RE: "Defensive narcissist"

I'm afraid it's not self-explanatory, Cachuchi.

For one thing I'm using my phone and can't see it properly and for another, relying on 'self-explanatory' gets us into hot water with interpreting from our own value framework again. laugh

As for talking about two different things can you outline what they are and why they are separate?

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

They catch us, Cachuchi...? confused

Wouldn't that imply that mental illnesses are entities with purpose? Free will and volition?

How is it functional to anthropomorphise models of mental illness?

How is it functional to focus on the impact of personality disorders upon 'victims', rather than on people who display the behaviours? Is it self-protection? In which case might we be accused of demonstrating a narcissistic trait ourselves? laugh

In becoming emotive, or passionate about personality disorders, surely we are running into all sorts of hot water about our own personal development, or lack thereof.

I have had a colleague who displays some interesting behaviours. I have had to constantly remind myself that the bits he appears to have missing (empathy, a sense of self) might not be 'his fault'. Where does that leave us in terms of a 'disease' model?

This colleague has come across as an absolute shit and it has been very difficult not to react emotionally to his behaviour. By the same token, his struggle to make sense of his world and to align himself with social norms has been evident.

In some circumstances perhaps passion might be viewed as a dysfunction. In some circumstances personality disorder traits are viewed as brave and heroic.

Do we all have a bit of a problem with managing thoughts, feelings and behaviours with respect to an awareness of context? laugh

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

@Serene...

Or perhaps diagnoses provide a model (because they are simply models - they're not like colds and cancer in the you-can-poke-it school of medicine).

Models may be a useful framework for understanding and tackling dysfunctional thoughts, feelings and behaviours.

So, who gets to decide if diagnoses are useful? Clinicians? Clients? CS forum posters? laugh

RE: Is D. Trump a psychopath

Also, surgeons display anti-social personality disorder traits apparently.

I've heard the difference between serial killers and surgeons is how the individual was raised as a child and how potentially negative traits are channelled into positive outcomes as a result.

That begs two questions: what was Trump's childhood like?; and would you trust him as your surgeon? laugh

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

I meant your replies to myself and rainbow.

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

Are your last two posts from a dispassionate, clinical perspective, Cachuchi? laugh

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

The trouble with diagnoses are that the categories are somewhat arbitrary.

How functional is it that we say, 'you fit into this box that I've made up and I'm going to call you this name'?

All of us at some point behave in certain ways which might fit us into some box, or another, but does that define who we are? Is it not better to challenge behaviours as we see them, either in ourselves, or others who in one moment of time are transgressing a perceived code of conduct?

And that's another thing - personality disorders (whatever personality may be) are characterised by functionality in the context of social norms.

There was a time when homosexuality was considered a mental illness. In the late 80's, or early 90's that was revised (DSM IIIR) to homosexuality only being a mental illness if you didn't want to be gay. How the muppets responsible for that revision couldn't see that not wanting to be gay might just be a function of a poorly society, I struggle to fathom.

Will definitions of personality disorders change over time as social norms do?

Okay, back to functionality - personality disorders are characterised in the above definition as being consistent throughout behaviour and across time. Also, dysfuntion has to be debilitating to the person, not just irritating to other posters on a forum. How relevant are psychiatric diagnoses in this context, other than a form of name calling?

It's so often said on these forums that you can't really know someone, make friends, or fall in love over the Internet. Even if any of us were qualified, how could it be remotely possible to diagnose a personality disorder within the same context?

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

Who's the Dame?

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

Behind you...?

RE: "Defensive narcissist"

No, I'm not.

RE: What makes you CLICK...

Getting up off knees.

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

Yeah, perhaps LJ is right. This is for all the citizens of the US.

Unless they have pu**y, of course.

RE: misogynistic comments...

36C...? scold

Have you got some kind of Fibonaci sequence thing going on there, Mike?

You know, whatever numbers you calculate you come up with the Golden Curve? laugh

RE: misogynistic comments...

Thanks Riz, you shouldn't have gone to all that trouble.

You really shouldn't have. laugh

RE: misogynistic comments...

I can't open that link, Non. I'm using my primitive phone.

This so should have been a picture thread. laugh

RE: misogynistic comments...

K2...???

Whose K1?

I'm so gonna b*tch slap her surgeon.

PS. I thought Chris Bonington was lost forever after falling down a crevasse. I've been holding a memorial service for him every year.

RE: misogynistic comments...

Mike, my Biggles in shining beer goggles, you seem to have lost you touch when it comes to estimating boobage. laugh

RE: misogynistic comments...

Oh goody, do I get a pack of 12 Durex Gold on a red ribbon to hang round my neck? yay

RE: misogynistic comments...

A white bra...?

That would be camouflaged on me, you cunning old fox. laugh

As for my size, ask Dedo, or Non. laugh

RE: misogynistic comments...

When you fly over my house on your way to St. Athen, Mike, do a couple of loop the loops drawing a pair of knockers with your contrails so I know it's you.

RE: misogynistic comments...

Call me vain Non, but I'm really hoping your mind's eye was destroyed by the image of Dedo in my undies, not me without them. laugh

RE: What a great speech: I don 't represent the world, I represent America

Would this be an opportune moment to point out that I don't recall Riz ever claiming to be a professor.

I don't think I'm the only one who remembers you claiming to have been a professor at an English University, though. English, I think was your stated subject, but you never did specify the area of your research.

Sorry LJ, I didn't mean to interrupt. Carry on with what you were saying about credibility.

PS. How's the lamborghini?

RE: No good deed goes unpunished

Have you any idea how much it rains in South Wales, Mike? laugh

RE: misogynistic comments...

Tallly-ho, chocks away! super

RE: No good deed goes unpunished

If you are indebted to someone they have some level of power of you.

Unless you shoot them.

RE: misogynistic comments...

Don't you call me on me 'Princess', you brute. scold

The correct way to address me is 'Countess'.

PS. pics of me are winging their way to your mailbox as we speak. Sorry there's none of me in my undies - Dedo's wearing them.

RE: misogynistic comments...

Oh, I feel such a poor wee, powerless little thing getting all this male attention. shimmy

(Even if Mike hasn't got further than my ample jumper lumps and Non hasn't got that far.)

RE: misogynistic comments...

You're only saying that because I'm a woman, you beast. snooty

RE: misogynistic comments...

You make some good points, Pasta, about discriminatory behaviour, but what I'm hearing from you is that you draw the line somewhere.

I'm still not clear where you draw that line.

I think Nonsmoker made a nice point about confronting things you view as discriminatory, as and when you see them. Only then does it become clear where you think the line should be drawn and why.

If you would prefer a more abstract discussion on the subject, then it maybe requires more precise and definitive language to describe the issues you wish to tackle. Maybe some fictitious examples might help. dunno

RE: misogynistic comments...

I've been here for years and I don't know who John is. confused

I'm not sure what you're objecting to either, Pasta.

Is it the banter, or when some men have a strop about how awful we women are?

Either way, we can all choose what to read and respond to.

And sometimes this place can be a good medium for personal growth, so maybe at times we might be patient for a bit before we judge, or challenge harshly. dunno

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