"Ratajczak also looks at a factor that hasn't been widely discussed: human DNA contained in vaccines. That's right, human DNA. Ratajczak reports that about the same time vaccine makers took most thimerosal out of most vaccines (with the exception of flu shots which still widely contain thimerosal), they began making some vaccines using human tissue. Ratajczak says human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. She discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.
Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it to me: "Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."
"A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."
The curtain continues to come down. This whistle blower rocks! "Gwen Olsen spent fifteen years as a sales rep in the pharmaceutical industry working for health care giants including Johnson & Johnson, Syntex Labs, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Abbott Laboratories and Forest Laboratories."
Some participants still have not had a drink 40 years after the trials
For the past five years, Dr. Erika Dyck has been unearthing some intriguing facts related to a group of pioneering psychiatrists who worked in Saskatchewan, Canada in the '50s and '60s.
Among other things, the University of Alberta history of medicine professor has found records of the psychiatrists' research that indicate a single dose of the hallucinogenic drug LSD, provided in a clinical, nurturing environment, can be an effective treatment for alcoholism."
My point Conrad, why is this type of therapy demonized and not considered? Isn't that what the church does?
"Gwen blows the lid off Big Pharma's greed motivations and how taking the pharmaceutical route, be it for heart disease, cancer, mental health or other issues, can be a tragic decision. She is an advocate of people informing themselves about diet and lifestyle, and taking charge of their health, rather than becoming victims of a warped, dishonest drug business."
"Danny Panzella of Truthsquad.tv recently caught up with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny to learn the essentials from the world’s top doc for vaccine research." -
"We have been programmed by the medical community and the media to believe that everyone – children and adults -- will become sick, and likely die, unless they are vaccinated.
This explains why not vaccinating can be unfathomable to new parents who are unreasonably terrified of what were considered normal childhood illnesses only a few decades ago." ~ Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
One doctor speaking out against vaccines, is one too many as far as I am concerned. For every "official" report asserting there are no adverse associations between vaccines and sickness, there is a countering report claiming otherwise. And those countering reports are to understand a greater truth, not to make money and repress or manipulate studies that expose the pharma/vaccine industry. Something is critically wrong here. Enjoy....
"Barbara Loe Fisher, president of the National Vaccine Information Center, claims vaccines are responsible for the increasing numbers of children and adults who suffer from immune system and neurologic disorders, hyperactivity, learning disabilities, asthma, chronic fatigue syndrome, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and seizure disorders.
She calls for studies to monitor the long-term effects of mass vaccination; and she wants physicians to be absolutely sure these vaccines are safe and not harming people.
No one can deny the dangers of vaccines. The measles, mumps, rubella (German measles) and polio vaccines, all contain live but weakened viruses. Although health officials claim that polio has been wiped out in the U.S. since 1979, they often fail to mention that all recorded cases of polio since that time are actually caused by the polio vaccine.
Vaccine investigator Neil Z. Miller questions whether we still need the polio vaccine. Before mass vaccinations programs began fifty years ago, Miller insists we didn't have cancer in epidemic numbers, that autoimmune ailments were barely known, and childhood autism did not exist." - Alan Cantwell, MD
Oddly enough, most of these psychoactive plants are illegal---even to grow. Any guess to who was behind that push? Yep!
LSD research has shown to cure alcoholism, along with other benefits. The main idea with the cure, is achieving a shift in consciousness---something the pharma industry does not comprehend. Your friend, Susan Blackmore, said this - " prohibition, led by the USA, and followed by the rest of the world, effectively put a stop to all research on the positive effects of psychedelics." -
"This is just one small example, and everyone's stories are different, but again and again people report that through LSD they learned to know, and accept, themselves. This may be why LSD has such powerful therapeutic effects and can be so helpful for people facing terminal illness." -
Apparently a pill will be on the market to enhance moral behavior! Imagine that!
"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far, but it is now becoming a big debate."
Dr Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics, stated this. He also said "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."
This is not fact! Enough with the pills for every situation in life.
Expect the numbers to continue to grow. One is an accident, two is a coincidence, and three is a trend! Those numbers, as well as other numbers, are not a full indication due to the doctors who are afraid to speak out. And if we add in the rest of the world, the numbers grow!
Many movements, in fact, all of them, started out as a fringe minority. Then they grew, and the majority was not required to tip the scales---critical mass. The old paradigm is on its heels right now.
All religions are a cult with their sense of theological imperialism. That's may take on that and I know you have your take on that. Agree to disagree. Don't bother trying to change my mind or defending your church.
