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RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

cool it will be like last yr

the culmination of a 'loving spirit' into one relgiously designed commercial weekend has never been my cuppa.


but dont worry folks!!!!!

James Bond is making a come back!

Quantum Solice

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

I'm finding it more and more appauling what people defend Trish ... I totally understand the support of people; but, christ in a wheel chair, defending what amounts to genocide with god icing ... well ... I guess I was clear about that.

RE: Physical attraction

probably snake charmers

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

and catholics are "left wing" christians ... you're coming across some of the right wingers here.



I'm sorry too, but craming a made up religious god complete with a made up savior and leading people toward the death of 2/3 of Isreal all to be called THE children of THE one god... that is a pox... in fact I can think of a much stronger term to describe it.

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We're Ignoring You- sort of ....

yes still ...

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stfu

RE: God vs. Science, REALlITY CHECK

does your toilet flush the same way that ours does

We're Ignoring You- sort of ....

them voices in your headphones again huh?

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

read the posts you tried to bury. and don't put words in my mouth, I dont care where you get them from.

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

So, what heck was King James up to? Anyone know what sort of power play was going on aside from a split off from the original archetects in the catholic church, or was it?

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He

We're Ignoring You- sort of ....

ooooooooooooooh, iron ..

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

christianity is built on the Roman Catholic Christ ....





information isn't unfriendly, just people who want to play victims to it.

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RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

The total number of "prominent" characters in the bible you have to "have faith" in existing, is 1,082 ... absolutely no proof exists for any of them. Yet we have proof of dinosaurs millions of years before

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RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

They have a right to their beliefs but let anyone challenge them and the whining comes sure and quick.

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Well Josephus was Jewish General before he became Roman. He knew war, he knew negotiating, and he surely knew where the money and opulence was. Coercsion is possible but me thinks an army general in a position to negotiate has no illusions about being coerced.

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take vitamins , you'll be fine

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

nice act .. bury the peice I posted so no one else sees it and then pretend it aint there and pretend the bible doesnt even suggest the jewish nation being slaughtered..


there's slight of hand


and


there's slight of stupidity

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

Josephus's inclusion in this travesty is no small part. Josephus was a jew, who led the Jews in their fight against the Romans, long after the so called christ was already dead and risen (yaya BS) . He as leader, however, made a deal to stop the war on conditons provided by the the Roman Empire.

All through history, the stories and parables that began in Sumar were stolen, or adopted by the Empire that ruled that time. However before Rome used the stories, all other Empires used saviors that were national, the Persians used persian saviors and gods, the Egyptians used Egyptian saviours and gods ... but , when we get to the Romans, they used a Jewish saviour

Not so confusing really, the Romans could careless what nationality the savior was, they knew it was BS from the start anyway. So, enter Josephus, a jew, who takes a Roman name after being the leader of the Jewish forces, is given liberal funds to edit the bible, change the names within the faerie tale, to reflect jewish names and make some promises that will happen for the jews many many years later, promising that the jews will get their place in heaven, yada yada. Odd they would do that and then make it the property of the Roman Catholic Church, governing body of the jewish faery tale Not odd really , power mongers will do that as long as they keep the power, you can have any dreams and fantasies you want.

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

spread the crap, who cares if 340,000 people die, it isnt you holding the gun, you just gave them the bullets and told them how swell it will be to be "annointed" after all those people die in that sick twisted christian agenda written out for you to spew from the bible...

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RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

grade nine physics ...

you did go to school didnt you?

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

Should anything happen to remove Israel from the Middle East during the lifetimes of these people, then the expected Great Tribulation will have to be postponed, probably for centuries, until another State of Israel is established. The appearance of the State of Israel in 1948 would then turn out to have been an eschatologically irrelevant political event.

Should Israel ever be "pushed into the sea," these people will have to face what the rest of us began facing early in life: the prospect of our statistically inescapable physical death.... This belief in death-free living is the rarely stated psychological motivation behind American fundamentalism's unwavering support of the State of Israel.

