 there are 4+4+2+9 = 19 equations for 16 variables so there is clear redundancy, non-independency. But yes I missed the requirement for all 9 2x2 squares! Back to the drawingboard, but it still makes bot the boy and myself think intensely.

Playing the magic square puzzle...

there are 9 2x2 squares - I knew that the 4 quadrants and the centre can be proven to do that, but the other 4 I never considered!

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Oh I am wrong - it does indeed say 'and each 2x2 square - that is not normal!

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There is no requirement for the R1C2xR2C3 square to add to 34, nor for R2C1xR3C3; the Four corners and the central square yes. The requirement is clearly stated in the image.

When n is a multiple of 4 there are additional properties. Not sure how Ramanujan comes into this however, but it is amusing.

Playing the magic square puzzle...

Merlot the quadrants in 4x4 and 8x8 magic squares are also equal to the sum - the corner 2x2 squares also sum to 34 in the 4x4 case. Hence you notice the 17 but it is in two rows. It is not a requirement of the puzzle.

Playing the magic square puzzle...

no there are frequently two solutions where you may have a rectangle
a or b | b or a
--------|---------
c or d | d or c
Where you can swap a/c b/d
if a+c = b+d then row and column sums are unaffected if located appropriately
The second solution I provided is a valid second solution. Yours was valid too.
The linear equations do not express the full problem. You have n^2 variables with 2n+4+c equations. Morever they are not linearly independent. I've forgotten the terminology for problems involving one-one pigeon-holing.

Playing the magic square puzzle...

yes - look at 1 and 3 - they cannot go in rows 2 or 4, and they cannot go in the same column. Since column givens add to 18 and we need 16, so (1,15), (3,13) occupy 4 squares in two columns. The first trial of 1 at R1C1 turns up trumps. Sometimes there are dual solutions involving exchanging ab/ba pairs and symmetry. Using linear algebra doesn't seem to work since the equations are not independent.
9,8,3,14
12,5,2,15
6,11,16,1
7,10,13,4 seems to be such a dual

Playing the magic square puzzle...

Since the four corners add to 34, that tells us that R1C1+R4C1 = 16, so R2C1 = 34 - 16 - 6 and that is the last even number. All the others remaining are odd, two each per column and each column pair adds to 16...

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but you will note that the centre four and the corner 4 do add to 34 as expected - just not the 4 rows, and one of the diagonals.

Playing the magic square puzzle...

Rows Columns and Diagonals all have to be 34 - not just columns

RE: FRIENDSHIP

Someone here says you grow out of friendships? I have very few - one hand is enough. But in fact I find you grow into them and they are life-long, they are truly cherished.

RE: The right to bear arms

A nice thoughtful article, not strident at all:

Worth the read.
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RE: People's strange behaviors

Watching people is not so strange: On Sunday nights my parents used to take (as a kind of relaxation) a drive to city on Sunday night, midnight more or less, just to get the Sunday-night paper, and watch the weird locals in Kings-Cross

RE: APOPHIS THE ASTEROID

From my reading it is deemed insignificant. So why do you mention it?

RE: Roe v. Wade and deadly leftist illogic

the 'leftist illogic' is particularly egregious - this is an ignoramous spouting nonsense and needing correction.
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RE: Roe v. Wade and deadly leftist illogic

Well it takes an American male bigot to express such ideas. Wait and watch what the world says.
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RE: Shan't...

A dictionary the doesn't have derision? Wow! As an aside my C-E dictionary PLECO doesn't have kookaburra. Whoops it's been updated and now it does! It certainly has derision.

RE: Shan't...

rizla - marmite soldiers? wah! marmite is New Zealand paste! Here we use vegemite. But what are the soldiers?

RE: Shan't...

English of both Murrikun and British varieties is pretty arbitrary, innit? Floridians I guess speak alligatish.

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