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RE: Do u care what others expect from u ?

ChesneyChrist: “Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you - everyone expects this from everyone and civilisation is this reciprocal relationship far more than it is its paintings and architecture. But of course you're free to do whatever you want bunkered down in a sordid little giref hole. Nobody expects anything from a loser.”


Go read some plain psychology books.
- U will learn, that u r accusing me of ur habits, as they r definitely not mine !!!
- U try out indoctrination on most people, and it totally pisses u off that it does not work on me, so u try other too obvious tricks.
- Lol ur very funny !


Slow down, Snookie! NOWHERE, in what Chesney said, do "I" see HIM accusing YOU, of ANYTHING! Now, it's TRUE I have NO IDEA what water has passed under the bridge, between you and he. But there's NOTHING in THAT message for YOU to be getting/being "defensive" about. And, IF it IS you, that he's referring to, with his "loser" comment, then WHY buy into HIS "perspective/comment"? Try to NOT be drawn in, by someone ELSE'S rhetoric! Defend yourself - CERTAINLY! But jump WILLINGLY into the mud, to roll around WITH them, - NO! I don't think that's the BEST plan!

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

First I'm NOT "blaming" you for ANYTHING, other than your ATTITUDE! And your attitude affects NOT ONLY you, but ME, and EVERY OTHER person who, MUST, perforce, SHARE your "habitat" WITH you! So YOU, and YOUR "ATTITUDE", affects EVERYBODY who lives on this planet! You've never heard the parable about the beat of a butterflies wings, changing the world? Anybody that can THINK BEYOND their own PERSONAL biases will understand THAT! But YOU obviously DON'T! It's hard for me to believe that ANYBODY, so SELF-CENTERED, and EGOCENTRIC, could STILL exist, in today's "world"!? But live, and learn! You've taught me SOMETHING! Mankind has NOT progressed as far as I had thought!

And, not to pour water on your parade, but I DON'T think that Dee was SYMPATHIZING with YOUR point of view! Care to wade in, on THAT, Dee? Can we hear from the peanut gallery?

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

First I'm NOT "blaming" you for ANYTHING, other than your ATTITUDE! And your attitude affects NOT ONLY you, but ME, and EVERY OTHER person who, MUST, perforce, SHARE your "habitat" WITH you! So YOU, and YOUR "ATTITUDE", affects EVERYBODY who lives on this planet! You've never heard the parable about the beat of a butterflies wings, changing the world? Anybody that can THINK BEYOND their own PERSONAL biases will understand THAT! But YOU obviously DON'T! It's hard for me to believe that ANYBODY, so SELF-CENTERED, and EGOCENTRIC, could STILL exist, in today's "world"!? But live, and learn! You've taught me SOMETHING!

And, not to pour water on your parade, but I DON'T think that Dee was SYMPATHIZING with YOUR point of view! Care to wade in, on THAT, Dee? Can we hear from the peanut gallery?

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

If your OBJECT is "self-protection", TRUE! I'll agree!

But if your OBJECT is to LIVE/TASTE LIFE, I'm sorry, but THAT is BAD advice! If you shut yourself up in a safe, but IMPENETRABLE place, the chances that you ARE going to find "pleasure", or "the ONE", are NIL!

So what YOU have to decide, is "WHAT do YOU WANT, out of life??????"

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

If your OBJECT is "self-protection", TRUE! I'll agree!

But if your OBJECT is to LIVE/TASTE LIFE, I'm sorry, but THAT is BAD advice! If you shut yourself up in a safe, but IMPENETRABLE place, the chances that you ARE going to find "pleasure", or "the ONE", are NIL!

So what YOU have to decide, is "WHAT do YOU WANT, out of life??????"

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

All you're saying is that you're like MOST people, Maya. You tend to egocentricity. When you're hurt, you have TROUBLE stepping OUTSIDE/BEYOND that hurt - YOUR hurt - to "see" anything else. Typically human. TOTALLY comprehensible.

