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RE: Say .... Nothing, ... STF Up Thread #2

yawn

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RE: Authentic Self

Just trying to keep the thread going Al...grin

beer

RE: Authentic Self

wave

RE: Say Anything

Yes it's quite a lunation....yay

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My mind can't quite grasp infinity, even if I thought about it forever.

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RE: Authentic Self

That could just be perception conceptualising.

Sometimes it could be useful to go beyond the confines of words and observe.

dunno

RE: Say Anything

Clear skies here tonight also....cool

RE: Authentic Self

They are words, and what they are relating to is a concept but only in the mind. Buddhist teachings say, outside the mind none of these concepts exist. The mind is made up of the 5 precepts, all of which are empty of individual existance. What you are then left with is the body, but even that doesn't exist independently from it's own side.

RE: Authentic Self

The 5 precepts are not the same as what we consider to be the 5 senses. What I 've written is an extremely basic explanation of a very complex subject.
'Emptiness' is really quantum science being taught 2500 years before it was even considered in the west.

RE: Authentic Self

There is a separation between perception and consciousness. Perception is 'that which identifies.' The object perceived may be physical or mental, such as an idea.
The consciousness is the awareness or sensitivity to an object but without any conceptualisation.
If you look to find the self, (observer) in which of these precepts is the observer to be found? They cannot be separated but in reality, as an entity on their own, they do not exist, they are empty of shape, size, form, smell, colour or mass and volume.
It's a very difficult subject to realise, I resist calling it a concept because it isn't, it's an awareness that has to be experienced.

RE: Say Anything

It's the 'Worm' moon tonight!!

wave

RE: Authentic Self

To look at it from a different perspective we could consider the Buddhist view of no-self, called anatman or anatta.
This is central to Buddhist beliefs, yet it's probably the most difficult to comprehend. I tend to get a simple understanding but I'm far from fully aware of it's true meaning, but it's a fascinating subject for me.
Fundamentally Buddhism teaches that an individual is a combination of five aggregates of existence, also called the Five Skandhas or the five heaps:

Form
Sensation
Perception
Mental Formations
Consciousness

The first Skandha is our physical form. The second is our feelings -- both emotional and physical -- and our senses -- seeing, hearing, tasting, touching, smelling.
The third, perception, takes in most of what we call thinking -- conceptualization, cognition, reasoning.
The fourth skandha, mental formations, includes habits, prejudices, and predispositions. This also includes things like our desires, vindictiveness, and many other mental states both virtuous and not virtuous. It's from this skandha that our karma is formed, which becomes cause and effect.
The fifth skandha, consciousness, is awareness of or sensitivity to an object, but without conceptualization. Once there is awareness, the third skandha might recognize the object and assign a concept-value to it, and the fourth skandha might react with desire or revulsion or some other mental formation. The fifth skandha is explained in some schools as a base that ties the experience of life together.
The important thing to understand and realise about the skandhad is that they are empty. They are not qualities that an individual possesses because there is no-self possessing them.
If these qualities contain no real form and none of them can exist independently from their own side, it should be clear that what we call the self, in reality, does not exist.

"Very basically, the Buddha taught that "you" are not an integral, autonomous entity. The individual self, or what we might call the ego, is more correctly thought of as a by-product of the skandhas.

On the surface, this appears to be nihilistic teaching. But the Buddha taught that if we can see through the delusion of the small, individual self, we experience that which is not subject to birth and death."

The last two paragraphs are c&p to sum up.

Killing Eve

Yes it really does seem so wrong...laugh

RE: Authentic Self

I'm not sure there is any specific definition, I take it to mean self-torment, so that would include things like jealousy, hatred, anger and all such unwanted emotions.

Killing Eve

I know exactly what you mean...laugh

Have you heard her speak in her natural scouse accent?....wow

RE: Authentic Self

A disturbence of the mind, for example jealousy.

BB might have a different definition.

Killing Eve

I don't know how many people are familiar with the TV series Killing Eve, but I am in awe of Jodie Comer's incredible ability to mimic so many accents, especially when you hear her talk in her native Liverpudlian accent. It's little wonder she was awarded a Grammy......applause

RE: Authentic Self

He has 16 books published, great author and inspiring orator....

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Yes but unfortunately many (most) people are totally unaware of the major part it's 'playing' in their lives and it's true nature.

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Mike George on the immune system of the soul....short video.....

RE: Authentic Self

In the world of psychology the ego, it's functions and it's 'foibles' are well researched and documented. It's not some kind of mysterious force that we speculate about, it's actually very basic psychology.

RE: Authentic Self

I don't think ego can be labelled as good or bad, that would just be someones opinion. From the ego's narrow view of the world the task is security, dominance andthe cessation of conflict, in a balanced mind at least. But the proper role of the ego is to have a collaborative relationship with the Self, the observer I mentioned earlier. Due to it's need for autonomy the ego will try to resist openess and can lack the will to negotiate with the Self, it really wants to rule the roost and remain in control.
The ego then becomes an attachment to the wrong image of my Self or belief about my Self. Ego becomes the the Self, the 'I' that says 'I am' attaching itself to an image or belief which I then mistake for my Self.....
Consequently, the ego becomes the false self, the 'I" attaching to and identifying with an image that is not the Self.
If the observer, (the true Self) sits quietly for long enough and observes, this will become fully apparent.

RE: Authentic Self

Well for most of us, for most of the time playing a role is what we do. The name of the actor is ego and the characters played are many. It's possible to sit back and observe this actor by being very still and mentally very quiet, then we will learn so much' and maybe even no longer need to act but just be.

RE: Authentic Self

We are always someone else, change is constant.

RE: Authentic Self

Shadow boxing?

grin

RE: Authentic Self

Been trying to get away from it Al, but it just seems to follow me around.

wave

RE: Authentic Self

Are you living a lie to fit in? I think most of us do to some extent, but recognising that is at least a way forward.

"Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow"

T.S. Eliot......The Hollow Men:

RE: COVID surges again in China

Russell has a huge following, around 5m and for good reason.

thumbs up

RE: Speech Synthesis

"Exterminate exterminate."

Something like that you mean?

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RE: Fault Finding

Not till next weekend in the UK.

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