blathin Forum Posts (3,125)

RE: My Philosophy On Life

jaysus the size of that speaker you'd end up either deaf or with tinnitus ..

RE: Being authentic...

Good question Sel

I've no idea what the accepted definition is but if I were to guess Id say it's being happy in your own skin (i.e. content with oneself) and extending that courtesy to others...mind you there are limits to that though imo anyway...

RE: Should all drugs be legalized ?

my heart goes out to those kids who need drugs to escape their pain...so young and yet suffer so much...why does the world have to destroy so many young lives and then kicks them to the kerb,,it's symptomatic of a very sick society imo.

RE: Should all drugs be legalized ?

Yeh, hard drugs are..but the most destructive ones are theones that gps are handing out like sweeties to milloins every day.... the biggest and most insdiously dangerous drug at the moment is in every child's hands...their phones and their "likes" on social media....

Apparently the feeling of pleasure the kids are getting from those pings on their phones have been proven to be the exact same as the high from taking (not sure which drug , think it's ) cocaine...

We are looking at an absolutely massive tsunamai of mental health problems coming down the track...and absolutely no one is preparing for it either...

RE: Should all drugs be legalized ?

Decriminialising does not mean they're being made legal..

RE: Should all drugs be legalized ?

A lot of the drugs problems in the US (and the UK/Europe) were actually created by GPs themselves. perfectly ordinary normal people being turned into addicts by their own GP's ! And knowingly too! So explain that to me if you will...

Alcohol is the one that causes the most violence and not just on the streets either, it's often in the family home .out of sight..where it can't be seen..

RE: Should all drugs be legalized ?

Good point Chesney, look what happened because of proibition, is right..The government soon erealised it's mistake and rolled that one back

RE: Where is the British Humour?

Jesus wept, the drama and exaggeration is unreal...Russsia most certainly has not "actually" threatened to nuke Ireland, or England. the US/west make programmes like that all the time by the way or haven't you noticed?

If anything, it's the US that's the real threat and the very one that's most likely to use Nukes, because let's face it..they "ACTUALLY" did drop nukes on a country and as a result killed millions of innocent people without so much as batting an eyelid about it, they didn't even give Japan any warning or any chance to evacutate the civilians either.

RE: Where is the British Humour?

Ah the English sense of humour is pretty tame/bland and pales in comparison to the Irish and Scottish..

But if it's a life long true friend you want, who'll never let you down, then you won't go far wrong with an English friend (not all obviously, but in general) .

RE: Healthy vegan diet / plant-based - for health, save the planet, ethics, are you already?

I had a quick look, read a couple of paragraphs, spotted the the word "secret"....and left I bet you have to pay money to learn the secrets

But what I did read made sense, that plants' main concern isn't human health but their own...well yeh

I've no idea how many plant species are on the planet but I'm guessing it's in the millions and they were here millions of years (66 million excluding the likes of hare's tail that's from the time of the dinosaurs) before us....we didn't show up until very recently, so we're the gate crasher, not the plants, this is really their planet, not ours...so naturally as newcomers, we evolved to take advantage of their abundance and the vast array nutrients they carry. ..and given there are probably a gazillion plants it's not like we don't have a choice..and can stay away from the deadly stuff... she says, as she thinks about having a lovely jacket potato for dinner tomorrow...yummy....

RE: Healthy vegan diet / plant-based - for health, save the planet, ethics, are you already?

Oops, I didn't see the bit about needing professional help...

Ah stop Ten, that's just mean, you dont know a thing about the man but here you are passig judgement on his mental health?

I used to think that about nasty people, but didn't often say unless they really went too far..., but then I realised..hang on, I'm Irish and Ireland is awash with mental health problems. I know a gazzilion people who're suffering from some sort of mental health problem, so many I kinda feel left out lol....and they aren't nasty or mean to others, in fact they're more likely quieter, less aggressive and kinder....

I've arrived at the concluison that people who are deliberately nasty to others , and gang up on others ,make nasty comments about peoples appearance, life, etc etc etc....are just simply nasty people and the kind of people youd never ever want, need or allow into your liife. And they know it,so they get nastier....

