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Our definitions of true love and the power of true love

Thank you for your support! And yes that is so true! The talking of our old fears was truly liberating. We didn't do that before, and now we can do it without worrying about anything. I had fears, she had fears, yet we managed to go for so long due to some intuitive feeling to stay together, and perhaps keeping a sense of security. Nevertheless, we are only grateful for the true love we have now.

I also need to correct my last post. I meant that it was not true love in my past relationships. There was some love, and the true love I thought I felt was an undeveloped definition of love, perhaps even false.

Our definitions of true love and the power of true love

Hi there and great question! handshake

I've been living with my girlfriend for 2½ years now, so it took that long to truly align with it in our relationship. Everything was seemingly brought to the surface (fears from the past, mistrust and lack of intimacy) the past couple months with my woman. We had two major crises these past two months, and that has strengthened our bond and woke us up shall I say - we both learned about ourselves, about true love, about each other and what we truly really want.

I'm sure because it's a feeling and a knowing, and it's an incredible high attached with a sense of security. We've both told each other that we are meant to be and that we want to be together for the rest of our lives. We both have changed for the better after the two storms - we feel as one in heart, mind, body and spirit. All the things that brought pain to us, seemed to happen in such a way to foster growth for us - like it was mysteriously designed and we saw the signs eventually. We both want to make this work no matter what now, and we both have forgiven each other for things in the past - there is only now and now implies a powerful bliss and love in so many forms. Time will truly be the ultimate judge if this is true love, but my intuition tells me we are right where we need to be and that we can get through anything. We share love together, we are love - it's not an emotion and we know that now.

Now of course I've been in love before, a few times. However, I wasn't as mature back then, and when I was a bit more mature, the timing was not right and sacrifices were not made. So I can say it was true love, because it wasn't with my past lovers. There was love, yes, but not true love that penetrates time, space and matter :-)

Our definitions of true love and the power of true love

Perhaps the greatest pursuit that gives us the most meaning, that which is true love with a lifetime partner.

The real question is what definition of true love are we pursuing? And if we have never experienced true love, then how do we properly know exactly what it is that we are pursuing? I would think it’s fair to assume that if you experienced true love for a brief period or an extended period of time, and that it ended for good, then can we honestly say that we did indeed experience true love if we are to assume that true love is timeless and infinite?

True love is entirely subjective, and I'd love to hear your ideas and definitions of true love.

I'd also would love to hear about anyone experiencing the intoxication of true love if you have found true love. I've finally found it wine

RE: Have you found anybody "real" that you like on CS?

I've made plenty of friends from this sitewine

And our friendship has carried over to FBbeer

RE: what do you think about people having to travel to different countries to find love,and relationship

Follow your heart, be with the flow in the now. If a man or woman wishes to globetrott in pursuit of love, I think it's wonderful!

If a woman or man is unsure, then it means it's probably best to not meet that person. You are either sure or unsure - meaning with your heart or not with your heart.

RE: In which country are the most beautiful women found ?

The Pleiades have some of the most beautiful women.

The ugliest women can be found at bus stops in America.

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

Great posts Al, now this convo is going somewhere. I'm off to the gym in a while, plus I need to make some posts to my page to keep the fans happyangel2

I'll respond to your interesting thoughts later. In the meantime, I see that you have another visitor who made a recent post that may tie you up for a while.

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

The quote explained very coherently what resonates with me. It is an illusion, but that fact that it is a "program" does not mean that there is no free will - I don't get your chain of reasoning? How does an illusion take away from free will? That's part of the program, as Ra mentions.



Well, to me, the post means that if we don't want contact, there will be no contact. Also, it means that we are enslaved by the current world construct due to the free will of the global elites - which is centralization, control and other nefarious actions/schemes. Until we get them out of power, we are playing by their rules.



Paths - "This Logos has complete free will in determining the paths of intelligent energy which promote the lessons."

This means "current life" and the freedom to choose the trajectory within predetermined sets of circumstances. It is determined that we will encounter adversity, love, fear, hate, revolutions etc. It is in our free will to self-destruct, create harmony on this planet or keep being asleep, to awaken or to keep going on and on with the current construct and so on. Those are the deterministic parts of the program, but we have the free will to explore those parts in any way we wish. You see where I am coming from?

It's like you choose to go to a world where it's just a hockey game. It'll always be a hockey game with the same constants, but you have free will to give up, fight, b*tch at the coach etc...

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

That distortion being free will within a set of determined themes one will explore this lifetime. The timeline of the person is open to go in the direction that the free will allows, consciously and subconsciously. What ever direction it goes, the common themes will keep arising over and over again for as long as the free will allows.

