Laura, as you know (or perhaps not?) by now I am not very serious even when I am serious here and often when I am completely not serious I am often more serious than it would at first seem. I am interested in the complexities of human commerce. The idea of communication is very intriguing and the means and methods of doing this increase in ways that compound our ability to deal with things. Is there any merit to emailing a person whom you know is going through a rough patch that has just faced a vicious assault that perhaps might not have the same weight if they had received it in a better time? There is no need to drag a crowd to watch anything that occurs in the forums as there is in truth nothing here but words but words can and do harm and heal. The opportunity for the invisible hatred inside of sad and lonely people often rises to a point where those undeserving of such attention receive more than any person's fair share. Likewise a note that could profoundly lift a spirit could be noted and pointed out to someone who has not had the opportunity to see it because they were away at work, with family or otherwise indisposed. In these cases I applaud the friends who support each other. I do agree that far too often the opportunity to direct responses is activated through these back-door outlets and most often as you say by those in dire need of hobbies or some form of life expression. To those I am fearful for their ability to remain viable in any sort of real life relationship as they will never completely function without their support groups and a relationship is a private issue between two people not a horde who can only complicate things. I learn from everything my brain has the opportunity to input. Some of it is good and some of it not so good. Even in the bad there is always a lesson. My father for example was not a man I would wish upon anyone. Yet from him I learned how not to be a man or a father. It is all in the way we choose to handle the information I suppose.
Thank you and it does concern me to some degree but not in any way that truly surpasses my strength. I would hate to lose my vision more than any other sense. I am an artist at heart and I do so need to read at least one book a day to keep the meagre level of sanity I have managed all these years. The suffering is just the obstacle that will in the end make me stronger, in this I always see the bright side just not as clearly right now as I have to shelter my right eye from intense light but all will be better soon enough as the eye heals far quicker than I would have imagined. And my healing factor has always been rather phenomenal. I have the scars to prove this many times over.
You are well respected for just that young lady and a most welcome breath of fresh air to boot. As for the medium being tough it does have a rather decidedly two dimensional aspect at times (One dimensional from the trolls sadly) with no means for inflection or context to properly be situated but those with persistence can manage. Brail has no working in my underdeveloped mind but works for those with the grace to understand and even here we learn more and more every day.
You really have to stop encouraging me as I am certain that my lunacy drives more than one participant here to pull their hair clean out at times... Unless you have stock in the hairclub for men that is then do continue raising the prices of those little shares...
At least in my case I have not been required to get a life yet. Perhaps this is best for the life in question as I have already made a real mess of the one I already have at times. Nice to see you here again young lady. with humour intact...
bumped once again as I have seen the wandering faces of a few lost friends who perhaps have not yet read this missive begging for their return... I am a greedy greedy man and will not rest until I have the whole set I tell ya... its just not worth as much if it is incomplete... Ok and I miss you guys, please come back...
Are you making fun of my wonky eye now... ? I already forgive you anyways though
How have you been and why have you not responded to my plea for the return of my friend list? Happy New Year young lady and the best wishes for the entirety of this one before us.
Of course there is a good side to all of it and a bad side. I am merely curious as to who participates in this activity not whther or not they are altruistic or malicious. That is quite apparent in their personal commentary and what they choose to follow. No one who can claim to be someone's friend can always sit back idly and allow the persecution of someone they have any sort of friendship with it is just not human. And at times I am sure these backstage events can get quite out of hand. But likewise I agree that the support from a person no matter how far away is perhaps the only comfort available to some in the situations they may currently be adrift in. This is just a light-hearted discourse on a topic which likey has appeared in many newcomers heads as something they may have said in private becomes apparent in a public post or vice versa. Many here are far too proficient at communicating in multi talented ways and often a post gets a response that perhaps does not make sense to any but those in the 'know.' Do the benefits outweigh the negatives is more along the lines of what I am looking at. Regardless it is just a personal interest and has nothing to do with any who do or do not bother. I am just curious and if I was a cat i would have likely used a litter of lives already because of this.
20 minutes and 26 views yet only two responses (and one was me?), I hope the phones are not ringing off the hooks here. I was unaware that this issue was classified... please no Guantanamo Bay for me I repent...
And now Bob and Merky... Christmas comes late or real early here with gifts such as the lot of you. Thank you for bearing with me even when I am oft less than lucid... bordering closer to delerium really but today and for the past week at least I have the meds to blame...
Cristina I only quoted your response as it best represented the opposition ot this thread's idea. I am not in any way opposed to your reluctance here. Nor was I trying to centre you out. I just do not think this particular thread has any of the venom (yet) that appeared on the many others of its ilk. Perhaps the vipers are yet asleep or bolstering their affronts through drink or electro stimulation. Sadly I am almost certain they will arrive. Happily you are not one of them.
But is there ever a point where intervention by someone being assaulted is viable or even correct? What if this person is someone whose view you respect and they are being publicly executed unfairly and without representation? The camraderie is a boon for certain as many here have lost far too much in their personal lives to trust those in their immediate environment to stand with them. Again there is no point in arriving to push an envelope further into a realm best left unpopulated. You have a healthy approach here Cristina and I appreciate your comments.