Anyways, I post links to back up my opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. Other people do it, and we discuss. Why do you feel like you are required to bow down? If my passion in this subject is not to your liking, change the way you look at it. I've provided a great body of diverse sources in this thread. If you don't like my message, fine. If you don't like the sources, fine. Address the core of the issue, rather than focusing on me. Pharma and the FDA are not doing their jobs properly, and people are dying and becoming sick from their medicine. The idea here, is to get a discussion out, passionate or civil, and get to the bottom of this.
Hmmm, interesting. I'll write to Natural News and tell them to get the date correct. That report must have came between 1871 and 1879---he served as a commissioner of the General Register Office in that span. We'll see if I get an answer back, and will report it. Not cool getting dates wrong if the article was manipulative.
You really believe everything and anything out there. Funny! Systematic propaganda to promote fear and panic---and to get people who don't own their own minds to get VACCINATED! WOO HOO!
This - The age-old struggle against vaccination: A rebuttal by Jennifer Craig, PhD; Suzanne Humphries, MD; and Sherri Tenpenny, DO. -http://www.naturalnews.com/031449_vaccination_myths.html#ixzz1J5SdQ7qR
"An 1888 report by Dr. William Farr, Compiler of Statistics of the Registrar General of London and the physician who is responsible for setting up the vital statistics we use today, stated the following: "Smallpox attained its maximum mortality after vaccination was introduced. The mean annual mortality per 10,000 population from 1850 to 1869 was at the rate of 2.04, whereas after compulsory vaccination in 1871, the death rate was 10.24. In 1872 the death rate was 8.33 and this was after the most laudable efforts to extend vaccination by legislative enactments."
Vital statistics and public records reveal a different story than the dogma of "clear evidence of benefit" propagated by the vaccinators. Mortality figures kept by Dr. Walter Hadwen in England from 1872 to 1921, including the vaccination rate per 100 births, show that as the vaccination rate went down, so did the death rate from smallpox. But Hadwen, like all who oppose vaccination, is accused by Poland and Jacobsen here and in their previous paper, of having "low cognitive complexity in thinking patterns and reasoning flaws." With those deficits, we wonder how Walter Hadwen, J.P., M.D., L.R.C.P., M.R.C.S., L.S.A., accumulated all those credentials."
From your link - "Smallpox spreads very easily from person to person. Symptoms are flu-like and include high fever, fatigue and headache and backache, followed by a rash with flat red sores.
The U.S. stopped routine smallpox vaccinations in 1972. Military and other high-risk groups continue to get the vaccine. The U.S. has increased its supply of the vaccine in recent years. The vaccine makes some people sick, so doctors save it for those at highest risk of disease." Again, you get sick, you heal. Big deal. Of course there is propaganda in there to cause public fear and make you go BUY THAT VACCINE!!! lol
"Some experts say that over the centuries it has killed more people than all other infectious diseases combined."
What experts? Where are their reports? Thought so. Nice try.
Again, I countered every post you made. You have your mind made up about this. There is no science in any of those reports. None. Vaccines just don't use thimerosal. That silly link only ADDRESSED thimerosal---and still did not prove anything in light of the dissident voices and research out there. I think you should be better educated on this subject.
Hey man, great teamwork in this thread! WINNING! Personally, I think Charlie Sheen is fine by me. He quit his drug habit in a way that any shaman could appreciate. He used his mind and will power, not some quacky 12 step program or pharma crap to end his drug use.
This Abyss guy, shill all the way. Can't imagine anyone trying to defend the FDA and its connected pharma industry in light of all the horror stories associated with vaccines and pharma products---like death or death by a hundred paper cuts. And he called the science sound? Really? Unbelievable. Hey everybody, the world is still flat and we live in a Geocentric universe!
We read the same link, but if you read the page, the most recent report was done for Sept 2010. That was report I cited. You cited the old reports under the most current one, from the same page we looked at---and from the link that I provided--and is the most recent. Read again -
There are sound studies do that in fact show a causal relationship. The main thing is how objective the mind is when filtering such data. I did provide links to that study btw, in this thread. However, nothing if fully understood here, we need more research and data on all this. You last statement is one that I agree with to an extent, that there may be other factors involved here, in which we do not understand right now. I suspect there is a association, but we need to know more to know exactly why there is a association with some people, and not with others.
Okay, good to know where you stand. At least you spoke your mind. I disagree with you, but I am willing to hear anything about this subject, from either end so that I may be better informed about this. We disagree about all this, big deal.
The idea or opinion that the science behind vaccinations is sound, is not based on objective research. As much as vaccinations help, we do have to bear in mind that they do cause serious problems. What kind of medicine is that? Quackery, that's what is, and that is my opinion about that---which can be backed up with a massive body of evidence and testimonies. The science of vaccines and pharma is critically bad, it needs to be fixed or we just need to go into a different direction with this. Medicines are supposed to be healthy, and not kill in some cases---like with vaccines and other pharma products.