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

Hi

Didn't know Einstein made such a comment! But I have a T-shirt image that says it THIS way

"Life is like riding a bicycle! If you don't wanna crash and burn, you gotta KEEP PEDDLING!"

When you get knocked down, if you DON'T get up, and dust yourself off, you're going to be wallowing in the "dirt", FOREVER!

RE: Are you afraid of being hurt again?

Blatttttt! Wrong AGAIN, mt friend! I NEVER, ABSOLUTELY NEVER "beg/plead/cry" or anything SIMILAR to ANY of those things, with/to ANYBODY! FOR/ABOUT ANYTHING! Never have. DOUBT that I ever will.

And I'm NOT advising you to "settle" for less!

You have NO ability to "SEE" beyond your OWN "thoughts/opinions/prejudices". And your "idea" that "being" STRONG, entails closing yourself off from the world, and those that inhabit it, around you, just RE-ENFORCES "MY" belief that

#1. You're a SAD individual.
#2. You have NO CONCEPT of what "strength" REALLY entails.
#3. The FACT that there are SO MANY LIKE you, saddens me, beyond measure. Not only do YOU lose! But "I" lose, BECAUSE OF your attitude! MY life becomes LESS than it COULD be!

And, as far as "fast forwarding" to my last day, since I'm MORE than a decade YOUR senior, I think that YOU ought to TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE! You'll SURELY not believe this, but I'll wager ANYTHING you like, that "I" have MORE, and MORE VARIED "life experience", than you! As well as a more WELL ADJUSTED "outlook" on/to life! But you're welcome to be HOWEVER you want/wish to be. You're welcome to ALL the misery you like! just DON'T ask ME to join you!

RE: Astrology

Okay. I can EASILY accept that Geminis "feel" BOTH the pleasure, AND the pain. But, the "thing", about Geminis, UNLIKE most of the REST of us, is that THEY "LIKE" BOTH the pleasure, AND the pain! They may SAY they don't! But, from MY observations, Geminis "LIKE" ANYTHING, that "stimulates" them! Geminis will wallow in their pain, just like they will, their pleasure, for AS LONG as it "suits" them!

RE: Astrology

Being a Libra, I've had MORE than MY share, of Geminis. I wouldn't say I've been "done over" by one. But I HAVE had an ABNORMALLY LONG opportunity to observe and analyse them. And had a LOT of "personal" interaction with them. Actually, "I" LIKE Geminis! Life with a Gemini is NEVER "dull"! Plus, they're quick witted, AND intelligent! A "magnet", for a Libra! My LONGEST "liaison", was with a Gemini! But, just BECAUSE I like them, don't THINK that I turn a "blind eye" to either the pleasures, or the pains, of dealing with one!

RE: …Do women want to be judged on their looks?

WAIT JUST A MINUTE, Dee! WHO said that women's "looks" BOTHERED men? Certainly, I'll agree than a man WILL find one woman MORE "attractive", than some OTHER woman! And a DIFFERENT man MAY find the second woman MORE "attractive". EVERY person, male OR female, have THEIR particular "bias". But just because "I" DON'T find a particular woman "ATTRACTIVE" (to ME) DOESN'T mean her appearance "BOTHERS" me! I can't say that I'ne EVER found a woman's appearance "bothersome". Now, if a woman wears TOO MUCH make up (so that you "see" the make up, and NOT the woman) then "I" find THAT UNattractive! But it DOESN'T "bother" me, in any way!

But "I" AGREE - that an attractive person, that DOESN'T "know" how attractive they are, IS more attractive, than an identical person who IS "AWARE" of how attractive they are!

RE: Astrology

Alright. I'll accept that you "mature" to actually BECOME sensitive ti the contributions that others, in your life. That you CAN/DO "love/appreciate" that having others IN your life, makes it more "interesting/entertaining" to/for you!

RE: Astrology

Hi Serene

Did I say ANYWHERE that Geminis DON'T get "bored"? In fact, it's their "inquisitiveness" and "intellectual 'QUICKNESS'" that are MOST responsible, for THAT trait! They get to the "bottom/essence" of something MUCH MORE quickly, than ALMOST everybody else. So, while OTHERS are still trying to get a good "look" at something, Geminis are DONE! And ready for the NEXT thing!

