i would suppose it to be over...As much as i wish it not... i cannot accept someone who says they love me and i'am to believe without doubt that is true... and then to turn to me and say i donot believe in you...
it was the last thing i would ever wish for... but the first thing i would do if something as simple as belief in me was not present... had i ever given evidence that i would or had lied in the past i could see the ditrust.
But to offer so much and expect one to accept it... then say you cannot accept the same in return... doesn't work.
Conrad said it best i do believe... and so many others had excellent points in my opinion... it only seemed i was in disagreement in one article and it spun out of proportion and desroyed any chance of reconciliation.
So i guess that is where it sits with me... i shall not back down from my word... and if my word is meanigless then it never was true to the heart.
i have never had any shame in my honesty and expressing my feelings sometimes i even went into the TMI zone... but i have never deceived anyone and if misunderstandings arose i did not waiver from my honesty even in a heated moment... on CS or in real life...
So noe i propose the question back to you... If Yourself and half the people you know around you knew from personal evidence your feelings and thoughts where true... And you presented them to the one you offered all... even your souls to become one some day... And that one person out of the (many).... returned to you that they had no faith in you or belief you had any real feelings towards them...
No misconceptions... i loved with all i could give, and tried so hard to not give disillusion it was fake or non exsistant. I meant no injustice in my original post... i never wanted to hurt her even though my pain was great. I only was seeking some opinions on a very viable question...
I myself have heard many things from other CS members that should have placed me mistrusting her.. but always put them aside for my love for her was real and founded.
I worried about doubt, i struggled with patients, I Tried(key word "tried") not to speak at times when doubts arose ... i would have done anything to try and keep it together... because i love from the heart as truly as from the mouth...
It was my dream, my desire... and i was lead to see it was returned in fold...
But i cannot help a jealous nature which is unfounded... i cannot make or convince one to see in me what they wish not to see...
As much as it hurts and as much as i shall miss so many wonderful thoughts and heartfelt moments.
I cannot and will not back down from my principal of honesty... i can compromise many things if i know faith and trust(key ingredients of honesty to give or accept) are there. But when they have been brought forth as not present...
Time,Love,Patients,Humor and the U.S.P.S will not place them where they never lived.
sorry but my thread (READ THE ORIGINAL POST) pointed at noone. I was blaming noone... and felt anything less than truth was unfixable...
My thread does not point to blame... but a post or two from another most defenitely pointed it that direction...
And as to making me feel nothing... my my... thats a whole lot of hurt for nothing.
Allowing myself to love another so deep and strong just to have them tell me my words have been all lies... its funny how as I posted all my joy happiness love and dreams... it was all fine and dandy.
i have hidden nothing from her or anyone who would joy in my posts of my love...
i was not putting the blame on noone.... you brought out into the light your feelings about my underlying points...
And have no idea why I raised the question in the first place...
And again it was not to point out (thank you for doing that) it was an attempt to get a question asked and answered so that i could show it was just not my opinion.
And i hate losing the very kind of love i thought i had and wanted to hold on to... so attack...NO
belittle ..NO but to try and show some evidence of truth... YES.
i have always thought about truth and honesty... even as a child i was tuaght how the two will make a success from nothing or lack of a failure of everything.
Even my marriage was held successfully for 12 years and even though my wife did not have much to say in compliments ...she was freely honest and open about her complaints... i never hated her for them nor did i hold them against her.
But in the end (after she left) she has had very few honest moments and i have watched her life spiral down to nothing...
i do believe in the end the only truth one really knows is that of thier own...
Hence my question... if we know in our hearts we have told no lie to another... Should we accept ,they do not believe a word that was said...nor have faith in us... Should we feel like a love still abounds in thier heart?
I know your intentions are noble to try to help me see love is of great value...
I have no disagreements with that My Love is not handed out so easily with a mate.... but i do so freely with friends.
i speak on a different love not one for your neighbor... but one for the ONE who would be by your side always.
patients is not a strong point for me... but niether is distrust.. i trust in other without problems and give my trust openly.... but when those whom i offer this to will say to me they do not have it for me...
My heart... My love ... no matter how Great is meaningless to that person in my eyes. and when my heart sees no faith and trust and only feelings of being viewed as a deciever...
hypothetically if that will be accepted...
I find myself believing the love i thought was there never was.And if i believe something to be true; and find another truth oppisite to that how should i view it any other way?
And if what others say to damage me in the eyes of one who would claim love to me... works out to be more believeable than my honesty then the choice has been made and i have no control over the decision... nor was i ever considered.
Isn't it funny... the one thing everybody wants. Is not always what they can accept?
just another thought.
could one person ask another to believe in them if they could not return the offer?
Love is a very strong emotion... and would make people do many things they normaly would not do.
But when love becomes more prevailent than truth or faith is it really Love if the three are not all in one bundle... without either of the two can you really have love for another?
it was not intended to be an attack... Just a straight forward question... and opinions from others if it would be acceptable to conceive what i do not believe.
I have always felt those who know will judge at times and call me down... But will do so honestly and because it need to be done...
I have always been an open book and have always answered every question posted to me ..openly and honestly. It has not always been good. Sometimes even volitale but even in my disagreements with others ... i never say or do anything deceitful... I say what i think,feel or know as truth to me... and if im wrong i do not care to back up and apologise... it is the honest thing to do.
Thank You for expressing what your view of me is... Eric
I have always Kept that quote in me.. "To thine ownself be true"has been said by me time and time again.
I have been accused of many things in my life... Whether it be something to prida about or something of great shame... i have always faced the truth and admitted my participation in it...
My mother even has stories she tells people about my youth and how i would tell her exactly what i had done before she ever heard it from anyone else.
My Ex wife has called me many things... and hates me with a passion... But the one thing she has never called me was a liar in all of our battles over the children...
i have been in many misunderstandings here on CS... but i have always been honest and said what was the truth... I would think I have earned respect for that...
I know i should probably not even started the thread...BUT i have before...This is just a repeat of one from months ago... i thought it to be a viable Question.
And it was not me who brought it out as a personal attack....
Agreed doubts are understandable... fear,caution,patients, whatever you wish to catagorize it.
all understandable ... we all have them and work threw them WITH honesty
But if the doubt is in everything about the person and no trust at all is given... then what do you have.
i know we give so much trust to individuals and they earn or lose our trust by thier actions,words
But when its not given at all ... that is my question if you have no trust in someone why would you say you do and then with no reason of wrong doing say to them after a while i never trusted you or had faith in you.
If there is no trust or belief in a person... HOW could you ever love them or even say you do?
But when someone tells you they love you and would even marry you... Do you not think they trust you.
I have never given anyone here a reason to think i have lied to them.If i was ever questioned i told the truth... and many people on here know that about me... no matter what it is i will be honest about it
and yes i asked directly "do you think I have not been honest? do you believe i love you, do you believe me to be faitful and not do things with others against you? is there anything i have said you believe?"
And was told "NO"
Then without hesitation i said the most painful words i have had to say to this person. If you have no evidence against me and you believe nothing i say how could i be expected to continue this???
RE: The say something nice thread
DID SOMEONE SAY HIJACK>>>>>>>. come we got us a convoy yeeehaaaahello all...
Hope everyone finds joy and happiness in the New Year...