RE: vindictiveness in groups

Thanks, Anna.hug hug

RE: vindictiveness in groups

Thanks, Stressfree.

I also am glad to see one CSer that still likes Ali.
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RE: vindictiveness in groups

You are all entitled to your own beliefs and opinions. If I were on the outside looking at a similar situation, I might have thought the same as many of you.

However, my Da taught me, we can never know the whole storey as we are not the ones involved, only they and G-d know the whole storey. So I might have thought the same but I would have belayed judgement.


Ok, Now back to the part I asked you to let me come back to:

As I said, Ali's Early participation and behaviour was very different from that of Late, I think we can all agree on this.



I wish to remind all of you, I hurt Ali deeply when I let him go - He demonstrated that in several posts he made on Sept 5th and later with his comments you could see the pain in His words - Boban told him "Sorry to hear that Man".

Now, let me ask all of you this, Do not people make unwise decisions, actions, reactions when they are hurting? After making these decisions, do they not lash out when others point this out to them? I know I have. I know many others here that have. This results in carrying baggage, does it not?

I remind all of you, each of us has a different rate of recovery, Yes, Ali announced very fast, many of us would not have - even today, I am not yet ready to be in a relationship with another.

I also remind all of you, that G-d is in charge, How do we know that He did not mean for Ali and Angelface to be together from the getgo?

Yes, they should have been more respectful of the rules and etiquette of polite society, but they were not. I know that they were not very circumspect in some of their words, prompting many of you to defend me in this. I appreciate the defense, I would have done the same. Angelface apologized to me, as I said in my earlier post. They were wrong in their timing, that is by polite society, very apparent. This has caused them pain and grief.


Now another question, Do not some move fast to another Relationship when they have been deeply hurt?

Also, In some cases does not the relationship work? Yet, in others it does not? For Ali and Angelface, I hope theirs is the former - one that works for life.

Either way, it is then normal behaviour for many on the outside to Judge, is it not?

In addition, is it not normal behaviour for those being Judged to be defensive? Sometimes ultra sensitively so? When this happens is it not normal for the ones being judged to have and respond with anger to their hurt? Is this not the normal baggage that shows up for a time in all their actions and reactions?

It is this I saw when I read Ali's later threads and posts, His hurt and anger - Angelface's too. I was hoping that given time, it would die and he would once again be the CS Memeber Whom was respected and very well liked by many. Obviously this did not happen.



I am NOT condeming CS, I am asking you all if this is not a usuall normal pattern of behaviour under such circumstances? I have already told Ali and Angelface, that this behaviour would only hurt them.


In the interest of Peace, I wish to ask all of us to put aside all anger, resentments, judgements and perceptions, let all the negativity go - Please.

Please let us all just Pray and Wish Ali and Angelface a long, Blessed and Happy life together.




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RE: vindictiveness in groups

Now, To SET the Record Straight: MY and I emphasize, MY EXPERIENCE with Ali, while we were together, showed me a very Kind, Loving and Compassionate Man.

A Man whom Loved me deeply and demonstrated that in everything he did and said to me, and this Love was mutually returned from me.

I want to go on record saying that I still stand beside the Thread I made asking all of you to support Ali, when I explained to CS that we were no longer together and Why.

I stand by EVERYTHING I said about Him in that Thread, as well as before that thread, while we were together and everything I have said since.

I believe with all my Heart of Hearts and in my Soul of Souls that Ali was Faithful, Honest, True and Completely Committed to me, never once did He scam me, ask me for $ or to help Him get Citizenship, etc, etc, etc while we were together.

THIS I DO BELIEVE.



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RE: vindictiveness in groups

Hello All,

I see from my 2nd prior post that when I responded to a Quote, the Quote did not get oulined nor credited, properly.

This qoute was from Page two, from the post by Steve5721. My apologies to Steve and to the ones that contacted me in confusion.

The resulting confusion has prompted me to respond here and clariffy things for everyone.



OK, Where to Start?

I agree with much of what Steve wrote, in PRINCIPLE. It is very good advice for anyone.

For me about anyone else. For anyone else about me or any other CS'er.

Steve misunderstood me in his post. Ali never reversed any charges to me.


OK, Next part. Yes I wrote this:


But, I became more concerned for Angelface, after I released Ali, (because of my economic circumstances) due to the things that started flying in the air on here.

This was not the man I knew and Loved. This facet I would have backed away from instead of becoming engaged.

I was worried I had hurt him deeply, when I released him. I really don't know what to say about the other side he has shown.



Now to try and Explain:

All this Dust that has been flying around about Ali, since I let Him go and He and Angelface announced, I do not know what to think of his actions, reactions and behaviour of late but I will try and explain what I SEE that it is.

I have told and explained this to Him, in private. I reminded him of his early participation in CS forums how he was always so respectful, kind compassionate and asked him to think about his early posts and behaviour that for many, made him pretty well liked as he was a different man then - I will touch more on this in a few minutes. . . bear with me here.

