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I agree Jeff completely but it was inspired by a conversation we had that drew us back to wishing we had met in high school and I asked a couple of youngsters what they did to woo their special Loves and they almost all said burning CDs which of course reminded me of the 'old' days when making a mixed tape was the 'thing.'
First batch is all mushy because that was the theme. Second batch will be much more upbeat of course.
I do have another 420 songs to fill in all the missing months of her life. Who knows maybe I will go all out and run the gauntlet and try for one song for each day of her life. Anyone have a list of 15000 songs or so?grin

Awesome songs btwhug

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I know but it is the second last song because of a very personal thing between us. It just has more sentimental value that any other song on the list.

Thanks for the song I'll go give it a listen.hug

RE: Need help locating a cool thread - Dear Journal? - I think



Hillarious to be certain and quite thought provoking to boot.hug

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Not snotty I am just a little cranky after writing the lyrics to 40 some odd songs in one night. The writing wasn't the issue really it was all the pauses in the music that drove me nuts.
Yes you are right though live music lyrics are quite often changed. The Johnny Cash Bob Dylan song is a prime example as the only live song on the list and it is totally different minus the chorus and first verse of course.
Thanks for the reply it was greatly appreciated. The lyrics online do give some sort of structure to follow at least and a general tone of the song so I did use lots of different sites.

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Thanks buddy, I was so busy trying to make a velvet effect that I completely ignored the potential for an actual effect.
The picture for the front has been decided somewhat...
Two teddy bears pushing two broken terra cotta plant pots together from opposite sides. Two pansies inside entwined together leaves embracing each other. Both pansy 'faces' looking forward with small pictures of her and I inside. The broken pots are being connected by a clear green stone that I carved into a heart, which just happens to fill the broken spot. Oh yeah and a pair of rings, one around each stem are interlocked. Lots of different materials present and the velvet one for the flower petals was the only one giving me a hard time. doh

Thanks againhug

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I know and they are almost unified in their incorrectness. Listen to a song while reading the words and you will be shocked.

Try Drops of Jupiter for instance...

Internet:
Now that shes back in the atmosphere
With drops of jupiter in her hair, hey, hey
She acts like summer and walks like rain
Reminds me that theres time to change, hey, hey
Since the return from her stay on the moon
She listens like spring and she talks like june, hey, hey

Tell me did you sail across the sun
Did you make it to the milky way to see the lights all faded
And that heaven is overrated

Tell me, did you fall for a shooting star
One without a permanent scar
And did you miss me while you were looking at yourself out there

Now that shes back from that soul vacation
Tracing her way through the constellation, hey, hey
She checks out mozart while she does tae-bo
Reminds me that theres time to grow, hey, hey

Now that shes back in the atmosphere
Im afraid that she might think of me as plain ol jane
Told a story about a man who is too afraid to fly so he never did land

Tell me did the wind sweep you off your feet
Did you finally get the chance to dance along the light of day
And head back to the milky way
And tell me, did venus blow your mind
Was it everything you wanted to find
And did you miss me while you were looking for yourself out there

Can you imagine no love, pride, deep-fried chicken
Your best friend always sticking up for you even when I know youre wrong
Can you imagine no first dance, freeze dried romance five-hour phone
Conversation
The best soy latte that you ever had . . . and me

Tell me did the wind sweep you off your feet
Did you finally get the chance to dance along the light of day
And head back toward the milky way

Repeat 1st chorus

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You guys are awesome but after going through the literally thousands of songs we have shared together I have nearly completed the list and all the handwriting (damn internet has no idea about the lyrics to virtually any song btw- had to listen to them and do the high school thingy and write it line for line).
The list as is sits right now is as follows:

