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Dec 19, 2008 3:20 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
mehran_n
mehran_nmehran_nNew York, USA26 Posts
cristina: How can we constantly ask a person if they are "really, really ok?" we can't


We can make time for them. Spend time with them. Tell them occasionally how important they are to us and be glad of the things they do. My cuz was always there to help me and other people but we didn't appreciate him while we had him. I hate myself when I think about this.
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Dec 19, 2008 3:23 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
mehran_n: We can make time for them. Spend time with them. Tell them occasionally how important they are to us and be glad of the things they do. My cuz was always there to help me and other people but we didn't appreciate him while we had him. I hate myself when I think about this.


Yes we canhug
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Dec 19, 2008 3:23 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
mastic55: Depression can hurt, I'm going tonight to see a friend laid out after taking her life,,,see her five days ago and she looked happy. R.I.P Donna.



I'm sorry Mastic.
I hope she isn't in any more pain.

R.I.P. Donna



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Dec 19, 2008 3:26 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
cristina: Yes we can


But if they are acting like Donna, looking always happy, we can't intefere too much can we? It all depends on the level of intimicy, what the person is willing to give you as fair play
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Dec 19, 2008 3:38 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
mehran_n: We can make time for them. Spend time with them. Tell them occasionally how important they are to us and be glad of the things they do. My cuz was always there to help me and other people but we didn't appreciate him while we had him. I hate myself when I think about this.



Hi wave

From my experiences with the disease I dont think your cuz would like you to hate yourself in any way. We are all at fault, when looking back thru our life, of not spending more time with someone whether they be family or friend.
Fortunately not all of us have to carry your perceived guilt.
Your cuz sounds like he was a hell of a guy. He like everybody else is responsible for him and him alone.

IMO he would not want you rememnering him in this way as it would cause him more pain, if he knew.

Celebrate his life, learn from it but please, please never blame yourself. Guilt can be such a wasted emotion IMO.

IMO he would want you to learn from it so you could help someone else.

I mourn your loss.

Vinny

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Dec 19, 2008 3:42 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
cristina: But if they are acting like Donna, looking always happy, we can't intefere too much can we? It all depends on the level of intimicy, what the person is willing to give you as fair play


Your right Cris IMO.

Some people who suffer have an inablility to ask for help. In fact they will do anything to stop the symptoms showing. A lot of people use alcohol as a crutch so people will see them in a different light. Pride is such a terrible thing, in some ways, as people don't want others to know they suffer with ''mental illness''
Even in these enlightened times there is still a stigma to it, from my experience.

IMO


bouquet
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Dec 19, 2008 4:16 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Why do you think there is that fear? It's not much of pride maybe but fear of being rejected...



sigh
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Dec 19, 2008 4:42 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
cristina: Why do you think there is that fear? It's not much of pride maybe but fear of being rejected...


Again we are all individual Cris, but we are talking about our deepest insecurities here. Some people are better at sharing and opening up to people than others.

Sometimes people just shy away from other people for the fear of letting them down. This can apply to friendships as well as relationships. People may not want to commit for fear of dissapointing their partner.

Some people just dont like themselves very much. This can be for a variety of reasons and is a lot more common than we might think. Take a young girl who maybe carries a few extra pounds. Society is palcing undue pressure on her to be and look the size 8 model that appears in fashion mags and tv.

Some people listen to the wrong advice.

I've heard people say to someone suffering with depression to ''Get on with it''........= Not helpful

I've also heard some people being told Ah sure you dont need those tablets.
Would anyone ever say that to someone with liver disease or diabeties ? Dont think so.

But because people's brains don't produce enough seritonen they are branded with ''mental illness''

Again it's the stigma thats attached to it........

bouquet
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Dec 19, 2008 4:50 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Vinnysmitten
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Dec 19, 2008 4:52 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Vinny, if you have all those answers well organised in your head you are the man for all of us
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Dec 19, 2008 4:54 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
LL is there with you, pick her instead:)
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Dec 19, 2008 4:55 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
cristina: Vinny, if you have all those answers well organised in your head you are the man for all of us



And i've been rejected by nearly everybody wink

I've had a lot of experience in dealing with it cris..........family, support groups and so on.
Just read up to try to help and listened to what people were sayin.

I hope some people understand a little bit more the pain Detente
was, perhaps, going thru.

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Dec 19, 2008 4:59 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
All this makes me admire him even more...because he did want to give his best to us...
I love him to have given me the best of him
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Dec 19, 2008 4:59 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
FOR* have given me the best of him
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Dec 19, 2008 5:00 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
cristina: All this makes me admire him even more...because he did want to give his best to us...
I love him to have given me the best of him


You have just put it better than all i've said or the poems.

bowing bowing

cheers
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Dec 19, 2008 5:02 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
vinny1967: You have just put it better than all i've said or the poems.


Your poems inspired mehug
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Dec 19, 2008 5:33 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
million hugshug

teddybear bouquet
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Dec 19, 2008 6:06 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
cristina: Your poems inspired me


I just copied them wine

group hug Back at you.

bouquet
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Dec 19, 2008 6:07 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
Shirley49WV
Shirley49WVShirley49WVMason, West Virginia USA27 Threads 2,449 Posts
vinny1967: Again we are all individual Cris, but we are talking about our deepest insecurities here. Some people are better at sharing and opening up to people than others.

Sometimes people just shy away from other people for the fear of letting them down. This can apply to friendships as well as relationships. People may not want to commit for fear of dissapointing their partner.

Some people just dont like themselves very much. This can be for a variety of reasons and is a lot more common than we might think. Take a young girl who maybe carries a few extra pounds. Society is palcing undue pressure on her to be and look the size 8 model that appears in fashion mags and tv.

Some people listen to the wrong advice.

I've heard people say to someone suffering with depression to ''Get on with it''........= Not helpful

I've also heard some people being told Ah sure you dont need those tablets.
Would anyone ever say that to someone with liver disease or diabeties ? Dont think so.

But because people's brains don't produce enough seritonen they are branded with ''mental illness''

Again it's the stigma thats attached to it........


hug Very well said friend handshake

I now reach out and tell someone when I am having a hard time. And I've heard the "just deal with it" which usually causes anger.
But I found the true me and learned to accept and love myself just as I am! boogie
Their is a reason I am still here and I tell myself that on a regular basis.heart wings
The reason that I posted here today was so that others who may have the same thing. Can also reach out to us that do understand and will not judge. That is the only reason.....
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Dec 19, 2008 6:12 PM CST Good Bye Phil- (username - Detente)
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
Shirley49WV: Very well said friend

I now reach out and tell someone when I am having a hard time. And I've heard the "just deal with it" which usually causes anger.
But I found the true me and learned to accept and love myself just as I am!
Their is a reason I am still here and I tell myself that on a regular basis.
The reason that I posted here today was so that others who may have the same thing. Can also reach out to us that do understand and will not judge. That is the only reason.....


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