It's stated very clear in the law of one and can be seen simply by using what you have observed and experienced via direct experience. That very limited study you keep spinning to suite your ambitious beliefs about determinism has no force behind them. The study simply shows that there is a biological and psychic function in this process (pressing buttons), something outside of the norm which seems to have you think that there is something supernatural going on.

Daryl Bem has shown some experiments of how we can perceive or feel the immediate future - an experiment that is not isolated from the study I posted and you posted. A certain region of the brain lights up before we make a decision. However, bear in mind that the brain is not fully understood, so there is a lot of room for error here. This process does not diminish the notion of free will, but rather, should open up more questions about it - as Dennett pointed out.

But...if we don't have free will, then you should at least give us your opinion on what is controlling us and in what direction and why?

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

That distortion being free will within a set of determined themes one will explore this lifetime. The timeline of the person is open to go in the direction that the free will allows, consciously and subconsciously. What ever direction it goes, the common themes will keep arising over and over again for as long as the free will allows.

It's stated very clear in the law of one and can be seen simply by using what you have observed and experienced via direct experience. That very limited study you keep spinning to suite your ambitious beliefs about determinism has no force behind them. The study simply shows that there is a biological and psychic function in this process (pressing buttons), something outside of the norm which seems to have you think that there is something supernatural going on.

Daryl Bem has shown some experiments of how we can perceive or feel the immediate future - an experiment that is not isolated from the study I posted and you posted. A certain region of the brain lights up before we make a decision. However, bear in mind that the brain is not fully understood, so there is a lot of room for error here. This process does not diminish the notion of free will, but rather, should open up more questions about it - as Dennett pointed out.

But...if we don't have free will, then you should at least give us your opinion on what is controlling us and in what direction and why?

RE: Where would you prefer to spend a week with your Lover?

In the Redwood forest up in Northern California.

Or Big Sur with Carmel being close by.

In Europe, I'd say Prague or somewhere in the Norwegian mountains.

RE: do u beleive in angels?

Doing that right now, thanks so muchwine

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

This explanation resonates and is very sensible - it aligns with the thinking of many mystic gurus as well as other metaphysical teachers out there, such as my Bashar video that I posted and the Law of One material. Also, it seems to fit right in with what I have experienced and observed. I too question the assumption of the questions themselves (like how BB views free will with conditions/assumptions)and do my best to accept the innate paradoxes in this discussion.

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

Questioner: My objective is primarily to discover more of the Law of One, and it would be very helpful to discover the techniques of healing. I am aware of your problem with respect to free will. Can you state the Law of One and the laws of healing to me?

Ra: One item which may be of interest is that a healer asking to learn must take the distortion understood as responsibility for that ask/receiving, thus healing. This is a honor/duty which must be carefully considered in free will before the asking.

Ra: You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of density. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose.

Questioner: Then although many entities are not consciously aware of it, what they really desire is to accelerate their growth, and it is their job to discover this while they are incarnate. Is it correct that they can accelerate their growth much more while in the third density than in between incarnations of this density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We shall attempt to speak upon this concept.

The Law of One has as one of its primal distortions the free will distortion, thus each entity is free to accept, reject, or ignore the mind/body/spirit complexes about it and ignore the creation itself.

Ra: I am Ra. As all, they follow the Law of One observing free will. Contact is made with those who call. Those then upon the planetary sphere act much as do you to disseminate the attitudes and philosophy of their particular understanding of the Law of One which is service to self. These become the elite. Through these, the attempt begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary entities are enslaved by their free will.

Questioner: In yesterday’s material you mentioned that the first distortion was the distortion of free will. Is there a sequence, a first, second, and third distortion of the Law of One?

Ra: I am Ra. Only up to a very short point. After this point, the many-ness of distortions are equal one to another. The first distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the second distortion known to you as Logos, the Creative Principle or Love. This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these three distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions, each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being more important than another.


Questioner: This seems to be a carefully planned or engineered stage of development. Can you tell me anything of the origin of this plan or its development?

Ra: I am Ra. We go back to previous information. Consider and remember the discussion of the Logos. With the primal distortion of free will, each galaxy developed its own Logos. This Logos has complete free will in determining the paths of intelligent energy which promote the lessons of each of the densities given the conditions of the planetary spheres and the sun bodies.

RE: do u beleive in angels?

Angels are never too distant to hear you. ~ Author Unknown

RE: Barbarians will put man to death because he is the wrong religion

Al Jazeera, not a whisper there.