Push ~ Sarah McLachlan
Amazed ~ Lonestar
No One ~ Alicia Keys
We Belong ~ Pat Benatar
The One ~ Gary Allan
Love Song ~ 311
My Best Friend ~ Tim McGraw
Chasing Cars ~ Snow Patrol
You and Me ~ Lifehouse
You're Still the One ~ Shania Twain
D'yer Maker ~ Sheryl Crow
Bleeding Love ~ Leona Lewis
If I Didn't Have You ~ Amanda Marshall
Red Umbrella ~ Faith Hill
What is Life ~ George Harrison
Never Give Up On Me ~ Jann Arden
White Flag ~ Dido
More Than I Can Say ~ Leo Sawyer
If I Needed You ~ Emmylou Harris/Don Williams
Alone ~ Heart
Waiting For A Girl Like You ~ Foreigner
I'll Stand By You ~ The Pretenders
Thank You ~ Dido
Breathe ~ Faith Hill
My Love ~ Celine Dion
The Flame ~ Cheap Trick
I Love You ~ Sarah McLachlan
Hero ~ Enrique Iglesias
Unchained Melody ~ The Righteous Brothers
You Are My Sunshine ~ Johnny Cash/Bob Dylan
Iris ~ Goo Goo Dolls
Fall ~ Clay Walker
If You Want My Love You Got It ~ Cheap Trick
Red Red Rose ~ Emmylou Harris
Here Without You ~ Three Doors Down
If You Could Only See ~ Tonic
I'd Love you to Want Me ~ Lobo
I Surrender ~ Celine Dion
500 Miles ~ The Proclaimers
The Air That I Breathe ~ The Hollies
Sweet Surrender ~ Sarah McLachlan
Longer ~ Dan Fogelberg
~ (missing song here)
~ (missing song here)
Right Down the Line ~ Gerry Rafferty
Believe In you ~ Amanda Marshall
Drops of Jupiter ~ Train
Cuppycake ~ Strawberry Shortcake

I still need some help with the paint issue though and so little input there makes me wonder where all the artists are at?

Thanks again guys, lots of downloads active right now to catch up to what you have shared. I only have 48 songs and that makes 1 per month for the first four years. She is 39 so I suppose I owe her another 420 so I am off to a good start already.

~ Markhug

RE: Guys,...With ONE word..

Persistent

Tenacious

Invigorated

Resolute

Determined


I only believe failure comes in failing to try. I will not be a failure for anyone. Only I can make me lose.

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Ok I am handwriting a book of music lyrics from wonderful Love songs and then burning cds to match (which will be inserted into sleeves in the inside covers) for the woman of my dreams.
I have the following songs already:
Push ~ Sarah McLachlan
Amazed ~ Lonestar
No One ~ Alicia Keys
We Belong ~ Pat Benatar
The One ~ Gary Allan
Love Song ~ 311
My Best Friend ~ Tim McGraw
Chasing Cars ~ Snow Patrol
You and Me ~ Lifehouse
You're Still the One ~ Shania Twain
D'yer Maker ~ Sheryl Crow
Bleeding Love ~ Leona Lewis
If I Didn't Have You ~ Amanda Marshall
Red Umbrella ~ Faith Hill
What Is Life ~ George Harrison
If I needed You ~ Emmylou Harris
Never Give Up On Me ~ Jann Arden
You Are My Sunshine ~ Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan
I'd Love you to Want Me ~ Lobo
The Flame ~ Cheap Trick
Here Without You ~ Three Doors Down
Red Red Rose ~ Emmylou Harris
Unchained Melody ~ The Righteous Brothers
I Love You ~ Sarah McLachlan
If You Want My Love You Got It ~ Cheap Trick
Alone ~ Heart
More Than I Can Say ~ Leo Sawyer
My Love ~ Celine Dion
Fall ~ Clay Walker
I'll Stand By You ~ The Pretenders
I Know How To Love You Well ~ Tim McGraw
Drops of Jupiter ~ Train

I need another 15 or 16 songs I think. As you can see she has quite the varied interest in music and the songs are specifically tailored to her interests. Her favourite genre is 70's (all of it) but she listens to pretty much everything.
Any and all serious suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
As an aside any artists out there who know about paint? I need to know what kind of pait I would use to paint on the cover to get a textured feel like velvet or something similar? Please help with this as well as I cannot for the life of me think of it. It is to paint a pansy with full flower type texture. Her favourite flower of course and I was thinking of actually two of them with the centres for tiny pictures.

Thank you.
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I'll Stand By You ~ The Pretenders

Oh, why you look so sad?
Tears are in your eyes
Come on and come to me now
Dont be ashamed to cry
Let me see you through
cause Ive seen the dark side too
When the night falls on you
You dont know what to do
Nothing you confess
Could make me love you less

Ill stand by you
Ill stand by you
Wont let nobody hurt you
Ill stand by you

So if youre mad, get mad
Dont hold it all inside
Come on and talk to me now
Hey, what you got to hide?
I get angry too
Well Im a lot like you
When youre standing at the crossroads
And dont know which path to choose
Let me come along
cause even if youre wrong

Ill stand by you
Ill stand by you
Wont let nobody hurt you
Ill stand by you
Take me in, into your darkest hour
And Ill never desert you
Ill stand by you

And when...
When the night falls on you, baby
Youre feeling all alone
You wont be on your own

Ill stand by you
Ill stand by you
Wont let nobody hurt you

Ill stand by you
Take me in, into your darkest hour
And Ill never desert you
Ill stand by you
Ill stand by you
Wont let nobody hurt you
Ill stand by you
Wont let nobody hurt you
Ill stand by you

One call and I know she will always be there. smitten
And then the ring happened... and life begins anew.
Sunshine for the first time in weeks and all for the greatest of reasons.

