The taliban is nothing only about destruction of there own countries. they dont even care about there own people they just prey on there people and threaten and intimidate there own as a means to an end for there own needs . these guys are nothing short of being terrorists and definitely not democratic for the people they are meant to represent
i agree that we should have peace . too many hotheads out here and for no particular reason only that they just might be muslim or israeli . look at the peace agreement in Northern ireland where catholic and protestant have made a peace. its pretty steady over the past few years and they have even set up government together surely there are a few lessons to be learned from this would you agree or disagree
why would someone want to see anyone dead what kind of democracy is that why would you want dead muslims let alone dead israelis is there a point to youre conversation. whos said muslims or Israelis are right if you are living in the states. do you know things that i don't or any other person living in the region i would love to hear youre perspective apart from just an off the hip remark without any foundation.
TTom listen when we go to lebanon or any other mission we support the local economy and we make friends with the locals we communicate with them as we are only guests in there country not occupiers and we listen to there needs. we support hospitals local projects such as schooling the orphanages and sporting events we even have running competitions and soccer events with the locals and this is paramount. this is all very important for intelligence purposes also if one wants to be clinical about it. we as Irish people have made a damn big impact on Tibnin and the surrounding areas. Where else would you see people in lebanon with Irish accents that does not happen anywhere else that we have served yes we have paid a big price for our peacekeeping there but most of it has been positive and when we go back in there again next april we will play a good set of cards and our reputation speaks for itself
maybe youre right with youre location detectors that would be a great thing for us to have but you know ttom we can see these guys firing it has been a few years since i was there but we can actually see the israeli or hizbullah firing we make no mistake about who is firing and our reports we are not biased to any side in any shape or form because each one of the sides are very cold blooded. my beef is with the Israeli military in which they seem to use the defence that there country is being attacked in which it is and by using very much unnessessary force to deal with it. i want Israel to have a free and easy transition as it is there right but i don't agree with them robbing land even though they have had problems with syria and even the lands in the settlements. it is the end of democracy when a soverign state can do this and claim to be victimised at the same time.
myself as an irishman would baulk at this thought. we only fought for our independance and never looked for anymore land apart from our detached but yet together 6 counties of Ulster. we are now at peace because terrorists and government forces were able to sit down and negotiate and a good peace ensues.
but how could anybody condone that i dont think that anyone right in the head would agree with any murder like that thats a much differant situation that whats going on in the occupied territories though for sure. The people that have done this are criminals first and foremost
have you read any of my posts i have no hatred for Israelis as i have a nice few Israeli friends youre opinions are not valid simply because they are untrue and plain idiotic and how dare you wish that terrorists should have shot us how dare you . you have absolutely no idea of whats going on there and you know nothing about whats going on. in what post have i wished anybody dead like you have ????
how you mean unbiased who would be on the side of arab terrorists as they have killed our troops also you have no idea what is going on and maybe you should have a more informed responce to what youre talking about before you post here. my friends have been killed over there by both israelis and hezbullah alike so dont tell me we take sides. better still hop on a plane and see for yerself girl
ttom of course we symphatise with the lebanese people there being bombed night and day by the Israelis thats why we are there but no we have had big problems with the Hezbullah everyday in fact. We dont have any Hezbullah symphathies so no thats not included we built orphanages for the homeless and orphaned children and employed people in south lebanon and kept there economy going while it was being bombed that was our role and a lot of humanitarian work was done. we reported every round that was fired that was our job whether it was hezbullah imaal militia or Israelis or south lebanese army . every single round was logged. we were not repeat not able to return fire to Israel simply because we didnt have the fire power. our job was to stop hizbullah attacking the Israeli compounds. my first trip was on the check points and on a daily basis we had terrible problems from hezbullah and immall militia. seizing there kalashnikovs and rpgs only to be fired upon that night by them and when they finished firing at us then the israelis would open up on us. So ttom what does one do. im not anti israeli in any shape or form im telling it as it is here.
it could be day or night when they would start but we could see where they were firing from and other fire coming from israel alone merkava tanks usually as we had posts on the frontier all our posts could observe what was going on we have no sound location systems but then again i have no idea.
