RE: Tree huggers

Are you talking literally arms around the tree?

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

Admittedly I could be biased to see the first worlders and weak and decadent because I was that poor kid who nevertheless went to a good school. Always had the concern that remainer kids won't get a proper job and the benefit class won't get any job. Although I don't see the benefit class a free from suffering it's the type of suffering, eating so much that your foot rots away is not like climbing a mountain. It's not a triumph of the human spirit to suffer in this way where you self-harm to bring meaning to a meaningless life. To pick a fight with yourself and then lose it is the benefit class, to cry over nothing at all is the educated class.. but they're both going to get owned by the Chinese. Owned by people who can do things in the real world.. the failure of the sanctions against Russia should be taken as a massive wake up call for anybody in the west. What we bring to the world really is that worthless, all they have to do is call our bluff.

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

Anyway according to my theory the suffering of the world will increase for the next 35 years until such a time that the average 50 year old knows what really hard is. Then things will start to get better, then you'll have people who know what they're doing. It is when nobody can remember the pre 2008 world and all we've ever known is a life getting harder, then at last you'll have the people who can do things in the real world.

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

You can see that in Elon Musk the acknowledgement of just how little humanity understands about this new technology.

But we are up against Bill Gates and the old world of having to buy Microsoft's terrible products because they came by default. And the reason they came by default is because Microsoft is the government's secret police. Not because Microsoft is any good. And yet we all grew up with Microsoft for years and years the done thing was Microsoft and it was a scam, a decades long scam. And that was then. That was when technology was relatively simple and easy to understand and it still had 80% of the general public pants down.

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

The people born in the 1940s come at life like a people who survived cancer as youths.

Youth today is/was not at all prepared for pandemics and wars, recessions and bankruptcy and the horrors of an aging population attempting to do an industrial revolution where nobody knows what the hell they are doing it's so complex. To go from such privilege to the abyss of a new dark age that is industrially revolting against the concept of a society where people know what they're doing. What's happening now is far worse than lead poisoning, we'll fondly remember the days of lead poisoning once we all need new eyeballs and a finger transplant thanks to grandad's skynet. I have sympathy for the luddites in this new century where the educated may as well be a voodoo witch doctor. The educated are not rationally capable of comprehension of the world and how it works, no it's a secular moral education about trans where presumably the only intelligence will be artificial intelligence. And what do we then? Let the machine takeover or keep our backward and incompetent authorities who pretend to understand the things they know nothing about? Neither option is attractive but there will come serious thoughts of putting the machine in charge. There has to be something we could respect as a wise elder, some authority you can trust to know what it's talking about when no human being actually does. Today's authorities are just people walking into rooms and saying things, a great swizzle to provide work.

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

And for this reason those born in the 1940s were kings amongst men. Life's been very good to them but not the first ten years of that life and that held them in good stead to appreciate life. No expectations meet the new reality of a world moving into sunlit uplands.

Generation zergling are the opposite. To have been that spoilt up until about ten for a future that is nothing to shout about. To encounter everything fortunate about life early on but face a future where the opposite is the case. Great expectations meet the new reality of a dying western world.

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

I would not bank on the mercy of those who feel themselves to be unlucky. If you are a scumbag then you better hope that whoever deals with you regards themselves as being lucky.

The all important question is, do you feel lucky? But lucky is not quite the same thing as privilege, a person can be privileged their whole life and feel hard done by. And the opposite can be the case. To be treated alright can feel like Christmas to those who have beared the heaviest burdens.

RE: How does suffering make you a better person?

It's a double edged sword as just as a hard life can give endurance it can also have people murder those who never did a days work in their life, go hunting the untermensch woe to the bottom 20% of the gene pool.

RE: The best things in life are priceless...

Not for much longer they're not. We've been freeloading the air that we breathe for too long

RE: Bad Joke of the Day

Why do gypsies walk funny?

Because they have crystal balls

RE: stability in relationship

Somewhere that's green, away from all the drugs and the VD, away from the moral swamp of the city.


And did those feet in ancient time...

RE: s international men's day...a good or bad idea?

I don't know. For me all international days ironically remind me that we don't matter at all. None of them matter to anyone I know and yet there they are

RE: Oscar Pistorious (AGAIN!!)

And to be honest I'd stick an extra couple of years on for the fact you could feel sorry for him. People are going to make it easy for him as an ex-con murderer, the end of jail will be the end of the punishment which is not right so I'd give him more time in jail.

RE: Oscar Pistorious (AGAIN!!)

I don't feel sorry for him. The man is a murderer, not a cold blooded murderer, but a murderer all the same.

But I don't think much of a justice system that gives him 5 years, only to release him early, but then give him 6 years before later deciding that it's 15 years. Ideally he would have got 15 years from the start and considered himself lucky, and ideally he would have been honest from the start, too.

RE: International Day of Happiness.

And I got a haircut, to celebrate. The grass is always greener without a mess on your head

RE: What are your coffee preferences?

Personally I do afternoon tea, less caffeine and never any later than the afternoon. Coffee is one step down from drinking monster energy drinks which is anxiety in a can for the coming race of homunculus. You can keep your ADHD and your mutants, just give me 8 hours sleep a night.

RE: What are your coffee preferences?

It's not my cup of tea to be honest. And the average person is what? Overstimulated and not sleeping properly at night. I just think if caffeine was bad for us there'd be a conspiracy to disguise that it was. The fuel of our 24/7 economies to go with our video games and electric lights in a humanity that never sleeps. When they say that more artificial stimulation will be a positive I do not believe them.

RE: Thought...how it can be manipulated...