And Geminis are "gregarious" - MORE - for the "stimulation" others provide them, than they are, because of "love/attachment" to/for the people around them! And YES! They CAN make people feel "good"! But they can ALSO make people feel VERY "bad/angry"! And I'll agree that a Gemini CAN "hide" their "feelings"! But MY contention is that they RARELY are concerned, ENOUGH, to DO so! And, while people DO tend to "see: Geminis as TWO DIFFERENT people, in ONE body, "I" don't! "I" see two OPPOSITE EXTREMES of ONE personality, in Geminis! Geminis AREN'T "happy" people, AND "sad" people. They're people that tend to "go off the deep end", with WHATEVER emotion they're feeling, at a particular "moment". That's probably a TOO "subtle" distinction, for most! But it IS there!

I'm sorry if YOU see some DISagreement, between your statements, and mine. But "I" don't!

RE: Astrology

In general, MOST Librans DON'T (consider themselves MORE, OR less, intelligent, than ANYBODY else)! The "thing:" that sets Librans (especially, but ALL air signs) apart, is their ALMOST UNIVERSAL "interest" in, and "curiosity" about, "things". Air signs delve into MORE "topics" than the other signs. It MAY be due to an ACQUIRED "ability", more than to genetic "curiosity. I haven't figured THAT one out, yet. But I'm THINKING about it!

RE: Do not feel uncomfortable to declare ur IQ ?

Okay. Fine. You have TWO degrees! But in WHAT? Manure shoveling? And obfuscation?

RE: Do not feel uncomfortable to declare ur IQ ?

Only YOU, Dee!

RE: Astrology

I'm sorry, but I searched this site. And I can't figure out where or how to input any info, and get any output. Now, I KNOW I'm not particularly technically "savvy". So could you provide a little more "how to" details? Thanks.

RE: Once Upon a Time

Once upon a time


In a time
BEFORE time
Before history
Before ANYTHING

In a place
FAR from ANYWHERE
There sat an old magician
Contemplating eternity

Now
Contemplating eternity
Takes a LOOONNG time

So
EVENTUALLY
The old magician became bored
with all his contemplating

And so he stopped contemplating
And started looking around
And
As far as he could see
For miles and miles
All around him
There was nothing
And nobody

And the old magician started thinking about THAT
And he decided that it would be nice
If there was
Something he could do
Somewhere he could go
Somebody he could talk to

So
Being a magian
He decide he would create hinself
A place that he could go
A place where there would be something for him to do
A place where he could find somebody to talk to

He waved his magic wand
He pronounced his incantations
And
Out of the nothingness all around him
A Faerieland was formed

And
IN this Faerieland
Were ALL the creatures that exist
There were opposums
And mighty whales
Bigger than ANY whales
Today
And chipmunks
And trees
And dragonflies
And all sorts of beings

But there was one VERY special being
This neing
WASN'T like ANY other being

This being
Was self aware

And
Being self aware
He KNEW he was different
From every other being

He ate
And slept
And reproduced
And EVERYTHING
That every other being did

But
In his geart
He KNEW that he was
DIFFERENT

He didn't know HOW he was different
But he just felt
In his heart
And in his bones
And in his gallblader
HE
Was different

And
While he was thinking about it
He heard a voice

Now
He had NEVER heard a voice
Before
So he JUMPED

He looked west
He looked east
He looked north
He looked south
He looked up
He looked down
He looked ALL AROUND

But he COULDN'T "see" ANYBODY

And THAT
Sorta CONFUSED him

So he sat down
To think about this voice

But
Having never heard a voice before
He couldn't make any sense out of it

He scratched his ear
He put his chin on his knuckles
He flicked the ant off his knee
And he pondered