RE: War against Christian

Freedom for one is often at the expense of others.

And it is to this point that we can track the decay of morality and Western society as a whole.handshake

RE: MY WORTH...

Probably should be quoted as coming from the 12 step program though.dunno

Very positve thought though.thumbs up

RE: Does LUSCIOUS love me POLL ye ye

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
(Lewis Carroll- Through the Looking Glass)

Works on Trolls too.

Excepting that the regenerative properties of such anomlies will assuredly allow them to heal unless acid or fire is put to the separated portions. Sadly the mods have the sole usage of fire and acid herein and tend to use it sparingly.

The Pit

Splayed arm and leg over the blackness.
Sweat beads fall perpetually downwards.
Shards of rock bite into fingernails
Tension of muscles taut as springs
Shudders and spasms arc concave
Tenuous grip perilous foundation
Pebbles and grit spiral downwards.
The weight of doubt and fear
Vertebrae threaten to separate
Siren calls of the void beckon
Release from consuming effort
Struggle against infinity’s pull
Light obscured and falling downwards.
Will impedes the flow of time
Inexorably linked to others
Desire commands the path of others
What pull is on our own
Conflicting paths corrode progress
Freedom beckons falling downwards.
Expenses of need refute liberty
Black sins infect all contacts
Spirit bereft of innocence
Poison of the heart
Relinquish hold
And fall…
Downwards.

RE: Indecent Proposal, Anyone??

Personally I would rather pay a million dollars to be rid of any woman who would consider this in my life. Mammon or God= Money or Love, and there just isn't any room in my life for anyone who walks the path of Mammon/Money.

RE: Vegetarians...Who Else Is Vegetarian Or Vegan on CS

I made a shirt for a vegan friend of mine that said...

"Vegans are the sort of cowards who only eat food that can't run away or complain."

He wears it proudly to this day and bought me one that says...

I believe that all of nature's creatures have a place... right next to the potatoes and carrots."

RE: Is being a non-drinker a turn-off?

I am not opposed to drinking per se, but i will never share my life with someone who requires alcohol to 'loosen up.' The person I am with does not need to become two distinct entities for me as I am a one-woman man. I do not drink and will not so if that is an issue then so be it. I will not change and I do not expect anyone else to. Plenty of my friends are casual drinkers (or more), neither of us have any issues with the other because we do not impose our choices upon each other.

RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

The pro-Syrian groups, like most of the terrorist organizations, are secular in their outlook and, moreover (as opposed to Fatah-Arafat), also serve as Syrian puppets in the Palestinian arena. On the other hand, however, after Hamas leader Sheikh Yassin had been sentenced to 12 years imprisonment for possession of large quantities of arms and for heading a hostile organization in the mid-1980s, he was released through the intervention of Ahmed Jibril's pro-Syrian organization, which demanded Yassin's release as part of its prisoner exchange with Israel.
The Islamic Jihad--Hamas' rival in the Islamic camp in the territories--was in fact the catalyst for the establishment of the Hamas movement. It was the achievements of the activist Islamic Jihad and the popularity it enjoyed among Palestinians during the period prior to the outbreak of the intifada and during its first few months that, inter alia, brought the leaders of the Moslem Brotherhood to the realization that they must take an active part in the Palestinian struggle in the territories.
Since the Islamic Jihad and Hamas both derive their support from the same group--the religious fundamentalists in the territories--the rivalry between the two movements is great. Strategically, the two organizations strive for the same goals: the liberation of Palestine through uncompromising armed struggle, and the establishment of an Islamic religious regime in the liberated territory. However, while the Islamic Jihad strives for an Iranian-style Islamic revolution in Palestine with Iranian support, Hamas is critical of the Islamic Jihad's ties with Iran.
Hamas also collaborates with Islamic fundamentalists in Israel. The leader of the Islamic movement in Israel, Sheikh Abdullah Nimr Darwish, in December 1989 called Hamas "an integral part of the Palestinian people, struggling for an independent state." Most of this cooperation, however, is limited to dissemination of the movement's ideology through newspapers printed and circulated in Israel (such as Sawt al-Haq W'al- Hourriah--The Voice of Justice and Freedom--published in Umm El-Fahm, and closed in 1990 by the Interior Minister for three months for anti-Israel agitation), and technical assistance in printing the move-ment's leaflets in Israel.
Hamas continues to increase in strength in the Israeli-administered territories and more and more is coming to threaten the exclusive position of the PLO. The future growth of the movement may depend in large part on the outcome of the current peace talks. Lack of progress in the talks as perceived by the Palestinians may well work to the advantage of the Islamic fundamentalists.