RE: Healthy vegan diet / plant-based - for health, save the planet, ethics, are you already?

God, I'm sorry to hear that Ten I hate seeing someone being ganged up on and no one else stepping in to defend them..that's just horrible...I may not always agree with you (can't remember now to be honest) but that doesnt mean I'd leave you stand on your own against a gang....small consolation I know, but I'm glad you're here

RE: Healthy vegan diet / plant-based - for health, save the planet, ethics, are you already?

*licks gold star and sticks it on Bodleign's chart*....

PS, completely agree with you and you were far more polite about too it than I'd be

RE: Healthy vegan diet / plant-based - for health, save the planet, ethics, are you already?

I don't know what happened there, but just so there's no misundestanding my reply to the OP was:


Bias? Bias as facts? Make believe? You do know that , right? Opinion? not factual data and science? this line of thinking?

You asked a question and I obliged you with a reply and that's your response?

Where did you get the impression that insulting someone, for no reason is intelligent or even conducive to discussion/ It sounds like you're more interested in an arguement than anything else...

As for not factual science, then you can go check everything I said

You must be new to this subject? Because it reads like you are just parroting off stuff you've read once or twice but don't really understand, but it made sense to you so you must be right...

FYI you only have half the story and you can't see where you're getting it very wrong. But, given your attitude you can be sure I won't be wasting my time explaining it to you.

Go do a few more years reading , actually learn the stuff, and you'll understand what I mean....

And change your attitude while you're at it..
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RE: Healthy vegan diet / plant-based - for health, save the planet, ethics, are you already?

That depends on what is considered "real food", which you make clear in your next statement and includes meat, where you make logical fallacies through factual wrong statements that are based on your opinions / bias as facts:

The largest and strongest animals are and always have been (dinos) herbivores, and that body mass is mostly muscle, which is created from proteins / amino acids - how is that possible, if "protein can't be found in veg", there is also an issue with your statement in terms of that "a little bit of meat" consumption by humans is "a good thing", when B12 alone can be found in plenty amounts in a number of plant sources, plus there is always plant-based (vegan) supplements that provide that, in case you do not want to / can't get sufficient amounts of B12 from plant sources themselves.

Yes, meat has a lot of nutrients in them, but also "things" that are very harmful to the human body - heme iron, cholesterol and sat-fats specifically, which lead to cancer and obesity; you can get the non-heme iron from a number of plants, and the human body produces its own cholesterol and fats, thus adding that to one's diet is counterproductive to human health.

The conclusion is that, unless there is no sufficient access to caloric-dense plant sources (avocados, nuts, seeds) to equalize your energy expenditure - which is only true nowadays for survivalists / very remote areas of the world - there is no need and even is counterproductive to human health to consume animal products.

There is also the math aspect of it, which relates to land mass, water and food requirements for a sustained and sufficient "production" of animal mammals to provide sufficient B12 and "protein"... (btw, B12 is not produced by the animal mammals, but fed to them by the agriculture industry, you do know that, right?)

If you'd do the math (this was done for various countries and their regions, scientifically correctly AKA w/ correct numbers) you'd realize a number of things:

1. the landmass is just not there to sustain this - especially in smaller countries like Japan and the UK, and especially in the use of "free range" animals, which a lot of people go on about;
2. the huge amount of potable water requirement is wasteful and could and should rather be used for irrigation for plant-food production;
3. the huge amount of plant-matter consumed by all those animals for this mathematical model, could instead be fed to humans directly and that would already end world hunger.

Again, that's based on bias and make-believe, not factual data and science. There are a lot of issues with this line of thinking, relating in particular to negative ecological impact and human health - for the latter, you can find plenty of scientifically written articles via

nutritionfacts.org/?s=fish

Bias? Bias as facts? Make believe? You do know that , right? Opinion? not factual data and science? this line of thinking?

You asked a question and I obliged you with a reply and that's your response?

Where did you get the impression that insulting someone, for no reason is intelligent or even conducive to discussion/ It sounds like you're more interested in an arguement than anything else...