WHAT was that loud noise
In his head
That none of the OTHER beings heard

At least
He didn't THINk they heard
None of THEM had jumped

So he looked around
Again
Just checking
No
None of the other beings seemed disturbed

THEN
He heard it AGAIN
Well
MAYBE
Sorta
Kinda
He THOUGHT he heard it

But he wasn't sure

But THIS time
He thought he UNDERSTOOD it
It said

BEHOLD
I
Am the old magician
And I'd like to talk to you

The being looked ALL around
He couldn't see anybody
Anywhere

And none of the other beings seem to have heard anythng

The deer were grazing in the glade
The squirels were gathering acorns
The trees were swaying in the breeze
The flies were buzzing
The ant was crawling up his leg again

Everything seemed
Cool
Calm
Collected
EXCEPT
Him

He stood up
He looked at the ground
Where he had been sitting
Nothing
He looked up
Just tree limbs and leaves
He caught a movement out of the corner of his eye
He looked
Just a butterfly
And three honey bees


Alright. I'm DONE, for tonight. If you'd like to hear the REST of the story, tell me. Or YOU pick it up, and add YOUR part, to OUR story! Are there any STORY TELLERS, still alive, and loose, out there, in the FREE world?

RE: What is your priority, when it comes to finding a partner?

Hi

Thanks, Contessa

I find what you say VERY interesting! This is EXACTLY what "I" want! This is EXACTLY what I was trying to promote, with/in MY threads.

I KNOW I'm a man! And I know "I" don't "see" the "world" through the same "lens" as women. But, if I'm EVER going to get a DECENT "handle" on women, I need to UNDERSTAND how and why women "see" THEIR world! And you description is EXACTLY that. I'd never THOUGHt along those lines! Now I will! Thanks, again.

ButI DO have one question! Are there ANY girls (over the age over 20) that HAVEN'T had their "fantasies" crushed, at LEAST once?

RE: What is your priority, when it comes to finding a partner?

I'm sorry, but I've been thinking about what I've said, on this thread.And I just "feel" that there's one thing that I HAVEN'T addressed. And I'd appreciate reading OTHER'S "take", on THIS thing.

I, PERSONALLY, have had one CONSISTENT "problem", with EVERY women, I've EVER been in a relationship with. And a woman I WASN'T in a relationship with, once made a comment that took me a LONG time, to "understand". And I'm NOT SURE "I" understand, even now. And I THINK it has SOME bearing on MY "problem", with women.

This girl was embroiled in a "conflict" with HER boyfriend. And we were talking. And she made THIS statement. "I want to be needed!" "I" had made the assertion that she WANTED to be "loved". and THAT was HER response.

To ME, this made NO sense! In a "love" relationship, it seemed (to ME), that LOVE would/should be the PRIMARY "desire". But this girl was ADAMANT! Of the two, IF she could only have ONE, SHE wanted to be needed!

This challenged MY WHOLE concept/understanding, of "Love". To ME, "love" was something GIVEN! Shared. Love WASN'T something that could be owned/possessed. And, to ME, being "needed" implied some "control" over love, and the loved one. The concept that one could DEMAND "Love", was ALIEN to ANY idea, of love, "I" had ever conceived of.

When "I" loved someone, I WANTED to be with them. That person WOULDN'T "NEED" me to "need" them! And "I" had NO DESIRE to "control/possess" them. I WANTED them, to be sure! But I wanted them to DO/BE WHO they were. Not who "I" wanted them to be. It was BECAUSE OF "who" they were, that "I" had fallen in love with them, in the first place! WHY would "I" want to CHANGE that? I just COULDN'T "understand" ANY "reason", that might make this girl FEEL this way.

But, after LONG thought, I came to THIS conclusion. I DON'T agree with it. It CERTAINLY doesn't apply, to ME! And I'm NOT sure I'm right, about this But it's the ONLY thing I can come up with, that SORTA makes "sense".