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Relations with Other Organizations
When Hamas was founded in the late 1980s, many Palestinian organizations had already been operating in the territories for some time. These organizations represent a wide range of national and social views and can be divided into four groups: a) Mainstream (headed by Fatah-Arafat); b) Leftist (including the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, headed by George Habash, and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, headed by Naif Hawatmeh); c) Pro-Syrian (including the Jibril Front, A'Saiqa, and Fatah-Abu Mussa); d) Islamic (including the Islamic Jihad and Hamas).
Hamas' attitude toward the PLO is ambivalent: sympathetic (as a relative and a partner in common goals and interests), but opposed to the PLO's secular outlook and its methods of operation in the international arena. Despite attempts by mainstream groups to bring Hamas into the fold, the movement has refused to participate in the joint leadership of the intifada represented by the Unified National Command. At times, Hamas has maintained strong ties with PLO activists in the territories--especially on the tactical level. At others, the political and ideological differences have caused tension which has even led to street battles between activists of the two organizations.
In the mid-1980s, as the religious revival in the territories began to gather momentum, the rise in popularity of the Moslem Brotherhood became a matter of concern among the PLO leadership, and the inter- organizational competition could be felt in the struggle for control of the universities and Palestinian public opinion. This competition was often accompanied by violent clashes between the rivals (using stones, clubs and axes), in some cases leading to killings.
By 1988 Hamas was enjoying incredible success, evident from the many Palestinians joining its ranks and the response to its leaflets calling strikes and demonstrations on days other than those called for by the PLO.
During May and June 1991, as the U.S. worked to bring the Palestinians into a peace process, the rivalry between the two organizations was marked by violence--using live weapons at times--mainly in Nablus. Such conflicts were renewed at the end of 1991 and the beginning of 1992 against the background of the decision by the PLO mainstream to participate in the peace talks with Israel in Madrid and Washington.
The year 1991 saw a number of setbacks in the standing of Hamas in the territories, which affected its relations with the mainstream in Fatah. At the outbreak of the Gulf War, support for Hamas in the territories had reached its peak. "The mother of all wars" stimulated deep religious feelings among the Palestinians and wall slogans in support of Saddam Hussein and Hamas appeared on houses throughout the territories. The defeat of Iraq also affected the Palestinians' own sense of security and their belief in the ability of the Islamic organizations to solve the Palestinian problem and to destroy Israel by force, which resulted in a decline in the standing of Hamas in the territories. Yet the rise of the independent Islamic Republics out of the former USSR at the end of 1991, as well as the success of the Moslem Brotherhood in Algeria, coupled with frustration at the lack of success of the mainstream PLO in the peace talks with Israel, have all worked to improve the prospects of Hamas in the territories.
The leftist organizations--the Habash Front, the Palestinian Communist Party, and Naif Hawatmeh's Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (which during the intifada joined the mainstream group and participated in the Unified National Command)--are considered totally abhorrent by Hamas. In September 1988, Sheikh Yassin stated with regard to the communists: "No, I do not see any possibility of cooperation with them. They are heretics."
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RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Lower down in the Hamas hierarchy is the Central Committee, in charge of planning and coordination of the movement's operation in the West Bank and Gaza, and comprising four members: three from the West Bank and east Jerusalem, and one from the Gaza Strip. Hamas operations sectors include the Northern Sector (the Nablus Sector--coordinating activities in Jenin, Nablus and Tulkarem), Jerusalem, Hebron, and the Gaza Strip. Part of the regional command structure was unearthed by Israeli security forces in February 1991 and the regional leaders, who had been operating under the guise of press offices, were arrested.
Hamas receives funds from three main sources: a) Donations and dues from members and supporters in the territories (often the result of coercive campaigns rather than of a genuine desire to give); b) Special fund-raising campaigns held in large Arab and Moslem communities in Arab countries, Europe and the United States; c) Direct aid from Arab countries (such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states), and Islamic charitable institutions in the various Arab countries.
Hamas exerts great efforts at fund-raising among the Moslem communities in the United States. As part of the campaign to strengthen ties between Hamas and Moslem activists in the U.S., the movement's Third Congress was held in late 1990 in Kansas City, with the participation of senior Hamas activists.
An article critical of Hamas and representing the views of Fatah, which appeared in the PLO weekly Falestin A-Thawra published in Nicosia, questioned the source of the money reaching Hamas and stressed that the receipt of funds by Palestinian organizations not via the PLO, in fact, harms the interests of the Palestinian people.
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Structure of the Movement
Following the outbreak of the intifada, the leaders of the Moslem Brotherhood decided that the time had come to found a military arm, which would take part in resistance and protest activities in the territories, in terrorist attacks against Israel, and in the Palestinian inter-organizational struggle for control in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of the central sections of Hamas (such as the military and security sections) were, therefore, built upon the existing Moslem Brotherhood structures established during the 1980s.
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, aged 47, and the father of 11, is still considered the leader of Hamas. He is confined to a wheelchair, the result of a fall on the beach in his teens (there are those who claim he was injured in an explosion). Despite his disability, he studied at Ein Shams University in Cairo and returned to Gaza as a teacher. In November 1989 Yassin was charged with having devised the goals of the organizations he had founded, directing their activities, passing on extensive financial assistance to them, receiving reports on their activities, ordering the murder of three collaborators, and planning further murders. In October 1991 he was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment plus 15 years.
Following the arrest of Sheikh Yassin, Dr. Ibrahim Yazouri was appointed head of the Moslem Brotherhood. Arrested in 1990, Yazouri was found guilty of serious security offenses and of having been responsible for the deaths of the two Israeli soldiers.
In its founding stage during the early months of the intifada (1987-1988), the movement concentrated upon building its sections and activating its members. The institutionalizing stage came in 1989, during which the movement worked on strengthening its infrastructure while establishing low-level ranks of command on the regional level. The reorganizing stage began following the first wave of arrests of the senior and mid-level leadership of Hamas in late 1989. Israel's determined action against the Islamic Resistance Movement and its leaders was a severe blow to the movement and forced it to restaff most of the senior positions in its various divisions. The movement was also forced to move its leadership to Jordan, to build its control facilities there, and to establish its apparatus there along lines similar to those in the territories.
The military section of Hamas (called Mujahedin A-Falestinin) was founded in 1982 as an independent body affiliated with the Moslem Brotherhood. This section concentrates on planning and carrying out attacks against Israeli military and civilian targets both in the territories and within the "Green Line." The leaders of the military section order operatives to carry out terrorist attacks, provide them with material, and brief them prior to carrying out operations. The section operates under great secrecy, employs various methods of hiding and relaying arms and information among the movement's activists, and trains operatives in various methods of fighting, often including the use of live weapons and the preparation of explosives. Until the end of 1989 the military arm was headed by Sheikh Salah Shahadeh, and since his arrest is apparently operated from Jordan and perhaps even (through messengers) from Israeli jails.
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In the ideal Islamic state, according to Hamas, peace and tranquility will reign, as stated in Article 6 of the charter: "Alongside Islam, adherents to all religions will be able to live in peace and safety to themselves, their property and their rights."
It appears, however, from other articles in the charter and the movement's various publications, that the attitude of Hamas toward Jews in general and Israelis in particular is not as humane as the movement would have it seem. In leaflet #34 (January 1989) the movement called upon residents of the territories to "destroy the Jews and take revenge on them." Article 7 of the charter quotes from the Koran: "The hour will not come until the Moslems fight the Jews and kill them, so much so that when a Jew will hide behind a tree or a stone, these will say: 'Moslem, servant of God, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.'"
The Kuwaiti daily Al-Anba (October 1988) offered an explanation of the movement's attitude toward the Jews: "Allah gathered the Jews to Palestine not so that it should serve them as a homeland, but rather so that Palestine should serve them as a cemetery. Allah will rid the entire world of the Jewish affliction, and just as pilgrims atone for their sins by offering a sacrifice at Mecca, so the Jews will be offered as a sacrifice at Al-Aqsa by hands as pure as those of the pilgrims."
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The Imperative of Holy War
In the absence of any willingness to accept territorial compromise, and in light of the movement's adamant refusal to conduct negotiations with Israel, the only path left open to Hamas for the resolution of the Palestinian problem is that of violent struggle to the death--the way of Jihad.
Since its founding, Hamas has emphasized the imperative upon Moslems everywhere to take part in the Jihad for the liberation of Palestine, as expressed in Article 14 of the charter: "It (the liberation of Palestine) is the personal obligation of all Moslems everywhere. The problem must be viewed on this basis, and every Moslem must understand this"; and in Article 15: "The day upon which the enemy steals a part of the Moslem lands, Jihad becomes the personal obligation of every Moslem. In light of the Jewish theft in Palestine there is no alternative but to raise the flag of Jihad."
The movement, however, defines Jihad in a broader sense. Jihad, according to the charter, "is not limited to bearing arms. The struggle against the enemy, with an appropriate word, a good article, or a helpful book; through support and assistance, when done in the name of victory for the flag of Allah--are all Jihad for the sake of God."
In an interview with Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin in Yediot Ahronot (September 1988), there appeared nevertheless to be a remote chance that the movement might agree to negotiations with Israel. Yassin declared: "As long as we ourselves have not liberated any part of Palestine, there is no point in beginning these proceedings. Their time has not yet come. The PLO must exercise patience and not recognize Israel, since Israel has taken everything from the Palestinian people and given nothing in return. Israel must first restore the rights of the Palestinian people. Only then will it be possible to talk."
In an interview with Israel Television's Arabic service (while imprisoned in September 1989), Yassin explained that he would agree to peace talks with Israel providing that both the terms of the peace plan and the final objectives of negotiations were clear. A short time later (December 1989), the movement's representatives in the territories demanded that the PLO allot five places to Hamas on the delegation then taking shape for negotiations with Israel. It should be noted that the hierarchical structure of Hamas (the leader of the movement is not only its central political figure but also the highest religious authority) grants its leadership room to maneuver regarding negotiations with Israel. Thus, if at some point the movement's leaders feel it is in its interest to do so, they might find religious sanction for its participation in a peace process in the region.
Hamas is opposed to the idea of autonomy in the territories since, according to Sheikh Yassin, "the actual meaning of autonomy is that the Jews will have everything and the Palestinians nothing." The final goal to which the movement aspires is the liberation of all of Palestine and the establishment of an Islamic state from the river to the sea.
In this regard, Hamas also opposes an independent Palestinian state. In an interview in Haaretz, Gaza Hamas leader Mahmud Azhar stated: "The Palestinians were always part of a pan-Islamic state. Never once in history was there a Palestinian state....In Europe they are now establishing an economic union and soon they will also establish a political union. This is the direction in which the world is going today. We Arabs have one culture and one language. The borders of the different states in the Arab world are not our borders, but rather borders set by France and Britain. The border with Egypt is not our border and the border between Iraq and Syria is not our border. Nasser wanted to establish a pan-Arab state in his way, the secular way, and failed. Now we want to try this idea our way."
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No Negotiations with Israel
The hard-line stance taken by Hamas regarding territorial compromise also accounts for the movement's opposition to any negotiation with Israel whatsoever, for fear that a peace process might entail a demand for Palestinian concessions as well. The movement's charter states in Article 13: "Initiatives and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences for the resolution of the Palestinian problem are contrary to the views of the Islamic Resistance Movement....These conferences are nothing but another method by which the infidels take possession of Moslem land. When did the infidels ever deal justly with sons of the faith?...The only solution to the Palestinian problem is Jihad. All of the initiatives, proposals and international conferences are a waste of time."
In Article 32 of the charter, the movement expresses its opposition to any bilateral agreement between Israel and the Arab states: "World Zionism and the imperialist forces are cleverly trying through careful planning to remove the Arab states one by one from the arena in order to isolate the Palestinian people....The Islamic Resistance Movement calls upon Arab and Moslem peoples to act seriously and continuously to thwart this fearful plan, and to awaken public awareness to the danger involved in withdrawal from the field of conflict with Zionism."
In Hamas leaflets distributed over the past few years in the territories, the movement has expressed its opposition to every possible peace plan that has arisen. In leaflet #46 (September 1989) the movement rejected Egypt's ten-point peace plan and warned Palestinians against contact with the United States. In leaflet #55 (March 1990) the movement attacked Palestinian figures who had met with former U.S. President Carter, and declared that these were trying to revive the Camp David accords and that they do not represent the Palestinian people.
Predictably, Hamas also opposes the current peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians and other Arabs. The talks that began in Madrid and have continued in Washington have aroused the anger of Hamas, whose activists have vowed to do everything in their power to undercut them and have branded the Palestinian delegates as traitors.
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RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