... the Church Age will end with the Rapture of living saints into heaven. The millennial age, which will be marked by Christ's bodily presence, will not be a church age, but will be a restored Davidic kingdom. It will even involve the restoration of the Temple sacrifices – as memorials, however, not as redemptive sacrifices. As Scofield writes in one of his notes, "Doubtless these offerings will be memorial, looking back to the cross. . . ." (Scofield Reference Bible, p. 890n).

TIMING THE GREAT ESCAPE

According to Scofield's note to I Corinthians 15:52, the first resurrection of the dead will accompany the death-free translation of living Christians into their eternal condition. He writes:

The "first resurrection," that "unto life," will occur at the second coming of Christ (I Cor. 15. 23), the saints of the O.T. and church ages meeting Him in the air. . . . The bodies of living believers will, at the same time, be instantly changed (I Cor. 15. 52–53; Phil. 3. 20–21). This "change" of the living, and the resurrection of the dead in Christ, is called "the redemption of the body" (Rom. 8. 23; Eph. 1. 13, 14).

The crucial question is this: When will this event take place? It will take place before the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which will last three and a half years. In his note to Revelation 7:14, Scofield writes regarding the duration of the Great Tribulation, . . .

The great tribulation is immediately followed by the return of Christ in glory, and all the events associated therewith (

But how long before the 42-month Great Tribulation begins will the invisible second coming take place, the one that allows Christians to avoid death and the grave? Exactly 42 months. This is because this coming dispensation, according to dispensationalists, is the fulfillment of the prophecy of the seventieth week of Daniel (Dan. 9:24), a week of seven years. Scofield's note says:

When the Church-age will end, and the seventieth week begin, is nowhere revealed. Its duration can be but seven years. (

Ever since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, fundamentalists have lost their reticence in dating the end of the Church Age. They have rejoiced in the presumably fast-approaching fulfillment of Bible prophecy during which, in Scofield's words, "the people of God who will have returned to Palestine in unbelief." Why such rejoicing? Because, if a Christian can make it to the day, exactly three and a half years before this fulfillment takes place, he will not suffer death.

This is why fundamentalists send money to Jewish organizations that bring Russian Jews to the State of Israel. They want to speed up the process. One of these programs, "On Wings of Eagles," is sponsored by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein's International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. In 2002, he joined with Ralph Reed, the former political technician for Pat Robertson's grass-roots political training organization, Christian Coalition, to create Stand for Israel. Reed today is Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party.

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Next and this is creepy;



"BETTER THEM THAN US!"

What is rarely discussed publicly by Jews or fundamentalists is the fundamentalists' view of the looming cost to Israelis for their return to Palestine. Fundamentalists believe that the Great Tribulation will wipe out two-thirds of the Jews in Israel. Hence, to encourage their return to the State of Israel is to encourage their destruction.

John Walvoord, who died in 2002, served for three decades as the president of Dallas Theological Seminary, the largest and best-known dispensational seminary (founded, 1924). He was the author of numerous books, both academic and popular, on dispensational prophecy. He taught Hal Lindsey, who attended Dallas Seminary. Here is his assessment of the future of Israelis.

The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah's prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah. (John F. Walvoord, Israel in Prophecy [Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1988], p. 108.

Nothing will be done by Christians to save Israel's Jews from this disaster, for all of the Christians will have been removed from this world three and a half years prior to the beginning of this 42-month period of tribulation. The only Christians present at that time will be recent converts to the faith, who had been left behind as non-believers at the time of the Rapture.

Therefore, in order for most of today's Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement's political support for the State of Israel.

It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were removed militarily from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians' imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture.

Every time you hear the phrase, "Jesus is coming back soon," you should mentally add, "and two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will be dead in `soon plus 84 months.'" Fundamentalists really do believe that they probably will not die physically, but to secure this faith prophetically, they must accept the doctrine of an inevitable future holocaust....

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Here it is! Next 3 Posts


the right wing christian agenda - Pushing the fear to its conclusion, christians willing to sacrifice murder 2/3 of the jewish nation and say "oh well" just so they can pretend to be the "annointed ones"

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