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RE: Say Something ... Blah ...

shake well ... please note the eat by, date

RE: Say Something ... Blah ...

dates and thyme ... mmmmmmmm

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

ingrained stuff? geeez, we can just will that away

RE: Say Something ... Blah ...

ola bambino a' la cour, Kind am Herzen


mixing my languages

RE: Men over 40 looking for 18 year old girls???????

stay soft and Quilty

RE: Say Something ... Blah ...

the minkees is out in full force I see.

RE: Men over 40 looking for 18 year old girls???????

you're very Quilty ...

whats the charge for that, for say ... Eric ...

RE: Say Something ... Blah ...

oh, ummm ... hi!

RE: Men over 40 looking for 18 year old girls???????

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

We're not so differrent in the philisophical sense

We know when we're angry, we know when we're happy, and we know when we fall in ove, I don't think a dictionary is required to describe it. We know it and however persoanlly coloured, it is generally universal. So much so that we can recognize in other when THEY have fallin in anger and love etc.

What is personal is the "reasons" for us falling in anger, falling in love, falling in anything. The thing that angers me may not anger you and the things that anger you may not anger me, but "anger" is the constant that we recognize.

Again I accept the "possibility" but I wouldn't give an inch on "probability". The brain knows mimickery, it will recognize it as such and disillusion you in no time flat.

I think you can willfully change the criteria one sets for atractions, not easily either, but you cannot change the falling in love part, because any change to the natural affect of falling in love will show up as a mimicked love and your core mental functions will keep reminding you its not love at all that you'd be falling in, its you trying to fool yourself and deny any natural influences and still trying to mimick falling in love

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RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

I think naturally falling in love may, I repeat may have some pitfalls, not nearly as many as willing oneself to fall in love.

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

do you imagine me a deaf person?

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

I'd like to see someone do this in practice..

My point is that even if you think you can (and you can surely think you can) will love, if you cannot stay in love despite all the external interventions of the other person affecting you, (even things that annoy you or cause conflict) then you have not really willed love; but some abhoration of mimickery. Delusionary pitfalls.

RE: Essential traits of the woman I want to wake by my side

I woked up !!



and what a loaf I got

RE: i am believer in destiny

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

except that its more about who 'we' are as humans. I think we can make changes in who we are as individuals and as humans, but those changes are slow and attentive journies, almost therapy like if you will, generally speaking.

To change how we recognize love as being there or not there, (without some intervention of the intended mind you).... I dont think so. Altering that recognition with willpower, also alters the recognition. Your are now recognizing love as something else, something other than real love, maybe its willed love, love that defies every core sense of love you've ever know ..... The mind won't deal with being fooled easily (for most people :laugh)

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

I agree with the attraction aspect, love is an externally reflected event. I just don't think that an applied change in will power is enough or probable in the effect of love.

I assume Jeff means love for an extended period rather a minute or so because even I could talk myself into love for that long and get out just as quick.

The OP is asking is...can you use willpower alone to fall in love or exit from love. To overcome your natural course of action in core reaction... , I'm saying if real love is present, you surely can but will power is not needed in that case, its already present because of our core senses toward love. Its already recognized and internalized as love.
While I think we can defintiely internalize anything, I dont think we can internalize false love and still recognize it as real love. Delusion might well allow it, but reality bites

The Op precludes 'attraction', it precludes any other external stimulii that would change the question and thats what some folks are doing here. Really if you were in love with someone and they peeed on the floormats of your brand new 2009 Camaro, could will power be enough to affect your still loving that person. I think it is more likely that, anger, surprise, forgiveness or understanding or a slap in the head etc. would come into play long before willpower had its say. Willpower is as much a function of what we have experienced as what we want. Past experience shapes our will, Changing what has already become will is not so easy, because it is ingrained core system functions, based on recognition of love, or anger, or smiles, whathaveyou.

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

I was implying core system functions such as anger, joy, love, disgust, peace etc etc ...the experience of life itself. Our reactions are at our core, ingrained, unchangeble parts of life. I am not sure any amount of will power can change that save death or absence of stimulii.


I dont think we control the experience of them, just the attendant affects.

RE: i am believer in destiny

thats great news ! glad to hear it.

Time for me to hop in bed as well, without slow fruits though


see you soon?

RE: i am believer in destiny

you wouldn't beleive the things he doesn't hide



how is this one today?

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

saying and doing .... and adjusting behaviors is one thing, adjusting core system fucntions is quite another.


when someone angers you, you feel anger, yes. When some impresses you, you feel impressed. There is no changing that. Yes we can alter our perception of events in order to perceive them differently in the future with less ego response; but, not only does the immediate and intrinsic reaction remain, no matter how we respond; the fact that you couldn't change the anger you experienced is evidential to my point.

RE: i am believer in destiny

swell ! ... for love .. in my pants would be



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RE: i am believer in destiny

it's plutonic my loves



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RE: i am believer in destiny

Al's heimers

RE: i am believer in destiny

I seriously want to fishkiss you, I think we are sole mates

ROTFLMAO

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

not sure where you're at here .. love isn't a value is it? I mean if it's a value then it becomes egocentric. Egocentric love... I guess applying 'will' to love would be egocentric in any event.

RE: i am believer in destiny

we're too busy singin ...

RE: The Limits of Free Will: Can one will oneself in and out of love?

I for one am surprised with the seemingly cavalier suggestions that we can change such a fundemental and intrinsic element of our pysche.

I don't discount the possibility mind you; but, the probability factor when measured and compared to human ability to change even cursory social behaviors for the better becomes a long and arduous task, it seems to me that changing a core system function would be an even more difficult wall to scale.

I guess the OP does ask if we think we can; but thinking and doing are at opposite ends of the spectrum, perception or otherwise.

RE: i am believer in destiny

Life is a cheese grater and I'm a tasty block of Clotted Cream .... eeeek...


The Monkeys - I'm a Believer


I thought love was only true in fairy tales
Meant for someone else but not for me.
Love was out to get me
Thats the way it seemed.
Disappointment haunted all my dreams.

Then I saw her face, now Im a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
Im in love, Im a believer!
I couldnt leave her if I tried.

I thought love was more or less a given thing,
Seems the more I gave the less I got.
Whats the use in tryin?
All you get is pain.
When I needed sunshine I got rain.

Then I saw her face, now Im a believer
Not a trace of doubt in my mind.
Im in love, Im a believer!
I couldnt leave her if I tried.

RE: Say Something ... Blah ...

ummm errrrr, ya the Beach Boy wrote a great tune there ...


I thought everyone would recognize that,

I guess I'm older than I thought




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