i can see you're point thinking that fire would be fired upon us from another force but no we actually know whos firing at us ttom and this is not just night ttom. and to just correct you ttom i dont have any natural sympathies towards the lebanese people i just see with my own 2 eyes whats going on my friend.
we logged all firing close and firing for effect and all logged for us to fire in any shape or form in lebanon it was peace keeping as opposed to peace enforcement which we encountered in Somalia. so if we fired our weapons in anger we would end up in court explaining ourselves if we did something stupid.
this is a place i have served and hence i have no allegiences towards lebanese people nor the israeli people i speak the truth as i have seen it with my own 2 eyes. i also have seen the hezbullah kill our troops so i have no muslims sympathies but i hate heavy handed methods especially when our job was to stop any hezbullah from attacking Israeli compounds. The Israelis were showing us there heavy hands and basically just telling us that they dont give a fiddlers about us so we were in the middle doing our best to stop attacks to there compounds ttom
listen ttom i know you mean well i know you do without doubt in my mind but im telling you without doubt that israelis shot at us whenever they felt like it day and night the fire was coming from there well located compounds that we can see
. really ttom im not telling lies i came down from dinner one day from the headquarters driving a bus full of troops and the israeli compounds opened up zeroing practise right in front of our bus grounding me to a halt not knowing what to do.
you have no idea what goes on there so dont try say you have a clue. what a clueless and brainless thing to say how dare you. do you know me or something southbaynative because if you had an ounce of sense you wouldnt make such fruitless nor idiotic comments. what is you're basis for anything in this forum??
The island of Ireland is not the nation of England northern island is still the occupied 6 counties of Ireland and from a nationalist point of view which is most people on this island the aim is to make the 32 counties united as it was meant to be and under the good friday agreement this will be met within time as to how the majority of people in this area agree it will be done so if israel and the arabs were to get an agreement in line with what has happened in ireland north and south things could be a bit easier if people actually talked which they dont do over there
listen ttom500 im telling you fact here the I.d.f. have fired upon us the irish army and every other nation that work with the united nations whenever they feel like thats what im trying to tell you without any firing at all by hezbullah . hey i have no idea why they do this i have no input into what they thing but by god i do know that several periods of my tour i have spent in the bunkers from being fired upon by merkava tanks for no particular reason and as a bus driver driving people to and from places i have been fired upon as target practice by the israelis while they have been zeroing there weapons . its so comforting eh to be fired upon while zeroing weapons eh what wan*ers. how dare they use us as target practise for there own amusement
yes this is what hamas does it uses civilians as shields so why not go in and blow the whole lot out of it whether its right or not eh. maybe look at northern ireland when youre talking like this because its very similiar and if it happened in \ ireland or BRITAIN yOU WOULD BE UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT. what do you know about it wow factor do tell im all ears
the I.D.F. make decisions that effect the U.N. force unifil at there own discreation there decisions are made are never knowledgeable because i have been fired upon for no reason whatsoever and so have my other Irish army comrades so please dont talk about what you know nothing about
of course they are to protect there nation but they should have respect for the innocent and other nations . they have no idea nor do they have any respect for international law. they flaunt there power whenever it suits them and use the excuse that people are against them at all times by the way im not anti Israel.