Sometimes an injection of humour is the best way to overcome such malice that was presented in parts of the other multitude of threads on this issue. The best way to forget is to laugh it off, and nowhere in this thread's inception do I sense any real aggression but rather a comical way of presenting it through humour. No one remembers a joke anyways so perhaps in its own way this thread will bury the other negative positions that arose earlier. I say go for it as long as mirth is the point it derives from then all is well.
And this honest input from a person who is personally touched by these incidents. With such grace and eloquence from one affected in a much more personal way than many here (other than those posting from the region of course) how can we say with any decency that either side should be destroyed. This is a woman of fine virtue and an upstanding character whose rightful rage for the oppression her own family has endured throughout history, is put aside to bear facts to the table. Such a fine example of what they need in the region to mediate the issues. One of her on one side and another on the other side and there would be many less weeping mothers and harmony and peace in the land for certain.
I am not asking what happens, but rather how many participate in email extrapolations of events on individual forums. We have all seen evidence of cliques to be certain. Not all of which are detrimental but some which are pack aligned to be certain. If a topic is posted by a person and some comment comes in that is specifically engineered to create frustration or paint a person in a particular light in opposition to who they have maintained, it does not take very long before they appear even if they have been inactive for quite some time. In fact their arrival is directed exactly at the point of interaction that is most deserving of a response even if the thread is long buried. I have even read of others being telephoned to become active. I am not opposed as this is often the most opportune method of allowing a person to correct a response taken out of context or confront a position that is clearly wrong in their own eyes. How many people have such a network here? Does it help or aggrivate? How many even know that this occurs? Is it more women than men? Or more men than women? What means are undertake to maintain these connections? (ie Email, Skype, telephone etc...)
Just curious and not trying to point any fingers. I think some of it is very good to know that such deep connections have and can be made here for those who just may not have enough of this sort of camraderie in their personal lives.
There is clearly some merit worthy of note when a person is bereft of all hope to the point that they willingly use themselves as a martyr or a conductor of a bomb that will not only kill their 'enemy' but assuredly themselves. In this there is a greater tragedy than mere terrorism. I do not see those brought so low in hope as terrorists but as a voice against complete oppression. Take for instance the student in Beijing who stood firm against the tanks in Tianamen Square. Not violent protest from that young man but a resounding voice which has sadly been forgotten except for the monument and scars in many hearts who were affected. Terrorism is the act of using others to promote a cause (virtuous or not) without discernment for their particular lives. Hiding behind innocents while striking out at others in order to best deflect the reply into places where it will have no effect on your own particular group or self. There is a loud voice in the Gaza region but the words are coloured by association with persons whose best interests lie in continuing the persecutions on both sides. The only losers are the people who are not directing this cause. Human nature always manages to invoke some sort of underdog support but who is the underdog here? Israel for thousands of years of oppression? Palestine for their loss of home and hearth? Or just the people regardless of lineage who continue to suffer because there has to be a side?
Likewise I do not wish to change anyone else's opinions as it is most often through such differences that growth is encouraged. My personal objective herein and elsewhere is to learn for myself, and I can only hope to share this learning with others who may or may not find some part to aid in their own personal growth as well. My eye is acting up something fierce right now and I have to put some creme in it to soothe the burning. It has one terrible side effect in that it blinds me completely and puts a terrible strain on my functional eye so I am off for a while until it balances out. I will come back and respond to any questions directed at me. Thank you as well for you time and do have a good day yourself.
Antjo I do respect your views here and yes I do agree. Some of the worst crimes are committed by people above reproach. The thread was specifically about the issues in Gaza and not inclusive of the rest of the world as that is far too large a pool of miscreants to deal with. My great disliking of Hamas is more along the lines of the terrorist stance they uphold. And even in this at least they are up front about it unlike many other organizations that use some sort of facade to colour perceptions. Many of the most proficient killers in the world (for whatever organization) are indeed trained, supplied and supported by the governments of the United States and Israel. Likewise there are counters to this produced from the East. They are very covert and in my mind much worse than the pitiful groups that openly declare their activities. I am extremely opposed to terrorism in all its states. Covert, overt, subliminal or whatnot. The losses to civilization are far more than any gains unless you treat it purely as mechanical and material. People need to be freed from the reigns of colour, language, race, nationality to truly oppose those who have entrenched themselves firmly as our rulers. If we could but all be blinded to these limitations of vision then perhaps everyone could see the value of each life. A dead child is a dead child. A living one is hope. Fanaticism from both sides in this region is the true enemy. If Palestine wants recognition they should simply remove Hamas. Then Israel will be forced to create some new diversion if that is their intent or be seen for the monsters you say they are (and in some of their actions I do agree). If the problems persist (and it is not like removing Hamas will remove the Palestinian protections as Hamas kills more Palestinians than the Israeli are responsible for) then the world will see the Zionists for what they are doing and perhaps the world opinion will sway to become more along the lines of truth and what is really needed there. Thousands of concentration camps exist worldwide, many are fully operational right now. The powers that have created and maintain these are the real enemies of humanity. There is no government truly worthy of having any control but the issues here are of the racial hatred and the deaths from this which Hamas compound with their actions. Sacrificing a people they pretend to support in order to maintain the illusions that feed the war machine. Bin Laden, Hussein and far too many other 'monsters' in the world are but the puppets that were chosen and manufactured by the Powers that run the system. Their usefulness did not end they just changed their functions. They now stand as icons, like Israel is the the Middle East, as a common denominator to unify people and blind them to the few pulling strings for their own purposes. Be rid of Hamas and let the world see the truth.
