RE: 8 prominent Doctors and scientists ...

It has to be said, lurchers are easy, apart from the perving and thieving.

No amount of comfort is too much.

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This one is very like my last fella.

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I do like pigs and I am slightly jealous you have a pig, but I'm more of a lurcher kinda gal.

I'm not an awkward hugger when to comes to lurchers at all. smitten

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Ha, I'm glad someone does.

I'm probably not winning friends and influencing people right now. laugh

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Ya do, don'cha?

You cuddle y'pig. laugh

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The question is, does Mikey hug his pig...? giggle

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I'd be impressed if Rosie could sit on a tree.

She's not really the shape for it.



Scroll down for her portrait. laugh

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If you want the gossip, Selente, Mikey's girl is caled Rosie...

RE: Worst sin ever?

“There is only one sin. and that is theft...When you kill a man, you steal a life. You steal his wife's right to a husband, rob his children of a father. When you tell a lie, you steal someone's right to the truth. When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness.” Khaled Hosseini, The Kite Runner

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rolling on the floor laughing

I've never had a dog that could go without peeing all day, so I was thinking those living in apartments with dogs must have to go out several times. I was thinking it would be a good excuse, but I see it's been taken to a whole new level. laugh

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I wear a mask and socially distance everywhere where there are people apart from in my daughter's home with family.

I'm maybe more cautious than many, but I have an underlying health condition for which I take medication that suppresses my immune system (it's horrible).

I'm more worried about unwittingly passing on the virus than having it again myself, so there is an element of fear that I might harm someone else if I'm careless.

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I'm interested in the autoimmune claim, if you have a link for that.

Is it only linked with mRNA vaccines, or is there a link with all vaccines and/or the disease itself?

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I didn't see my family for the first four months of the pandemic, but that was over a year ago. dunno

I guess you have a lot of outdoor seating areas in coffee bars/restaurants. That's beginning to catch on here, but our streets aren't always appropriate for that, especially here in Wales. Pubs often have beer gardens and they have been open for meals/drinks on and off throughout the pandemic.

My point about cinemas and pubs is that if people go out in the winter, they tend to go in. It rains a lot here, so people are going to be indoors somewhere a lot of the time.

How do Spanish dogs only go to the toilet once a day? shock

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I'm sorry for your loss, Sel.

I don't wear a mask, or socially distance when I'm with my family, but I do everywhere else, as do the other adults in the family.

Do I take a gamble? Maybe, but it does reduce the odds when we proceed with some caution. That's not the same as living in fear.

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We didn't have to stay indoors.Even with our most severe restrictions we could go out for exercise once a day and be in gardens/on balconies.

People tend to stay in during the winter through choice, restrictions, or not. Not being able to go to the cinema, or a pub doesn't change that.

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Have you got a source/link to go with that, Dedo?

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No, masks, social distancing, handwashing and other hygiene practises.

And maybe praying for a bitterly cold winter would be better, at least with respect to some microbes. It's good to have a clear out and we're likely susceptible to lots of bugs and stuff at the moment given 18 months of avoidance.

RE: Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?

He's in good company then, eh? wink

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Nah, I won't be offered, nor getting one of those for a long while.

We need to focus on resources going to low income countries because it will be a more effective vaccine strategy, we have 78.9% of the UK population fully vaccinated, 86% partially vaccinated and our daily deaths are relatively low, maybe as low as can be expected from a seasonal, endemic disease.

I have other, personal reasons for not having a third shot at this moment in time.

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No, it demonstrates you don't understand how the vaccines work.

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He was also 84 and...
It's expected that a vaccinated person in their 80's is more vulnerable to covid that an unvaccinated person in their 20's, even without other comorbidities. There's no great mystery, or conspiracy there.

That's why we should still be implementing other protcols to prevent the spread of the infection. The vaccines don't break the link between infection and disease, despite our muppet Prime Minister's claims, they weaken it.

So far in the UK that's working as despite the highest rate of Delta infection in Europe, the number of daily deaths are very low compared with our pre-vaccine waves.