ya so professional that they kill Irish soldiers in South lebanon without feeling or guilt. what a professional force eh. they the Israeli defence forces have opened fire on Irish positions on a daily basis for years and have killed its troops at there discreation
not assumptions me dear woman absolute fact and thats from experience you wouldnt see the likes of it even in the worst days of the northern ireland conflict
your pro israeli so am i but i do see that they people have no restraint when it comes to other people i have seen muslim people bombed out of it so much and ourselves for 4 days at a time you have no idea girl and you know there is no excuse for it. they just blast and bomb there way when they feel like it. if that were to happen on this side of the world in britain or northern ireland there would be uproar think about it. i have served there many times and see no end to the israeli chip on the shoulder. as i said im not anti israeli but they sure are a miserable lot to deal with
well they can call me what they like as long as they dont call me early in the mornin cherrie ha ha. im not afraid of bein called them names i just dont like a nation of people going around with a chip on there shoulder. muslims have also a big question mark over there own methods. so the 2 sides i reckon have extreme views
well they can call me what they like as long as they dont call me early in the mornin cherrie ha ha. im not afraid of bein called them names i just dont like a nation of people going around with a chip on there shoulder. muslims have also a big question mark over there own methods. so the 2 sides i reckon have extreme views
oh god no cherrie i wouldnt dream of it girl might as well share some of my experiences while im in here no point in people talkin about stuff if they havent been there to experience it for themselves. shur we all can talk sh**e and im no exception especially after a few pints of guinness ha ha. but ya the few experiences that i did put down did actually happen and im sure its logged on some website somewhere i will just have to look it up . and many more incidents on a daily basis took place and everyone of them were logged whether it was the hezbullahs fault or the israeli. personally im from a proud nation who gained there independance by revolutionary methods in the early part of the last century and i have a certain sympathy for israel as they are surrounded but they dont do themselves any favours by there arrogance and self serving method. look at the good friday agreement between the loyalists and the nationalists in Ireland and the way peace has been brought about on our conflicting nations. why cant the same thing be done in the middle east with everybody talking no matter who they are. Its by communication that things get done not intrangigence
yes its about 3 to 4 miles away from the israeli border thats for sure there are loads of muslim villages between the Israeli border and this kind of enclave where there are absolutely no hizbullah only South lebanese army israeli backed militia supporters so yes some of the irish are in that enclave to observe israeli movements. i have no idea who the last irish soldier was to be killed to be honest. and no it was not sniper fire that hit cpl mccarthy in ATTIRI village it was a patrol of IDF and SLA that blasted right at the irish for no particular reason. As i said before i have no idea why or what there policies are in relation to firing upon irish soldiers or U.N. Troops im as lost as you are to know that reason. ive never heard of snipers where we were to be honest. we were very used to the hizbullah in there volvo cars up to the gills in kalashnikovs and rpgs .where as the ammal militia were in mercedes benz cars full to the gills with kalashnikovs and rpgs . the registration plates of all these cars were dutch registered also.
you would have to be there tom to see the decimation of these muslim villages and of the amount of times the israelis fire upon us did you read my other posts what info would you like
i'm not sure conrad why these incidents have happened down through the years. all i know is that we had a job to do especially in ATTIRI to make sure that the old people were cared for medically and for food. The village was on the edge of our outpost and you know if anybody has any cop on at all you just can't let people die or starve as these people were within a safe zone well away from hizbullah as compared from the other side of the hill 880
so are you actually saying that my colleague who was wearing irish army uniform was murdered because of the U.N. and not because the israeli army just decided to cut him down.
come on conrad youre a mature man and i know this is a forum where opinions are thrown about but look nobody deserves for a man in irish army uniform with perfectly visible colours to be cut down and for unarmed medics to come to his aid and to be fired upon in the same way. are you telling me that these guys deserved this because they were on patrol for the U.N.
so because of Israel cutting him and my colleagues down i shouldnt blame Israel for doing it what kind of madness is that in all fairness??
Have you ever been to the Area of Operation. The place in question (ATTIRI VILLAGE) was in the Israeli controlled zone where absolutely nothing happens even with Hizbullah. The village in question was abandoned by young lebanese people for fear of being recruited into the SLA (south lebanese army ) a militia of mercenaries for the Israelis. The reason the patrols were being done was to make sure that the rest of its inhabitants (old people) were taken care of and to see if they had enough medical aid. We done a lot of good work in lebanon building orphanages for the children schools and a lot of other worthwhile humanitarian work in the area and built up a sound working relationship with its people who in the most part are really good people.
no not been had my dear man. i have friends who were there i have no reason to lie. i read the reports shur maybe my friends who happened to be there are lying i dont think so. maybe i was lieing too about my colleague cut mowed down by israeli machine gun fire while he was on a routine patrol too
seanieboy77 Forum Posts (34)
RE: Peace in Israel
The taliban is nothing only about destruction of there own countries. they dont even care about there own people they just prey on there people and threaten and intimidate there own as a means to an end for there own needs . these guys are nothing short of being terrorists and definitely not democratic for the people they are meant to represent