Granted, there were always some whom never gave him a chance from day one, b/c of His Culture and other perceptions, etc, BUT there always is some(one)like that for all of us.

I don't condone that kind of behaviour, that He has demonsrated of late. However, that is between Him, Angelface and CS.



Con't

RE: Gallbladder

I struggled for 5 yrs with mine b/c I did not have stones. When they took it out, I was told they got it in the nick of time. The next step was necrosis.

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RE: Im back

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RE: Whats the opinion on a guy doing yoga? Lol im starting tomorrow for something to do.

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RE: interracial marriages... wat do u think about it?

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RE: Do you really like your lover bringing breakfast on bed?

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RE: Do you really like your lover bringing breakfast on bed?

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RE: Do you really like your lover bringing breakfast on bed?

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RE: Grow up!

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RE: Grow up!

"THAT" time of the month..[/quote]giggle giggle giggle Even, I caught that one.

But I am Red/brn mixed colour hair, so sad to use us for the label
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RE: Married men pretend to be single...

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I tell em not nice and bu bye, permenantly! boxing boxing boxing boxing spam

RE: Your thoughts/prayers DESPARATELY needed!

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RE: My boss said I have to do it

Tried that. Verry difficult and takes too long. Then won't let you post it or loses the connection. thumbs down thumbs down

Cell is ok to read but not post with.
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RE: vindictiveness in groups

Um, No.

It is because they announced so soon after I released Ali.

It was not even six weeks where I let CS Community, know we were no longer together then Ali announced they were together. In fact, I think it was about 17 days later, if I remember correctly.

There were many that felt he was disrespectful to me in this.

That is what started the snowball rolling down hill.

If they had waited longer, like a couple of months, none of this would have happened.

Um, Maybe. Seeing the other stuff supposed to be in a joking manner, maybe then it would have happened anyway.
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RE: vindictiveness in groups

We may be wrong of course..but when he telephoned the lady mentioned earlier, she refused his call...and HE even said that, but what he DIDN'T say was the reason why she refused it...he REVERSED THE CHARGES, wanting HER to pay for it. Does that sound like a man that has, apparantly, wealth over there?

I will also say this to you. Americans are insular in their lives, many have not seen the outside of the USA (some not even outside of their own state)and the people living in Europe KNOW what this particular nationality are about. He might have painted a rosy picture to you and promised you the earth but oppression of the female species IS still there. NOw, I am NOT saying that you will be oppressed, it's more of information for you, yes maybe even a warning.

Many of us, me included, took the view that he was "Green Carding" you. I recall having many debates with him and proving him wrong when he said he had his Green Card in his back pocket because his Uncle was an 'American National' and could claim him and get the Green card, you now know that is false. I cut and pasted the rules from the INS website for to prove that point.

Under the useage of many names, he has posted slanderous, nasty, rude and totally unwarranted comments against the females - which again, shows how he will treat a partner, in my humble opinion.

We have heard of how many emails he has sent to other ladies, even while professing his love to you and it was only due to CS not allowing them to be published could they not be shown for all to see...you in particular.

I recall you mentioning that his family love you like one of their own...but I don't think you'd been to see them, so all you have is the word of this person. I will even doubt if his family can even speak English. My experience with the people of this nation is the the women can't speak English, some are not even allowed to talk in the presence of men. I have seen this first hand and this wasn't in Pakistan, but in England.



I can agree with much you have said here, in general not just for Ali but any man.

As the former Fiancee of the certain person b4 Angelface, (then all this dust flying in the air about him afterwards),

there is only one thing wrong, he did not reverse charges.

I have a Cellular and I get charged for all incoming calls and International are the most expensive.

More expensive for me, b/c I am Deaf and it is hard for me to interpret the spoke word by sound, even though I can speak impeccably. The minutes would add up that is why I could not accept his calls, as I could not afford them. Seven minutes cost me $38.00!!!!!

I am looking into the new Boost plan.

But, I became more concerned for Angelface, after I released Ali, (because of my economic circumstances) due to the things that started flying in the air on here.

This was not the man I knew and Loved. This facet I would have backed away from instead of becoming engaged.

I was worried I had hurt him deeply, when I released him. I really don't know what to say about the other side he has shown.

She has emailed me privately and explained things and apologized for things she told me privately. I wish her well and hope she comes back, after she has had time to heal. She is still my Pledge Sister and I am concerned for her.
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RE: true or false?

NO!!!!

RE: Country and Calls

Yes, we do very expensively, by the minute.handshake

RE: have you ever met anyone famous?



Beautiful!!!!!

RE: WOULD YOU RIDE ME??

Yes, If Konigsburg were to tutor me!grin grin grin

RE: GOD..can we talk about with.....

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RE: tired of games

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RE: Would you date a selfish person..

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RE: Would you date a selfish person..

Nope. Done that been there. Never going back.hug hug

RE: Sheep gives birth to human faced lamb!!

True.

RE: Sheep gives birth to human faced lamb!!

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RE: Which is your favorite pet?

I canna pick. I love mine for different reasons and they know it.hug hug hug

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