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RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

how about 2 ft ?

RE: Would you vote for someone that claimed, to be in dialogue with God through his hairdryer

electromechanical devices emit energy that carries certain particulate matter known as nerbualistc conferonums. These little rascals are even signed by god. You can see the sig. on them if you look close enough.

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

my joy stick was taken away from me


I won't even get on roller coasters. Men make those things you know

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

nope I am not agnostic either. I am, if there must be a label closer to, say a realist, working with proveable information to draw conclusions.

I am actually, as a matter of label, closer to Tony's arena. I am just unwilling to take that quantum ride on the starship enterprise just yet

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

ok............................................ so,























I'm not an Athiest then!

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

drive careful now

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

I'm not an atheist ... ...so you're wrong and or misinterpreting my words ... my belief is that mayhem and murder for control is intolerable, I dont care what 'belief' one uses to justify it. There is right and wrong in this world.

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

Belief is synonymous with faith, so I'd have to agree, relatively little else is required aside from what your mind or thoughts cling to.

You could believe you were ruler of the universe, but most beliefs; because they generally involve "trust" in thing or person or circumstance, require some reality feedback (even if that reality is unreal ie santa was real when we were young; but rutst in our parents made that universe real)

Main Entry: be·lief
Pronunciation: \b?-'lef\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English beleave, probably alteration of Old English geleafa, from ge-, associative prefix + leafa; akin to Old English ly¯fan — more at believe
Date: 12th century
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed ; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

.. no way ... Actually I do recall you two kibutzing one time.

RE: If i could .... I would ..

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

oh then you might want to have an audience with "Stressfree" here ... He's kind of RastaNebulan

alter-dimensional, quantum leap sort of movement.

RE: Believe in God and Jesus but don't believe in religion? What are we?

it sounds like your mind is open to possibilites and that's a good place to start when it comes to gods.

RE: Euphemistic Hatred

done having a little childish tantrum yet or going for more sympathy votes.

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

Should anything happen to remove Israel from the Middle East during the lifetimes of these people, then the expected Great Tribulation will have to be postponed, probably for centuries, until another State of Israel is established. The appearance of the State of Israel in 1948 would then turn out to have been an eschatologically irrelevant political event.

Should Israel ever be "pushed into the sea," these people will have to face what the rest of us began facing early in life: the prospect of our statistically inescapable physical death.... This belief in death-free living is the rarely stated psychological motivation behind American fundamentalism's unwavering support of the State of Israel.

... the Church Age will end with the Rapture of living saints into heaven. The millennial age, which will be marked by Christ's bodily presence, will not be a church age, but will be a restored Davidic kingdom. It will even involve the restoration of the Temple sacrifices – as memorials, however, not as redemptive sacrifices. As Scofield writes in one of his notes, "Doubtless these offerings will be memorial, looking back to the cross. . . ." (Scofield Reference Bible, p. 890n).

TIMING THE GREAT ESCAPE

According to Scofield's note to I Corinthians 15:52, the first resurrection of the dead will accompany the death-free translation of living Christians into their eternal condition. He writes:

The "first resurrection," that "unto life," will occur at the second coming of Christ (I Cor. 15. 23), the saints of the O.T. and church ages meeting Him in the air. . . . The bodies of living believers will, at the same time, be instantly changed (I Cor. 15. 52–53; Phil. 3. 20–21). This "change" of the living, and the resurrection of the dead in Christ, is called "the redemption of the body" (Rom. 8. 23; Eph. 1. 13, 14).

The crucial question is this: When will this event take place? It will take place before the beginning of the Great Tribulation, which will last three and a half years. In his note to Revelation 7:14, Scofield writes regarding the duration of the Great Tribulation, . . .

The great tribulation is immediately followed by the return of Christ in glory, and all the events associated therewith (

But how long before the 42-month Great Tribulation begins will the invisible second coming take place, the one that allows Christians to avoid death and the grave? Exactly 42 months. This is because this coming dispensation, according to dispensationalists, is the fulfillment of the prophecy of the seventieth week of Daniel (Dan. 9:24), a week of seven years. Scofield's note says:

When the Church-age will end, and the seventieth week begin, is nowhere revealed. Its duration can be but seven years. (

Ever since the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, fundamentalists have lost their reticence in dating the end of the Church Age. They have rejoiced in the presumably fast-approaching fulfillment of Bible prophecy during which, in Scofield's words, "the people of God who will have returned to Palestine in unbelief." Why such rejoicing? Because, if a Christian can make it to the day, exactly three and a half years before this fulfillment takes place, he will not suffer death.