What really sticks out is that the Humans Rights Watch and Amnesty International did not cover this story, they are the most objective in most cases - and well connected to news informants and embassies.

RE: Barbarians will put man to death because he is the wrong religion

I'm still not convinced since the evidence is just not there.

This story in not covered in the Spiegel Online International -

Any MSM source directing back the source of the story to Fox news does not make it true, considering the nature of how the media is controlled and manipulates in order to pursue an agenda. The quote by the Huffington Post cannot be verified by another other source. This story is really suspicious.

RE: Barbarians will put man to death because he is the wrong religion

Humans Rights Watch and Amnesty International did not report this incident, nor did any other major media outlet report this. Seems like a disinfo peace - beating the drum.

The source for the story are "sources close to the pastor and his legal team." IT has not been independently verified, so I'm skeptical about this story. People need to always question the news and their sources, instead of blindly accepting the bs that is put out there.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

Hey Dandelionwine Lovely to see ya again, it has been ages!

Thanks for contributing, sounds very sensible indeed. I believe the author of the book was asserting that men don't actually think about cheating to sustain or enhance the relationship, but rather, the relationship is sustained and enhanced by the cheating act itself.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

Ralph! What's going man!cheers




Is it such a healthy thing to control s*xual desires? Of course it is when one cheats and somebody is seriously hurt by this. What if we lived in a society that did not frown upon individuals having an occasional romantic encounter, and even considered it normal and healthy? The dominant view of romance and love would be drastically different, something akin to the Pagan approach as well as Ancient Greece's approach.

I believe there is a lot of material about controlling selfish desires out there, which encompasses infidelity or other odd s*xual fantasies. Religious books (Koran/Bible) are really good at promoting the idea of controlling s*xual desires by demonizing them!

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

Of course. Your post is in response to a statement I made (opinion), "My big question, is that I think men would have a harder time accepting the women having casual encounters, even if they were allowed to have casual encounters."

I should have said x amount of men or some men to clarify. My point was that if society embraced open relationships, I'd suspect that some men (as well as women)wouldn't be able to handle it due to the emotional nature involved. I would wager that some open relationships end up bad since one of the partners had a change of heart and only wanted a monogamous relationship. I did not intend to strictly narrow the discussion to these types of individuals. I do agree with your point, it should always go both ways if such relationships were part of the norm.



You got that right! There are some seriously kinky people/subcultures out there who like to do some very unusual things to fulfill their s*xual desires and even emotional desires. That is just their unique makeup, and they are critically judged by the accepted norms that society has created.



Good point and partially agreed. These men enter a relationship where they know the rules and agreements that everybody else follows. Unfortunately, they can't cope after a while - so they lie and cheat in order to feel in alignment with their natural sexuality. The infidelity statistics presents a clear picture - a lot of people cheat and the article I posted represents a parcel of truth behind this cheating. Of course we can't blame society for their behaviours, but we can blame society for setting up the rules and mining the minds of the people through social memes etc.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

I hear ya and understoodcheers Your reasoning is valid and I have no quarrels with it. I used to always cheat on all my girlfriends, but finally decided to not do that anymore a long time ago. So this guy's theory was something I could identify with.

What if we lived in a society where m**turbating was considered cheating? That sure would cause a lot of discomfort with many individualslaugh Actually, we sort of have that problem with porn - some women, generally speaking, really take it personal when they find out their partners watch a lot of porn behind their backs. Just a thought.

RE: The Illusion Of Free Will

Did you? Sorry, I missed it bro. What does the Law of One say about free will? wink teddybear grin

Use 'Free Will' as the search word in the Law of One and measure it against the mechanist view of free will. I know you highly value the Law of One, unless you've ditched that too?

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

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Thanks for sharing your opinions, I appreciate it. I've always been fascinated by polygamy (polygyny/polyandry) and my best friend's addictive nature to cheating on his wife. And yes, being in an open relationship is the best answer, but that is not easy to find. I'm not trying to justify cheating since one does have to abide by the rules or else pay the consequences when the agreement of trust is violated when caught. The main point here, is that these men who were not caught feel no guilt and were able to continue with their loving relationships in that manner. Loving being defined by their definitions. Again, I think it's wrong to cheat, but I also think that cultural society has limited the way people can be in relationships. I'm just trying to look at this as objectively as possible. I have no motivations to make a statement or change minds - I can handle it if nobody agrees with the book's assertion and some of my ideas.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

Well, you've answered your own question from your beliefs about love - perfectly fine. I believe the cheater is not out to hurt anyone since he is the one hurting inside due to the rules of a relationship created by modern society. Who is to say he does not truly love his partner, unless we force our definitions of love here. True love means different things for different people. Cheating, if one is not caught, has shown to sustain relationships, from this study and from my observations and experiences. Yes, it is wrong, but if the rules were different in our society, then the dishonesty would not be a factor if open relationships were accepted more in our society.