As for not factual science, then you can go check everything I said

You must be new to this subject? Because it reads like you are just parroting off stuff you've read once or twice but don't really understand, but it made sense to you so you must be right...

FYI you only have half the story and you can't see where you're getting it very wrong. But, given your attitude you can be sure I won't be wasting my time explaining it to you.

Go do a few more years reading , actually learn the stuff, and you'll understand what I mean....

And change your attitude while you're at it..

RE: Do you hate the world right now ?

No, more appalled, shocked and dismayed at how badly everything, for decades, seems to be handled by the so called "leaders". They're not leaders, or even close, they're arrogant, irresponsible and thoughtless people (usually men) who're making huge decision that will effect millions of poeple, based on nothing but their own opinions and/or the opinions of a very small group of people, who probably all have the same attitude and background.... and no thought given to the consequences or long term effects.....that's never a good idea...

Take Clinton's lifting of the Glas Steagle. That single really bad decision is what ultimately caused the 2009 crash that sent shock waves around the world. Shock waves that destroyed whole countires and left them in massive debt. Private debt (private bank debt) that the ordinary people had to pay for out of their hard earned money and the loss of their social services, infractstructure, taxes piled upon taxes etc etc...

.People didn't see it coming but when they were told and had their eyes opened to it, they became angry....and as bad leaders make more and more bad decisions they became even angrier, but who do they take it out on though? The faceless entitity of corportations, governmeents and banks? No....the only peop;e they can take it out on are their neigbhours, political rivals, the blacks, the minorities,the gays,the migrants.....everyone except the ones who're really to blame....

if people used their anger to work together and demand better management, governments would be too afraid to make the wrong decision because the price would be too high....and they'd be forced to do what's right by the people...but the people are too busy fighing each other, scrabbling around in the mud tring to tear each others' eyes out over the tiniest little thing. they're so busy fighting with each other they don't notice that the leaders are completely free to be bad leaders....and cause more havoc and chaos....

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

Isn't that the truth.....I've tried some of them ready made meals, out of curiosity, and they were absolutely vile... they reminded me of the ready made meals from the 70's *gag*

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

Oh *shiver* monsanto is one very nasty company. How they're still in business is beyond me...


And the FDA is an absolute joke.

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

Ten, you're quoting from a pro-hunting website... about 1.7 million years ago. There wern't even any humans around back then...



A nd even if they were, given how long ago it was, it wouldn't be really that relevant in this context beacause humans and their gut/diet/biochemistry is always changing and today's would be completely from yesteryear's..

Humans can live on plants alone if they need/want to, but it'd be more sensible to eat at least a little every so often because if they didn't they may find they're dificient in vitamin B12 becuase afaik it's almost none existent in plants....But they most certainly cannot live on meat alone.

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

I didnt' say they were all vegetarian, I said they ate mostly plants and a litte meat. Humans didn't have the luxury of choosing their diet. They age what ever they could get their hands on and if you're hungry and haven't eaten for two , three days you wont want to be chasing some goat up the side of a mountain when you can sit in a tree and eat it's leaves..and stave off the hunger....

Ican't remember if I read it or heard it watched it on tv but one of the latest theory about how our brains developed is that it could have been down to early humans eating fungii...they reckoned that the "shroom" effect fired their iimaginations and they "imagined" some very useful things. Scientists invovled in the research reckoned its might be what pushed us from being animals into thinking humans....sounds like our early ancestors might have had great fun eathing psychodelic mushrooms lol...

"As a matter of fact veg/crops became human food in extremely recent times? " Recent times being how long? Because we've been an agrarian society, not sure entirely how long, but as far as I know it's at least 10,000 years and keeping livestock followed some thousands of years later afaik..

I dont know why your using your vegan friends as evidence that being vegan doesnt keep you slim. Sure they could be eating all sorts of junk food, sugar, alcohol maybe doing no exercise etc etc..sure who knows..

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

A lot of misunderstanding there Ten...

No one is blaming meat eaters solely for climate warming , but it is a huge contributor...and we have to accdpt that change is needed and that the sooner it's done the better it will be for everyone.