No Territorial Compromise
As a result of its Islamic religious viewpoint, Hamas believes that "the soil of Palestine is sacred," and that every Moslem must take action to liberate "all of Palestine" from the Jews. The objection of Hamas to any territorial compromise with Israel is expressed in Article 1 of its charter: "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes Palestine to be the Islamic wakf [sacred property] of all Moslems until the end of days. Neither Palestine nor any part of it can be conceded"; in Article 13: "Any concession of a part of Palestine is a concession of a part of the faith"; and in Article 6: [The movement] is striving to fly the flag of Allah over every part of Palestine."
The movement's rejection of compromise with Israel is also evident in the leaflets which it distributes in the territories. In leaflet #34 (January 1989) Hamas attacked the "traitorous views" of Palestinians who support concession of any part of Palestine. The leaflet provides the following explanation for its rejection of territorial compromise: "How can we allow the Jews to establish a state of oppression and terrorism on four-fifths of holy land?" In leaflet #68 (December 1990), the movement declared it would "continue the path of Jihad until all of our blessed land is liberated from the river to the sea."
A slightly more moderate interpretation of Hamas' position regarding territorial compromise appeared in the Jordanian daily Sawt A-Shab (18 January 1990). According to this article, Hamas could agree to territorial concessions to Israel providing it were understood that this compromise would only be temporary, and on condition that the compromise would not obligate the Palestinians to recognize Israel's right to exist in any part of Palestine. The article states: "Hamas believes that liberation of all of Palestine from the river to the sea is the highest possible strategic goal. The movement believes, however, that this does not preclude liberating parts of Palestine by force or any other method, as long as this solution does not include recognition of the legality of the Zionist presence in Palestine, and as long as this solution does not revoke the right of the Palestinian people and of the Arab and Islamic nations to liberate all of the Palestinian homeland and destroy the foreign Zionist entity."
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RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