What this girl was saying, was that, in FACT, SHE wanted some control, over HER relationship! She DIDN'T "see" the relationship as OUR relationship! Which is WHY I couldn't understand it. "I" had always conceived of "love" as COMMUNITY property! I mean , it WAS "my" love! But I GAVE it to my girl, and we SHARED it, TOGETHER! The idea that "I" wouldn't/shouldn't give/share it was (and IS) completely ALIEN, to MY concept of love. But THIS girl wanted to RETAIN some "control" over HERS! Hence, her DESIRE to be "needed"!

And the ONLY reason that "I" could come up with, that might make her FEEL this way, was that she was INSECURE in/about her relationship. But I've encountered somewhat similar "feelings" with/from ALL the women I've been with. EVERY woman I've EVER been with, has, in one way or another, basically said that "I" WASN'T "jealous/possessive" enough! Which "I" take to mean that they had SOME desire to be "owned" by me! (NOT a good word, I KNOW, ladies. But I can't figure out a BETTER way, to say it! So YOU explain it to me!?) In a cockamamie way, this gives them SOME "control" over their "destiny" And the ONLY reason that THAT makes sense (to ME), is that women have some idea that IF "I" possess them, then , BECAUSE they're "mine", I'll keep them. Which leads me back to "insecurity".

So, the REASON I came back to say this, is that, as a man, if you WANT your woman to BE happy, you NEED to figure SOME way, to help HER believe that you NEED her! Doing so, provides a woman with a sense that SHE is IMPORTANT, in/to the relationship. And that, therefore, she can FEEL secure/confident, in the relationship. That you're NOT going to end up walking away. And I sorta have the "feeling" that EVERY woman has this one little "insecurity", nagging away, in the back of her mind! And, IF you have the desire to BE "a great lover", to/for your woman, YOU need to deal with THIS issue, FOR her!

So tell me, girls, am I COMPLETELY "off base"?

RE: Have u ever been jealous ?

I agree. It IS a symptom of "insecurity". Jealousy is a "possessiveness". An "attempt/desire" to own/control another person. If you're "secure", in and of "yourself", you have NO NEED to possess/control another. You possess/control your "self"! And THAT is enough. Actually, mORE than most people!

RE: Have u ever been jealous ?

I think a BETTER question would be, "When is jealousy good?"

RE: It's official: Men are more vain than women

Thanks, Dee! But "I" MEANT every word! Now can we go out and get drunk?

RE: It's official: Men are more vain than women

I would LIKE to commend you, Molly! Well presented! And "realistic"! BUT, I get the IMPRESSION that you "think" EVERYBODY "seeks" to "improve" upon their appearance! I'll ADMIT that it's rare! But NOT ALL seek to "enhance" their appearance! SOME seek to MINIMIZE their "appeal"! Sycophants and social climbers CAN have that effect/affect on people. I WON'T say how/why "I" know that. You're just gonna havta TRUST ME, on this one!

RE: …Do women want to be judged on their looks?

I DIDN'T "say" that you said that I/you/we have "no control" over "our" actions, Dee! I "SAID" you IMPLIED that I/you/we have "NO CONTROL" over our "judgments"! Which, if you ask a psychologist to interpret your statement, they will AGREE that the "IMPLICATION" IS implicit IN your statement!

As I've said (MANY times), few people REALLY "know/understand" WHAT they're "saying", when/as they SAY it! You need to be a STUDENT of "language", to really "appreciate" that statement. Most people speak, WITHOUT "thinking" about what they're "saying". They're in TOO BIG of a "hurry" to get THEIR "point" across/on the table! (And "I" am JUST as "guilty" as everybody else.)

Just thought I ought to "clarify" what you THINK "I" said. Luv ya!

RE: …Do women want to be judged on their looks?

jac_the_gripper: “Can we agree that you want to be judged by your narrow minded, arrogant, misogynistic thread?

Whether you want to be, or not, you are going to be.

What's that? Your thread isn't the whole of you? There's more to you than just your thread? There's a complex, intelligent, feeling human being behind this thread?

So, you're just trying to get a discussion going; you're trying to interact, learn, grow, make friends maybe?