RE: Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?

Thankyou and you're welcome, Ro.

RE: Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?

Or those who think they're keeping everything the same, one post at a time.

RE: Are boycotts a legitimate form of protest?

It could be illegal if the denouncement was slanderous, libelous, or contravened some other law.

I could call for a boycott of Unilever products because the company is involved in animal testing, but not because they eat babies, or practise a religion I don't like.


Like you said, there will be many reasons including that not being a part of the service, harassment, a non-directive, client lead ethos, etc.. You don't want primary need service users to avoid potentially life saving aid because they can't stomach the politics, or religion being foisted on them.

It's about a compromise between your rights and theirs, their need being a primary one (food, medical care) and yours being somewhat tertiary (spiritual/intellectual fulfilment).


A bit off topic, but I agree, for many primary needs being met (or extensions to primary needs like driving to work) being contingent on having the right documentation is a problem. That is a failure of the system, particularly as the poorer you are, the more difficult it is.

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I don't think 'gaslighting' is the term you're looking for, Conrad.

Unless President's comment has lead you to question your own reality and sanity.

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I agree, a lot of stuff appeared bonkers, but I imagine there were a number of reasons for those inconsistencies.

One of them would have been the simplification of parameters, however complex that became in reality. For example, at one point we could buy food, but not clothes, household goods and other daily non-essentials. That meant grocery stores had to remove, or tape off certain displays - I could walk past the stationary to get to the Valentine's chocolates, but couldn't pick up a writing pad for my grandchildren's remote learning. laugh

Other factors would have been politician's remoteness from everyday human existence and everyday humans remoteness from the complexities of trying to manage a pandemic with new information and research data constantly changing the picture.

None of that means our governments are totally evil, nor totally competent and caring. Inevitably there will be self-interest given how ambitious you have to be to become a leader, but that doesn't mean it's all one big global conspiracy.

And those practical inconsistencies aren't the same as the misinformation and manipulation kind that are on the video you cited.

I like the idea of a global community involving co-operation and fairness and I like the idea of small communities where everyone has an input. The one thing that doesn't seem to work very well is the one thing most of us have got - big, unwieldy countries.

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Yes, but again, that trust is about our emotional investment; we want to feel safe, but distrust creates anxiety and maybe anger directed at leaders/countries.

If we have an emotional investment in our expectations we are far more likely to seek out information which confirms our beliefs, or misinterpret information, rather than evaluate each 'event' from a neutral perspective. That's what the video makers were relying on when they produced inconsistent and meaningless sequences with their editing.

If we haven't got an emotinal investment, it's clearer when we're being played, or when we don't have all the information which may lead to different things beng said by different people, or at different times.

One of the distrust issues with people like Anthony Fauci is that he's said different things at different times. He has been consistent, however, if you take into account that onging research during the pandemic has provided new information, probabilites and hypotheses that have been disproved.

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No, science doesn't quite work like that, but it's a common fallacy that it does which maybe leads to some of the confusion.

Research can't 'prove' something to be correct, or 'a fact'. What it can do is disprove, or indicate a probability that something is true. That information is then used to create the next hypotheses to disprove, or demonstrate a probability. In this way likelihood is accumulated over time.

So, researching the hypothesis that men are taller than women may produce the result that it's probable, but it doesn't prove it as fact - some women are taller than some men even if most men are taller than most women.

How you apply that information may affect how you present the results depending on your goal: an ergonomically designed space might not use overall average size, but consider that women are usually shorter than men.

I don't know what information you're comparing across countries, but multiple interacting factors and probabilities may impact upon decision making in each country to reach specific goals.

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I know what I understand to be the meaning of a virus being 'isolated', I was wondering what other people thought it meant.

I don't understand how people can think that vaccines can be produced and variants can be identified without identifying the virus. dunno

How can claims be made that covid leaked from the Wuhan lab, or is a bioweapon, etc. if the virus has never been isolated, identified, nor seen in any way?

It's important to recognise inconsistencies when filtering information.

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Yes, please.

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