A Synthesis of Religion and Nationalism
The ideology of Hamas is a synthesis of pan-Arab Islamic religious ideals and Palestinian nationalism. The movement emphasizes that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is in reality a religious struggle between Islam and Judaism. It is along these lines that Article 15 of the Hamas Charter (August 1988) states: "There is no escaping [the need] to make it clear to generations of Moslems, that the Palestine problem is a religious one, and must be treated as such." This view was reinforced in a booklet distributed by Hamas in early 1990 which stated: "Our struggle with the Jews is a struggle between truth and emptiness--between Islam and Judaism." Hamas leaflet #70 (February 1991) called upon the PLO to "revoke the Algiers resolutions and declare the Islamic of the Palestinian problem."
Despite its emphasis upon the Islamic pan-Arab ideal, Hamas simultaneously stresses that it is an authentic Palestinian movement with the primary goal of solving the "Palestinian problem." In Article 12 of its charter, Hamas attempts to reconcile the contradiction between its pan-Islamic character and its specifically Palestinian national aspirations: "From the point of view of the Islamic Resistance Movement, nationalism is a part of religious belief. There is no greater nationalism than that inherent in a situation in which the enemy takes possession of Moslem land. In such a situation, every Moslem man and woman is obligated to participate in the Jihad."
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RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Hamas Terrorist Activities
Hamas is one of the most extreme organizations in its attitude toward Israel. Leaflet #65 (October 1990) called upon local residents to murder Jews and burn their property. "Every Jew or settler is a target and must be killed. Their blood and their property are forfeit."
In carrying out their religious duty to fight against Israel, Hamas adherents have been responsible for such attacks as the brutal murder of three workers at an aluminum plant in Jaffa in December 1990; the infiltration of a six-man terrorist squad from Jordan in March 1991 that wounded three IDF soldiers before they were caught in the vicinity of Kibbutz Tirat Zvi, and whose members carried Korans and photographs of Sheikh Yassin in addition to weapons; the murder of Shlomo Yehiya from Moshav Kadima in September 1991; and the attack at Tel Hashomer junction in October 1991 in which two soldiers were killed and eleven others wounded.
The kidnapping and murder of Israeli soldiers Avi Sasportas and Ilan Saadon in 1989 were among the most serious carried out by Hamas. The attacks were carried out in similar fashion: Mahmoud Nasser (who had been released in the Jibril prisoner exchange) and Mahmoud Mabhouh stole an Israeli Subaru automobile, donned skullcaps, and gave the hitchhiking soldiers rides. During the drive the terrorists shot the soldiers with a .22 caliber pistol and then buried them.
Following the murders, the two hid out in a house in the Daraj section of Gaza where they received assistance and food from local Hamas activists. After about a month, they were smuggled out to Egypt, from where they were taken to Libya. When Israeli security forces were close to discovering their hideout, senior Hamas commanders recommended that the two commit suicide and become martyrs.
Hamas did not, however, concentrate only upon the murder of Israelis, and the movement's operatives were also involved in many murders of Palestinians in the territories as well.
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RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