My big question, is that I think men would have a harder time accepting the women having casual encounters, even if they were allowed to have casual encounters. Just an opinion.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

Well, I meant that if the person adopted the ethical values of modern society. Who is to say it's empirical? I believe looking back in history, open relationships were not so frowned upon before the emergence of the Abrahamic religions

Lack of ethical values as being defined by modern society, a type of cultural engineering. Some people do better with one partner, others need another partner. Those that need another partner, suffer in the Western world due to the cultural rules of a relationship - something that bears no empirical nature to it. So these people that have a hard time just being with one person, suffer in this society - thus that could explain part of the reason why cheating happens so much.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

I feel that way too. However, some people don't hold the same views as you do. They see their casual encounters as diversified expression of love and don't subscribe to the same rules as modern society does - meaning they don't consider it cheating, disrespecting or lying, but rather, a way to broaden their experience of sexuality.

The best thing would to be in an open relationship so there is honesty and individual-s*xual liberty.

I actually know a woman who accepts the fact that her boyfriend has two other girlfriends. His reasoning was that if he was forced to just be with her and just have sex with her, the relationship would last. She accepted that since she loved him so much.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

Hey mbcasey!

Towards the end of April - play ball!

I agree with you there. It certainly can be controlled with maturity as well as respect to the partner and oneself - if such ethical values are positioned that way.

RE: Do you believe in Love at First Sight?

Lust at first sight. The lust turns into genuine love as respect, love, trust, support and understanding deepens as the relationship goes by. Also, love is known after a couple has managed every conceivable adversity.

How can you love a person you don't know upon first sight? To me, that's a myth. It's lust or some kind of connection from another lifetime.

Imagine all the people that believed in love at first sight, then ended their relationships in tragic ways - then they assert that it wasn't love, but rather, their weakness of being vulnerable and their fear of being alone.

Of course, those who do believe that it was love at first sight and ended up staying together for a lifetime, who is to tell them wrong - though I do strongly believe it was lust/connection at first sight - and that they managed their relationships like mature people.

According to a new controversial new book, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

"The Monogamy Gap, by Eric Anderson, is a controversial new book that does not seek to cure men of their cheating behaviour. Instead, the Monogamy Gap offers a far more radical idea:

Men cheat because they love.

A sociologist, Professor Eric Anderson brings forth the voices and emotions of men who cheat. Drawing on interviews with 120 straight and gay men, the book brings the startling reality that instead of men cheating because they do not love their partners, they cheat to satisfy their s*xual desires without desiring to disrupt their emotional relationship.

The Monogamy Gap explains how sex for one’s partner rapidly deceases after the initial, intense passion of an early relationship. However, men’s desires do not decrease; instead, the longer they are in a relationship the more they want sex with someone else. However, men still desire the cultural capital given to monogamous relationships and are therefore afraid (or unwilling) to discuss an open-s*xual relationship with their partners. They therefore find themselves living with competing emotional and s*xual desires – simultaneously wanting monogamy and recreational sex. Cheating presents itself as a rational choice for these men. Rather than breaking up a loving relationship for erotic sex, men use cheating as a way to keep their emotional relationships, while fulfilling their s*xual desires. In this sense, cheating (which normally goes undiscovered) retains the function of keeping monogamous couples together." ~


There is much truth to this theory. Some men don't want to leave their wives/girlfriends to just have casual sex with another woman because they love their partners too much, but they'll cheat in order to satisfy their s*xual desires and thus help them function better in their relationships since they don't have to suppress their love for casual sex with other women while being in a relationship.

About time some research was done on this. Bear in mind that love is a subjective definition to each individual. If a man cheats on his wife, that does not necessarily mean that he does not love his wife or thinks less of the relationship - he just wants to experience more diversity with his sexuality. And according to the controversial ideas, cheating is evidence of love and keeps couples together.

I've observed evidence of this through some friends of mine and through personal experience. I am not making a case for cheating since that violates trust, but I am saying that some guys are just different when it comes to how they view love in a society that does not accept open relationships. I am not judging this either way, just saying it is something I would not do but have done in the past.

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