Not switching topics. I was being fescious because I don't think anyone should bail out the business or the homeowner. Everyone should be responsible for their own mistakes, bailing them out will just breed more irresponsible people..
I do understand that these people might not have the wisdom or common sense to hire a lawyer. It then comes down to should I be paying for them not having the wisdom or common sense to hire a lawyer or just to make a common sense decision. The people I know all make 50k a year, so they can't use the wisdom excuse. If we are going to bail people out it should be like the economic stimulus package so we all get a fair share. I am against the economic stimulus package, I am just saying we shouldn't be rewarding people for making bad decisions, while people who made good decisions get punished.
Its the bad decisions of both the companies and the people. I have heard too many people who bought houses and the stuff they say, its absurd they would buy a house under those conditions, but their attitude seems to be if they are going to loan me the money to buy the house then I will do it and worry about it later. You can't blame everything on the business, you need to take some responsibility for your own financial decisions too, its not just the business fault because they are willing to loan someone money that can't afford it....
People went into this with the idea that somehow it will work out, the price of the house would continue to rise, they would take out a home equity loan, or whatever, I just shook my head when these people talked with glee. Now that it all fell apart they want to just blame the business. You signed the loan, take some responsibility.
That goes with solvency in anything, You stand in line like everyone else, you don't get bailed out by others.. Again, how many people who bought a house consulted a lawyer?
Here is where I disagree. These people you call innocent are not innocent. They made mistakes and they have to take responsibility for how they spend their money. I was looking for a house at that time and saw the dangers of no interest loans, I chose not to take one and continue renting. If I can figure it out without having a lawyer look over papers then I don't consider these people innocent. Houses around here at the time I was looking was 300k+, you are willing to pay 300k for a house but not a couple thousand for a lawyer to look over the paperwork?
These people are not innocent and I should not be paying for their mistake. People need to be responsible for their own actions. Its too bad they are going to lose their house, I know many people who either were foreclosed or in the process of being foreclosed, but their life goes on and they are now renting or will be renting like I am. We as a society should not be rewarding people for making mistakes and punishing people for making smart decisions. I looked at the future and saw these houses were way overpriced and these interest only loans were going to bite people, now you suggest that instead of me being stupid and buying a house and someone bailing me out, that I should bail these people out so they can live in a house and I continue renting. This is a farce in my opinion.
What about all those trusting people who had Lehman stock? We going to compensate everyone when something bad happens to them? We could go on and on, but it comes down to money should not be taken out of my pocket and given to someone else.
I don't think Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac, AIG, or Lehman should of been bailed out, and I don't think the people who took these loans should be bailed out.
I know a good amount of people who took no interest loans. I was looking for a house in the early 2000's and saw the dangers of no interest loans and made the decision to continue to rent. One thing I hear from many people is have you seen all the paperwork that you need to sign. Only thing I can say is your willing to pay $350k for a house but you won't pay 2k for a lawyer to look over the paperwork? People who bought these houses only have themselves to blame, my taxes should not be going to pay for their house. I could of bought a house and why should I pay for their house when I am still renting? Maybe I should of just bought a house, quit paying and let the taxpayers bail me out?
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. These business made bad decisions and their business should fail, not be rewarded. Some other company will arise with a better model. All this bailing out does is reward people for making mistakes and this will just breed the mentality of "If I fail the government will bail me out"...I think this whole bailout is a big mistake.
I don't think we will change each other opinion on this topic. I can make the same argument with Iran and terrorists will hook up. The dominos can go on forever. Do you really think you can stop the ideology of terrorism? Since we went into Iraq and Afghanistan terrorism has been strong, we have had many large attacks around the world. We have not had any in America, however if our efforts in the middle east was crippling terrorist they would not be able to bomb Madrid, or London, but they have and many other countries. The only thing we are doing is sacrificing our way of life, I remember Bush claiming we would not do that, but as Americans we have done exactly that. We have now gone from a surplus to 10 trillion debt, and that debt climbs at the pace of 1.7 billion a day. Look to history and see what happens to nations with a soaring debt, we won't last another 100 years if we continue at our current rate.