What shall we speak about? If I don't back up my opinions without the research, then they are just opinions. Critical and independent thinking is something that very few people are willing to engage in. I see you have only provided links, and not one opinion? You are guilty of your own accusations! Imagine that?
Without getting back into all the deceptive and unscientific dynamics at play here, and going back to your Deer link that you provided, a simple investigation with one's own mind draws a clear conclusion. The source for this "supposed" debunking by media pundits and pharma/vaccine adherents comes from here -
If you read the study (most recent), it states "Autism, however, can be difficult to diagnose and the studies to date have relied on computerized clinical or administrative databases in which the validity of the autism diagnoses have not been fully validated."
So using my own mind with the emerging body of data produced in the case against vaccines, and not the mind of some woo woo authority basing his conclusion on inconclusive results, I see nothing that put this case to rest--especially with more and more doctors coming out and speaking against vaccines.
This case of the Vaccine-Autism association is very wide open, and not closed. To consider it closed, is a hallmark of a fascist style science similar to the dark ages. Read the report yourself, and supply your own idea, not the ideas of others who are trying to protect a quackery science.
I got the measles, big deal? I was 15 and was able to stay a week home from school. Again, I was never vaccinated! Never! And I have only been sick once in 12 years!
"There was a mumps outbreak in the New York area late 2009 through early 2010 that surprised many because virtually all those infected had been vaccinated for mumps. Approximately 80% of the almost 2000 afflicted had received the required two shots of MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) three in one vaccines. So what are regional health authorities recommending as a solution? A third dangerous MMR shot!" -http://www.naturalnews.com/028422_vaccines_quackery.html#ixzz1J4cJkqkO
From the same link - "In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US revealed that more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. (The People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)"
"In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90)"
Glad to see you no longer taking flu vaccines Jan! People who suffer the worst with flu's, are already in bad physical condition due to various reasons. So naturally, their numbers are construed in a way to scare the public into taking these vaccines. Then as vaccines are taken, many are immediately taken off the market due to the physical and pscyhological harm it causes--the nasty side effects. Then guess what, they then offer you more quackery pharma products to fix that! Amazing! And based on what science and research? There is none, it's all manipulated while the real cures are systematically repressed by smear campaigns and disinfo. It's really sick.
This whole thing is about a paradigm shift in the medical field, and the curtain is coming down on big pharma. Eventually, the people will have to unify in order to get the legislation changed so there can be some actual cures represented---based on objective science.
If you bothered to check the OFFICIAL links that I provided in the case of Polio, you'd know that only 0.5 to 1 percent (2 percent in other studies) of the people are infected with Poliomyelitis/Paralytic Polio. And 90% of polio infections cause no symptoms at all, something that the general public is unaware of. Thousands of others in Georgia infected with Poliomyelitis/Paralytic Polio in the 30´s? Can you produce such evidence, because that would be statistically impossible according to the official data.
Nevertheless, an ounce of caution is worth a pound of cure, so I am not trying to convince you of anything, just merely informing. If people wish to play it safe and suffer other side effects along the way, by all means take the vaccines.
And the data I obtained came from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which happens to be a United States federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services -
There is a massive body of evidence in this thread which includes the testimonies of people and doctors, as well as research and studies that were not altered with or manipulated.
Try clicking some links in this thread if you choose to investigate and make up your own mind---instead of what has been falsely reported and falsely believed.
In fact, I can continue to bring the curtain down right now, here you go. Namaste -
"Overmedication: Are Americans Taking Too Many Drugs? Those now popping multiple pills a day may face consequences later, experts say" -
"Another major problem is off-label prescription practices in which doctors prescribe drugs for conditions the drugs were not meant to treat. And drug companies themselves play a major role in making this happen by literally paying doctors to recommend certain drugs to their patients, even if the drugs are unnecessary. A great example of this was identified in a government report back in March that found that 22 percent of Massachusetts nursing home residents had been prescribed antipsychotic medications for conditions they did not have." -
Hey Rohaan! Great to see you again! I've been on a CS break
Spot on and I follow your progression of reasoning!
Another thing that really angers me, is how the health care industry and the FDA does not consider any other types of healing methods/holistic practitioners since it does not fit into the legislation and their supposed "science". So the definition of "practicing medicine" is cleverly written in that it disallows any other type of healing methods and practitioners to be available---since it is designed by law while acting as a medical police tyranny. Vitamin C injections is not even allowed, imagine that? And this in spite of the overwhelming evidence of how it cures.