You want us to see the real you behind your thread...but how are you going to do that without creating more posts, or threads by which you'll be judged?

Certainly, no one's going to know you even exist if you just sit there at home and read the forums.

You've got to play the game with the rules made up by someone else if you want opportunity, interaction, learning, growth, a relationship, friendship...whatever it is you're here for.

And when you do the right thing, the socially acceptable thing of grasping opportunity rather than sit at home accepting nothingness, you'll be judged for it.

Do I want to be judged by my looks?”


...My threads are created to discuss subjects and if you are a snow flake, then you can always ignore my threads, because you clearly have trouble accepting the truth and are attempting shaming tacticsrolling on the floor laughing

Dear Lee, I MUST say that I'm MORE in sympathy with Jac's "argument", than yours! And your "snow flake" comment only CONTRIBUTES to that fact. YOUR version of the "truth" is just THAT! YOUR version! And THAT DOESN'T make it "FACT/TRUTH"! As you assert!

But Jac, I DISAGREE with something YOU said, too. You say "You've got to play the game with rules made up by someone else . . ."! Blatt! No! Wrong! You DON'T have to "play" ANY "game" by ANYBODY'S "rules"! The "THING" IS, you've got to WILLING to "pay the price", of/for "playing" by YOUR OWN "rules"! IF you WANT to "play a/the game". #1. You CAN choose NOT to "play the/their game"! #2. You CAN "play", but you ALWAYS have the "option" to "make up" ANY "rules" you wish! Which puts the burden of CONTINUING the "game", squarely on the OTHER person's "shoulders"! IF you decide to "make up" your OWN "rules", you MUST be "prepared" for the "possibility" that the OTHER person MIGHT choose to STOP "playing", with YOU! So you have a "VALUE" JUDGMENT to make, BEFORE you "change" the "rules".

Personally, "I" SELDOM acceed to somebody else's "rules". I see NO REASON that MY "rules" aren't JUST AS "VALID", as yours/theirs! So "I" follow any "rules" "I" deem acceptable/appropriate, to the "game/situation". And, IF the other person decides THEY don't wanna "play by MY 'rules'", so be it! I'm PREPARED to accept that decision! But then, "I" don't CONCERN "myself" with ANYBODY'S "judgment" of me. Other than MY judgment, of myself. You're welcome to think/say ANYTHING about me. As long a "I" don't have ANY "problems" falling asleep, when "I" lay my head on my pillow, at night, I DON'T "CARE" WHAT "YOU" think! Of ME! But then, I've NEVER "pandered" to "public" opinion. I'm USED to "walking" my OWN path. Alone, or together, it DOESN'T "MATTER", to me! As long as "I" FEEL I'm being "true", to MY "self"! I'm NOT saying that I DON'T "enjoy" company! I DO! But I'm WILLING to "go it alone", IF I must! But my "SELF" is my PRIMARY concern! I DON'T think MY "path" is an "easy" one. Or that MOST people are 'READY/WILLING/ABLE" to walk such a "path". But, just because it's "hard", I DON'T "SEE" THAT, as SUFFICIENT "reason" for NOT walking it!

So "I" DISAGREE with your assertion that I "MUST" play the "game" according to "roles made up by someone else"!

Just MY "thoughts", about what you said. NOT "important", to anyone OTHER THAN "me".

RE: …Do women want to be judged on their looks?

Hi Dee!

I DO agree that EVERYONE DOES "judge". (That goes WITHOUT saying! It's basic "human nature"! A SURVIVAL "trait".) AND that one's 'choice" to "act" upon those judgments, IS within the person's control!

But I have SOME reservations about your "IMPLICATION" that we have NO "control" over our judgments! I'll AGREE that, for MOST of us, our "judgments" are pretty much "subconscious/automatic". But it IS possible to exercise "control" over your judgments. And it's the "WISE" person, that does this.

But there are "prerequisites" for doing so.