The problem isn't meat or eating meat, it's the sheer quantity people are eating on a daily basis, many seven days a week, they're simply eating farrrr too much. No one is saying give up meat 100%, but trying to cut down 50% would make a massive difference, both to one's own health and also the planet's health...

The waste from all plants? That can be recycled and turned into compost..waste meat can't . raw meat goes off a lot faster than raw veg does..veg can be stored at no energy cost in a cool dark shed, meat has to be kept chilled in a very expensive to run fridge/freezer...veg wont attract rodents, meat does. Veg is very easy to grow and needs very little space, meat comes from cattle and cattle need a lot of space, infrastructre, managing etc etc etc....


Studies? Us humans have been around thousands of years, mostly lving off plants and maybe the odd little bit of meat... You can live on a plant based diet and a little meat, but you definitely can't live on a meat diet and very little plants...sure take a look around the world and it's health problems related to diet..you think those people lugging around 20st of fat got that way by eating plants? eh no lol...a plant based diet would save countries millions in healthcare costs as well...

No I'm not saying we should all go vegan but maybe an 80/20 diet should be considered for many many reasons..

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

yeh, it already has (well here anyway) even meat that was considered cheap and almost given away when I was a child has become a "prime" cut...

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

Again, you seem to to either completely misreading me or deliberately trying to.

I wasn't rediculing free range anything. If anything I'd be the first to support it.

Why do you want to "refute" the OP's claims...would you not rather just discuss them out of interest and/or see if you can learn something or have your horizons widened? It doesn't always have to be an argument you know....

A personal affront? Oh jesus wept,what are you going on about now....

Can you keep this to the subject matter? Thanks....

RE: Happy Mothers' Day to all the Moms on CS!

Mothers' Day has come and gone...

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

You'd want? Who do you think you're talking to ? I gave you with the basics, if that's not enough for you then tough. do your own work.

Did you miss where I said "rough estimate", Again I find myself having to repeat myself. if you want accuracy etc then you do your own work, I'm not doing it for you..

So what if I did..sue me...


The way we're going and how destructive we're being, the world isn't going to have a choice. Meat consumption will become even more of a luxury than it is today and eventually it will be just a small handful of very wealthy that'll be able to afford it or have the means to keep their own livestock ...I' m not talking inside next ten, fifteen years, I'm talking 50 , 60, 70 years from now....but the numbers eating meat will fall and it's likely there will be some event that will preciptate, if not force, the move from meat to vegan...

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

yeh there could well be arguments for it but in practise it's a very different kettle of fish and no farmer would be happy about it either.. Rotation from growing to grazing is possible, of course it is but it's not really that practical and takes a lot of time,money and effort when it's easier to just keep them separate..

I could be wrong but from what I know that kind of rotation wo't do anything good for quality or quantity..it will only do harm to the soil. I don't know if you misread or it was badly explained but you can't increase the quantity of soil via rotation of grazing and growing...if anything it'll decrease it..

Where did I dimiss something/anything as being wishful thinking?

RE: Where has the master bloviator gone?

You didn't know or understand what I meant so you had to actually look up the word? ....



To use is a verb

Adding the suffix "age" converts it to a noun

There is no such word in the context it was used (by whoever it was)

RE: Where has the master bloviator gone?

Usage ! no such word,it's actually just "use"

And she's laughing at Gals grammar...

RE: Plant-based / vegan diet / foods - info from me and the why - what do you all think about it?

Parameters? given your love of the pedantic I should point out that in this case the word parameters doesnt realy apply..figures however, do....

So, using 1. Acreage of arable land on the planet and 2.Population

You can work a rough estimate out for yourself.

Dont forget to take into account loss of arable land over the next 30 years due to natural erosion, use of chemicals fertilsers etc ,thus diminishing returns > more acreage/person will be needed.

And the effects of decline of the pollinators on harvests will increase as quality of produce declines and in China, no harvest at all in some regions for certain produce (some fruits) unless pollination is done by hand (disasterous really, fruit is all misshapen)














Have fun

RE: What is... Truth...?

I'm not sure what you're thanking me for...but you're welcome