The way of the land, the spirit of the times. Everybody alive today has more in common with one another than any of us do with anybody from 1776. And this is because who we are, the way we think, is massively decided by time and place. The difference between any individual alive today is insignificant compared to the difference between 2023 and 1776.

RE: Paddy's day Friday

You do you but I don't see giving you free money and attention as the answer to your ancestors traumas. Globally st Patrick's day is the accidental communism of guilt-ridden whites and this gradually erodes everything salt of the earth about the Irish until you're doing gay marriage. The Irish nation's supreme level of unearned income.

RE: first date

Thoroughly average at the time, but feels strangely magical to look back on a Chicken McNuggets and fries

RE: Share What You Are Listening To -- Part 100

The Lightning Seeds. Pure

RE: Share What You Are Listening To -- Part 100

Roxy Music. Mother of pearl

RE: How gothic are you ? Within the basics.

I like Joy Division and that one Bauhaus song Bela Lugosi's Dead. Marilyn Manson sounds like Mummy and Daddy not buying you a PlayStation into a world where we have no sympathy for the poor and the downtrodden because celebrity millionaires are hoarding it all, stealing all the world's status as victim.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

Apologies for going on it just includes so much as to the reason why we can't all live as one. Even in a future that resembles science fiction.

Earth a nation could only arise by bringing new meaning to the term down to earth. The curious types move into space reaching up to an infinity that makes anybody living on earth relatively ordinary. All religions congeal into one, all conservatives one, in the face of these very scientific and curious space-dweller. The earth remains the traditional human being minus a certain curiosity. Genetics can be random, if your parents are conservative and incurious, it doesn't necessarily mean that you are. However, it probably does mean this. If the more curious and intelligent move into space people on earth will be more content to live an ordinary, predictable life. Those who remain on earth will be bred in a conservative direction a bit like Europe after America got started. For a long time Europe was very conservative and it's from diminished curiosity. The explorers they found themselves in America. But then again genetics is random, I think these selection processes set terms for a century or so before the randomness sets the tone again. Curiosity will re-emerge from the most unlikely of places. I mean at one time we were a single celled organism. The people who remain on earth will be down to earth in their personality. But their kids? A little less so, and so on and so on. It won't stay that way forever.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

And essentially our response to the pandemic was just being precious. A preciously high maintenance hypochondriac.

What I don't believe is that vaccines are here to kill people. And the people who say that actually want a system that goosesteps us into misery and bloodshed like the youth of Russia. Everything that seaworthy says is a projection of the murderous tyranny that would come to power if he had his way.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

And that informs my attitude to the pandemic. In lockdown I was with the conservatives, covid is nature throwing us a curveball in a blast from the past that demanded we do something that hasn't been done since before our lifetimes. I.e. grin and bear. The benefit to health from lockdown was imo so much less than the risk of shutting down civilisation to try and turn it back on again. The conservatives were quite right not to try and dodge the bullet in this blast from the past. Mother nature threw us a curveball and the classic option to dig deep was the least bad option we had at the time.

But I broke with the conservatives as they actively conspire to make world conditions as bad as possible to justify the coming of the lord and the charismatic strongman from the far-right. When life is unavoidably hard I think like a conservative, but when they try to make life hard by design I don't appreciate it. I know that life can be hard but that's not the same thing as looking for a hard life, wanting a hard life.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

Not to say that the conservatives don't believe the vaccine will make your head fall off. I'm sure many of them do. But the thinking behind the conservatives is what I'm talking about. The truth is not that mrna vaccines are so dangerous as to make them useless to anyone, the truth is that actual conservative society would have a better immune system in the face of covid. The conservative believes you should be able to naturally resist the hardship where the progressive is to believe you could have it so much better because of science. All true conservatism boils down to the capacity to endure, and the progressive is to say you don't need to endure there's an easier way.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

And I think this brushes into why there is so much opposition to covid vaccines from conservatives. Because an actual conservative population, like the one in Africa, will survive covid. Marry younger, die sooner, give birth sooner and covid is a non-issue.

The thing about covid is that it can only harm those who have never had it so good. The vaccines save the very people who owe their lives to progressive society. We think of the old as conservative, which they are sort of by comparison to more recent generations, but a population could not get old if it actually was conservative. Boomers are not conservative but are the most wildly radical deviation of a normal human being history has even seen.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

Although the technology that acts as the clincher could easily come this century. People stop dying or even if they do die, they don't pass on the next life, they are uploaded into a database. The act of conquering death, or at least the appearance of doing this, splits the species in two. Those who contend we must die younger, must have children, must live in accordance with the state of nature which is by comparison a life nasty, brutal and short. The hour of decision will come this century, what to do about an aging population? The scientists will make it so we can live forever in one form or other, make it so you can erase your own history your emotional scars epigenetically melted away. The scars of the past they don't apply anymore. But to conservatives that will look soulless and they'll go the traditional way, get people dying younger we need to get young again. Science can't animate a corpse forever, we must not cheat death.

Science is going to put two of our instincts at loggerheads. The anti-conservative will to stay alive and cheat death indefinitely if possible, and the traditionalism that recoils in horror at the unloved and the unnatural prospect of the same person living forever.

RE: ONE EARTH ONE NATION

Basically put you're looking at next century at the earliest. When the earth is one world amongst many then it will become like one country amongst many.

The law of evolution marches on and we mistakenly use the word devolution politically to describe what evolution actually does. The species diverges, the species proliferates becoming more diverse over time, so diverse that anybody who remains an earthling can see eye to eye. Not a utopia but to have countries on earth feels like splitting hairs in the face of the telepathic peoples orbiting Jupiter.

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