How far you are to the right doesn't matter. When Romney and Mccain were arguing who was more for the war I thought that was absurd. They both wanted the war, but they constantly argued saying I was more for the war than you are for the war.
Let me ask you this question. Mccain pro choice or pro life? Not his personal opinion but what platform is he running for president? He won't run on a pro life because he would be gone. It matters not if he is more pro life than Huckabee or Thompson. Except for Ron Paul all the republicans were basically the same, they had a variation of the same but they are basically the same. They were all for the war, all pro life, all basically for the same thing, just some are more for it than others. Democrats are the same thing, was there any pro life democrats? Any democrats for the war? All are just a variation of the same.
Also......Barak fully knows who and what Sadam Hussien was then. When OReilly interviewed him.....Barak said......'Sadam was this very very bad man'....how in the world, does Barak think that this very very bad man was going to be removed from power? He does not say. /quote]
We as a country was much better off with Saddam in power. The war is a major factor in the fall of our economy. You can look through history and see how war brings on inflation. We get some government numbers that the war has cost X amount of money, but history has shown that its always a greater amount than the government lets on.
Our government loves to play both sides of the war. We give Israel money and weapons to bomb Lebanon and then we give Lebanon American taxpayer money to rebuild the homes and roads that we paid to bomb. What happens in nature when you take away a animals only predator? That animal will multiply and become a problem. Iraq was Irans natural predator, both sides drained money to protect themselves from each other. Now that Iraq is gone Iran can flourish. If you look to history the U.S.A. is responsible for what Iran is now. Iran was a flourishing country that was heading towards democracy in the 1950's, but they wanted to nationalize oil, so we sent in the C.I.A. to take care of this little problem and we propped up a new ruler called the Shah, he had a brutal police force but that was ok, we got to keep cheap oil. We act surprised when Iran 20 years later takes Americans hostage.
I don't agree with that. Its become bigger than individuals. There is a reason that politicians vote with party lines. You can't tell me that 90% of all Republicans/democrats think the same, but their voting records would indicate they do. You follow party lines your political career advances. Look at John Mccain, when he was truly a maverick he got no votes for president, at some point he followed party lines, he abandon his own maverick stances and went along the lines of the party, he did that and brought the Bush crew into his camp and now he is one step from president of the U.S. Look at Mccains views when he ran for presidency last time and now, its not the same John Mccain If he didn't make those changes he wouldn't be where he is now. I am not trying to pick on Mccain because whether we see it or not Obama is no different, he just doesn't have the history of Mccain. Obama and Mccain are not leaders, they are followers who are just following party lines.
"Democracy is a device that ensures that we shall be governed no better than we deserve" George Bernard Shaw
What he is saying is that if voters are ignorant of the issues, if a majority of them don't vote and if the ones that do vote do so based on advertising paid with large sums of money, then we shouldn't be surprised by the results of the people who get elected.
Change was so yesterday. The republican new catch word is reform. Democrats = change, Republicans = reform....What does that tell me? That tells me that neither side wants to link themselves to the Bush regime.
Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity has made them good. H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
Some people should not vote. Voting should only be done by responsible people, not people who spend 5 minutes a year researching the issues. We have too many people who vote out of ignorance. Sometimes I hear people say they are going to vote for soandso, then you ask them why and the reason they give only makes you shake your head. Example, one lady was asked who she was voting for in the election, her answer was Mccain, when asked why she was voting for Mccain she said "I can't vote for a muslim." That lady should not be voting, if you are going to vote, vote responsibly or don't vote at all.
I didn't see even one person in this thread talk negatively against America. Wanting a better America, one that every person deserves does not make someone Anti American. One could say that being content, and willing to suffice with the status quo when they know the status quo is wrong is anti American.
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RE: If you could choose one TV family to become a member of,
I would be one of the members of the Family Guy.