It was almost going to be a felony for anyone claiming to practice holistic medicine/healing in North Carolina - "And now, with SB 31, North Carolina is blatantly seeking to throw the natural healers in prison. It's right in the language: Anyone who practices medicine "without being duly licensed" will be guilty of a felony crime -- even though the state refuses to license natural healers to treat disease in patients!
Do you see the catch-22 here? It's a clever legislative trap, much like the old witch hunt tests. They bind your hands and throw you in the river, and if you floated, you were a witch so they burned you at the stake. If you sank, you were innocent. But dead, of course.
Today, in North Carolina, if you claim to be "practicing medicine" (i.e. treating any health condition whatsoever) using any holistic modality (including nutrition), you are instantly a criminal felon -
Vaccinations are good? Says who? On whose authority? Based on what science? That's a myth my friend, and I see you have not strengthened your case by not providing any proof. Please, at least approach this objectively, and view the massive body of information and testimonies that are available. Ignoring such, is the hallmark of a closed mind.
Vaccines kill - "Japan’s health ministry has suspended the use of pneumonia and meningitis vaccine after there were 4 infants who died after getting the vaccine." -
What will now happen in Japan is that a group of vaccine safety experts will meet to discuss the vaccines, and no doubt most of the members of that group will be paid off by Big Pharma. Within a day or two, a statement will be issued that states there is "no causal relationship exists between vaccines and child deaths" and the vaccine program will continue as usual. The ongoing deaths of children will be ignored or explained away as "mere coincidence."
"How many coincidences does it take to make a pattern? If you're one of the brainwashed vaccine zealots, there is never a pattern. ALL deaths are automatically considered "coincidence," no matter how many occur or how frequently they appear. A true scientist, of course, would observe the pattern and realize there is a cause-and-effect phenomenon taking place. But then again, vaccine zealots are nothing like real scientists. They are propagandists." -
You may enjoy this article John, though it is nothing that you don't already know. Any wonder why such plants are illegal? Who does it threaten? And why is the science of this kind of treatment ignored? We get the picture here!
Here ya go! "In light of recent specific liberalizations in drug laws in some countries, this article investigates the potential of entheogens (i.e. psychoactive plants used as spiritual sacraments) as tools to facilitate existential intelligence. “Plant teachers” from the Americas such as ayahuasca, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, and the Indo-Aryan soma of Eurasia are examples of both past- and presently-used entheogens. These have all been revered as spiritual or cognitive tools to provide a richer cosmological understanding of the world for both human individuals and cultures. I use Howard Gardner’s (1999a) revised multiple intelligence theory and his postulation of an “existential” intelligence as a theoretical lens through which to account for the cognitive possibilities of entheogens and explore potential ramifications for education." -
And the curtain continues to come down on pharma/vaccine quackery. This quackery healing industry is just as dogmatic as a religion.
"A quick comparison of the health of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children may pique your further interest on the topic of vaccination. We’ll use autism rates as our measure." -
"To hear it from proponents of the vaccine industry, vaccines are based on rock-solid science that proves them to be completely safe and widely effective. These beliefs, however, are not factually based on real science but rather a persistent vaccine mythology that has been propagandized by the vaccine industry, medical practitioners and even governments which underwrite vaccine risks." -
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I'm all for science that is not corrupted and does not function like a police state tyranny.Namaste ~ "Vaccines and autism: a new scientific review" -
"Ratajczak also looks at a factor that hasn't been widely discussed: human DNA contained in vaccines. That's right, human DNA. Ratajczak reports that about the same time vaccine makers took most thimerosal out of most vaccines (with the exception of flu shots which still widely contain thimerosal), they began making some vaccines using human tissue. Ratajczak says human tissue is currently used in 23 vaccines. She discusses the increase in autism incidences corresponding with the introduction of human DNA to MMR vaccine, and suggests the two could be linked. Ratajczak also says an additional increased spike in autism occurred in 1995 when chicken pox vaccine was grown in human fetal tissue.
Why could human DNA potentially cause brain damage? The way Ratajczak explained it to me: "Because it's human DNA and recipients are humans, there's homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it's changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it's an ongoing inflammation. It doesn't stop, it continues through the life of that individual."
"A number of independent scientists have said they've been subjected to orchestrated campaigns to discredit them when their research exposed vaccine safety issues, especially if it veered into the topic of autism. We asked Ratajczak how she came to research the controversial topic. She told us that for years while working in the pharmaceutical industry, she was restricted as to what she was allowed to publish. "I'm retired now," she told CBS News. "I can write what I want."