Born with the Intifada
On the eve of the intifada, the Moslem Brotherhood twice used the name "Hamas" for its operations. On the first occasion, a leaflet was distributed in the Gaza Strip (March 1987) decrying the use and sale of drugs and was directed at pharmacists and drug dealers who "corrupt youth." The second leaflet signed by Hamas included detailed instructions on how to beware of Israeli intelligence in the territories. The Hamas movement, however, was actually founded only after the outbreak of the intifada. Activists of the Moslem Brotherhood, who had until then concentrated primarily on religious and educational operations and had refrained from openly anti-Israel activities (for fear of IDF reprisal and possible restrictions upon the movement), came under sharp criticism from among the Palestinians.
The founding of Hamas--the Islamic Resistance Movement--at the beginning of the intifada can be linked to a number of factors:
A. In the mid-1980s a group of Moslem Brotherhood activists broke away to form the Islamic Jihad. This organization, which rejected passivity, added a national-Palestinian aspect to its Moslem fundamentalist ideology. "Jihad" activists, who advocated attacks against Israel and who carried them out as well, won great sympathy in the territories, and especially in Gaza. On the eve of the intifada, the Islamic Jihad enjoyed even greater popularity following a number of "successful" attacks carried out by its operatives in Gaza and Jerusalem, and following the brazen escape of some of the movement's senior activists from an Israeli jail (May 1987).
B. The many demonstrations and protest activities that took place during the first stage of the intifada swept the Palestinian masses, including Moslem Brotherhood activists, into the streets. The movement's leaders began to fear that continuing to prohibit the participation of their members in overt anti-Israel activity would rob them of the widespread support they had won, driving their supporters into the arms of other organizations.
C. The leadership of the Moslem Brotherhood soon understood that the "Palestinian struggle" had entered a new phase as a result of the intifada, and that whoever succeeded in controlling events in the territories would stand a better chance in the inter-organizational struggle.
The Moslem Brotherhood leadership estimated that after many years of semi-covert recruitment and education, their movement had succeeded in winning sufficient popular support to make it difficult for Israeli forces to eradicate it, even if it were to allow its members to participate in anti-Israeli activities.
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RE: WHO IS OPPOSING PEACE IN GAZA ??