This is why fundamentalists send money to Jewish organizations that bring Russian Jews to the State of Israel. They want to speed up the process. One of these programs, "On Wings of Eagles," is sponsored by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein's International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. In 2002, he joined with Ralph Reed, the former political technician for Pat Robertson's grass-roots political training organization, Christian Coalition, to create Stand for Israel. Reed today is Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party.

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

Next and this is creepy;



"BETTER THEM THAN US!"

What is rarely discussed publicly by Jews or fundamentalists is the fundamentalists' view of the looming cost to Israelis for their return to Palestine. Fundamentalists believe that the Great Tribulation will wipe out two-thirds of the Jews in Israel. Hence, to encourage their return to the State of Israel is to encourage their destruction.

John Walvoord, who died in 2002, served for three decades as the president of Dallas Theological Seminary, the largest and best-known dispensational seminary (founded, 1924). He was the author of numerous books, both academic and popular, on dispensational prophecy. He taught Hal Lindsey, who attended Dallas Seminary. Here is his assessment of the future of Israelis.

The purge of Israel in their time of trouble is described by Zechariah in these words: "And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith Jehovah, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part into the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried" (Zechariah 13:8, 9). According to Zechariah's prophecy, two thirds of the children of Israel in the land will perish, but the one third that are left will be refined and be awaiting the deliverance of God at the second coming of Christ which is described in the next chapter of Zechariah. (John F. Walvoord, Israel in Prophecy [Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1988], p. 108.

Nothing will be done by Christians to save Israel's Jews from this disaster, for all of the Christians will have been removed from this world three and a half years prior to the beginning of this 42-month period of tribulation. The only Christians present at that time will be recent converts to the faith, who had been left behind as non-believers at the time of the Rapture.

Therefore, in order for most of today's Christians to escape physical death, two-thirds of the Jews in Israel must perish, soon. This is the grim prophetic trade-off that fundamentalists rarely discuss publicly, but which is the central motivation in the movement's political support for the State of Israel.

It should be clear why they believe that Israel must be defended at all costs by the West. If Israel were removed militarily from history prior to the Rapture, then the strongest case for Christians' imminent escape from death would have to be abandoned. This would mean the indefinite delay of the Rapture. The fundamentalist movement thrives on the doctrine of the imminent Rapture, not the indefinitely postponed Rapture.

Every time you hear the phrase, "Jesus is coming back soon," you should mentally add, "and two-thirds of the Jews of Israel will be dead in `soon plus 84 months.'" Fundamentalists really do believe that they probably will not die physically, but to secure this faith prophetically, they must accept the doctrine of an inevitable future holocaust....

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

truth. descriptive truth.

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

try to follow the posts mike, thats not what I said> the posts are in chronilogical order, reading them independantly without their referenced posts will lead you to assume wrongly.

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

and ... what should pop up, but a victim thread

RE: Euphemistic Hatred

Say .... Nothing, ... STF Up Thread

someone fishing without bait

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

information is neither positive nor negative .. the assumption and desire to "colour" my posts as either is entirely yours and that desire is no doubt prejudiced.


read the bold type and practice what you are trying to enforce on others

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

(personalized christian censorship ... go for it.

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

so there, stay stupid people


posting your own knowledge proves the evil of your own messege ..


yep stupid is the way to go people

RE: The Secret

transcendental warpidation...


not much of a secret if everyone knows You can do all those things with mind set, no need to spend all that money for something that isn't a secret. and you can do it withut make believe christs yada yada ... BUT you can't do it without ..........

















HellBoy! and his trusty sidekick The Lone Ranga!!

Say .... Nothing, ... STF Up Thread

we are the knights who say ...Ni !

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

Normally I credit you with circular logic; but, in this case you have successfully proven circular stupidity can still arrive at the same illogical stupid point. I knew you had it in you. Congrats.


did the corinthians invent the word puffs

RE: The Bible, just PARTof why I believe…

Intelligence without the intel.


gee, facts, information and truth, the anathema of religious indoctrination,


you wanna stay away from that information and truth stuff.

Lesson 1 -In becoming a christian- Don't let others belittle your choice of christianity, its faith , not truth. Avoid any truthful information, coming from intelligent people. If you have questions, see your pastor first so as to avoid having to deal with the nasty truth and facts of it.

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

Weasel words/phrases-

is an informal term for words that are ambiguous and not supported by facts. They are typically used to create an illusion of clear, direct communication.Weasel words are usually expressed with deliberate imprecision with the intention to mislead the listeners or readers into believing statements for which sources are not readily available. Tactics that are used include:

vague generalizations
use of the passive voice
non sequitur statements
use of grammatical devices such as qualifiers and the subjunctive mood
use of euphemisms

RE: The Stuff Your Church Never Tells You About...........

The problem with poorly constructed (not even circumstancial) evidence is that it can used to prove a multitude of FAKE BEINGS




Gooooo HellBoy!!!!