Yes it is so much worse than the deaths caused by Hamas strapping bombs to women and children (of your own people mind you) to kill other women and children so they can get on the news? There is nothing right about any of the deaths but to sit back and claim your own as Martyrs and the Israeli as dogs and infidels or invaders is just horrible and speaks of your own character more than the issue at hand. Speaking of brain-washing, there are many ways to have this done and you my dear are under the same yourself just the opposite side of a very narrow fence.
Israel should not be involved with the dissolution of Hamas. It is an entity of the Arab world and should be lanced by them as they are the ones truly responsible for the deaths that occur in that region.
Conrad the facade of Hamas is not supposed to win. Merely to instigate the world into a war where the Israelis are to blame. If Hamas had any consideration for the Palestinians they would abort there pathetic reasoning and confront Israel in the open. The deaths they cause in the region are just good ratings for there hatred. As long as the Middle East supports Hamas there will be death of innocents. They really do not care who dies so long as there unifying message gets out. They seek the complete destruction of a nation and all of its people and they will not stop likely even if Hamas is erased. A new head will rise with a new name and perpetrate the same horrors upon some other unsuspecting population.
If God gave anyone a specific portion of land then perhaps we should leave it in His capable hands and not interfere? No one owns the land and even ownership of the land as idiotic as that seems is no reason to kill a race of human beings. God does not say any part of kill them all once Christ comes to remove our sins. Christ added one commandment which fulfills all of our needs. Love one another... There is no Love in war only death.
Palestine is not Hamas. Hamas is an organization construed by the powers that be in the Middle East that have the erradication of Israel as their only goal. Palestine is the hotbed because they are seen as expendable by their own 'elected' officials. The horror of the events of this region allow the nations of differing Arabs to come together in a similar cause. The enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of way. It keeps them unified so that the Kurds that remain and others who have been persecuted within their onw borders can come together and hate a common foe. Bombing Palestine into the stone age is not any sort of responsible answer. Hamas is one of the true enemies and perhaps Zion if they continue without the hydra of Hamas to oppose.
Robbie by no means do I support any killing or domination but there is not going to be any active progress towards a peaceful resolution when the Israelis can hide their retaliations behind an organization that overtly admits its genocidal goal. The world needs to get out of that region but if they do it as the situation is currently (with far too many armaments in play) there will be a war that will overflow into many countries in and outside of the Middle East. Propaganda is not any part of altruism and I do not support any of it. Palestine was offered a state and some form of aid (albeit I am sure it was controlled in some insidious Western manner as all nations are today) but they refused. They demanded the complete removal of Israel as their only consideration. This is just not going to happen. I agree the religious connection to Saladin and the Knights Templar has far too much sway in the region and both sides have to get with the program and evolve to the world today. Many nations live in relative peace with multiple cultures inside their borders. The distinction needs to be refined to both sides accepting their equal right to being human.
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How much happens on the backside of the forums...?
Laura, as you know (or perhaps not?) by now I am not very serious even when I am serious here and often when I am completely not serious I am often more serious than it would at first seem. I am interested in the complexities of human commerce. The idea of communication is very intriguing and the means and methods of doing this increase in ways that compound our ability to deal with things.Is there any merit to emailing a person whom you know is going through a rough patch that has just faced a vicious assault that perhaps might not have the same weight if they had received it in a better time?
There is no need to drag a crowd to watch anything that occurs in the forums as there is in truth nothing here but words but words can and do harm and heal. The opportunity for the invisible hatred inside of sad and lonely people often rises to a point where those undeserving of such attention receive more than any person's fair share.
Likewise a note that could profoundly lift a spirit could be noted and pointed out to someone who has not had the opportunity to see it because they were away at work, with family or otherwise indisposed.
In these cases I applaud the friends who support each other.
I do agree that far too often the opportunity to direct responses is activated through these back-door outlets and most often as you say by those in dire need of hobbies or some form of life expression. To those I am fearful for their ability to remain viable in any sort of real life relationship as they will never completely function without their support groups and a relationship is a private issue between two people not a horde who can only complicate things.
I learn from everything my brain has the opportunity to input. Some of it is good and some of it not so good. Even in the bad there is always a lesson. My father for example was not a man I would wish upon anyone. Yet from him I learned how not to be a man or a father. It is all in the way we choose to handle the information I suppose.