HAMAS--THE ISLAMIC RESISTANCE MOVEMENT IN THE TERRITORIES
Boaz Ganor
Part of the Moslem Brotherhood
The Hamas movement is an offshoot of the Moslem Brotherhood in the Israeli-administered territories, or as defined in the second and fifth articles of the Hamas Charter: "Hamas--the Islamic Resistance Movement--is a division of the Moslem Brotherhood in Palestine. The Moslem Brotherhood is international and the largest of the Islamic movements in the modern era....The Islamic Resistance Movement is a specifically Palestinian movement. Its loyalty is to Allah and its commitment is to Islam as a way of life."
The Moslem Brotherhood in the territories was formed during the years 1967-1977, when Islamic- religious forces joined ranks, under the aegis of similar groups in Arab countries (mainly Jordan and Egypt), to form a single movement. In 1978 the movement, led by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, registered as a non-profit organization called the Moujama. From its founding until the mid-1980s, the Moslem Brotherhood concentrated its activities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza upon recruitment and dissemination of Islamic values among Palestinians in general and among the youth in particular. To achieve these goals, the movement strove to gain control of centers of influence and education, primarily mosques, universities and schools.
The Kuwaiti daily Al-Anba (October 1988) described Moslem Brotherhood activities during this period: "During the years 1967-1975 the role of the Islamic movement was characterized by the building of mosques, bringing the generation into the fold, providing them with guidance and strengthening their ideology. To this end, the movement utilized all means at its disposal. The mosque, therefore, did not serve solely as a place of worship, but also as school, kindergarten, or even library or venue for women's activities. Ideology and religion were preached at clubs, schools and universities, where mosques were often built, and politics discussed. In this fashion the generation opened its eyes and discovered the Jewish plots against the nation."
Following the assassination of Egyptian President Sadat, many Palestinians, members of the Moslem Brotherhood studying at Egypt's Islamic universities, were deported. These students, who strengthened the foundations of the Moslem Brotherhood in the territories (particularly in Gaza), soon integrated into the educational system and the universities in the territories, recruiting others to the movement's religious-fundamentalist ideology.
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Why I Don't Do Blondes Anymore...

The 18 inches cut before the picture was donated, as was the rest of it when I went in to have it removed. How could I not give the hair to someone, who because of unfortunate circumstances had their own removed along with some form of dignity. I would do it again and again too but there will never be a day that I have that length of hair again. Just ain't no goin' back to that one.

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