#1. FIRST, you have to RECOGNIZE that you ARE making a judgments, about whatever it is!
#2. Once you RECOGNIZE that your judgment IS, in fact, a "judgment", you need to EXAMINE that judgment, to "see" what it's based on/foundation is.
#3. THEN, you have to "see/judge" IF the basis of your judgment IS, in the case at hand, VALID!
#4. Once you've determined if the BASIS of your judgment IS valid (or NOT), you can THEN "decide" (consciously), whether to ACCEPT "THAT" judgment! Or to reconsider your judgment!

THIS is the basis of WISE "thought/thinking". "Knee jerk" judgments are one of the BIGGEST problems, creating MANY of the OTHER problems, in/of the world, today.

Just MY opinion. You're welcome to accept, or refuse, it, as you will/desire.

RE: …Do women want to be judged on their looks?

You WOULD introduce THIS topic! Boy, am "I" gonna get some "flack", for THIS one!

#1. NOBODY, men OR women, WANTS to be "judged" by their looks! They WANT to be judged ON/FOR their "worth".

#2. We ALL "like" our "looks" to be "appreciated". For SEVERAL reasons. Not the least of which is because of the "Entree" our appearance can/does provide!

#3. Women spend "fortunes" (and MEN are starting to) on their appearances. Yes. And, at the bottom of this activity (IF you think about it, in psychological terms), is MOSTLY (but NOT solely) a degree of "insecurity". People try to ARTIFICIALLY "enhance/improve" their appearance, as a means of securing to/for themselves MORE "acceptance/approval/influence/etc". And THIS indicates that, bottom line, they're NOT "satisfied/happy" with their PRESENT "level", of these "things". They want/need MORE! Which, to ANY psychiatrist, indicates a level/degree of "insecurity". With/about their PRESENT "situation".

#4. A TRULY "beautiful" woman (or man), someone who is "beautiful" (on the INSIDE, as well as on the outside), has NO "NEED" of "make up". I'm NOT saying that they WON'T/DON'T use any. The use of make up is an ACCEPTED "norm", these days. And so, the use of it is a COMMON practice. And, as such, will be made use of, by any/all who may wish to. But you CAN use the AMOUNT of make up used, as an "indicator" of the "degree" of a person's "insecurity".

I COULD go into more "depth", on this subject. But I doubt that most of you are REALLY interested. I might add THIS, though.

Lee (your "Charming"ness is a SUBJECTIVE matter), your use of the term "they" implies that YOU have a "bias/agenda", in introducing THIS topic! The use of the ubiquitous "they/them" are NOTORIOUS "pejoratives"! YOU are "separating" women, from the general "group" of "people". Such "separation" is USUALLY preparation for some sort of "persecution" of the separated group.

As far as YOUR "concept" that "women" ARE "lying" about their NOT wishing to be judged on/.by their looks, is the statement of a person that HASN'T thought their "position" though, well/carefully! Yes. Women DO compete with other women, for the "attention" of men. But THAT has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your "assertion" that women are "lying" about not wanting to be judged by/for their appearance! You're obfuscating, with such an "argument".

Make up PROBABLY WAS "invented" by women. But THAT just means that THEY are MORE perceptive/inventive, as well as MORE "devious", than men are! And has NO bearing on a woman's "desire" to be "judged" on/by her "looks". And, as far as "attractive" women "getting away with anything", THAT only happens IF the men they're getting away with things WITH, are "EASILY" influenced! Basically, SUPERFICIAL men. Are you INCLUDING "YOU", amongst THAT group?

All in all, Lee, your "arguments" are somewhat "specious", So I WON'T "admit" YOUR premise!

RE: Your experience or opinion......

If you "fall out of", to MY way of "thinking", it WASN'T REALLY "Love", in the first place! And, to ME, "Love" isn't something you "share", although you CAN/DO "give" it. "I" (or YOU) are the ONE doing the "loving". Noe "WE" CAN "love" each other! The BEST, of all possible worlds! But we DO our "loving", individually!

RE: Why r people so Nosy ?

AHH! A connoisseur! Dee! Ya shoulda TOLD me! Only the BEST, for the BEST! Right!