Dont buy FairTrade products?! (16)
theduke1980: From reading a report FairTrade is merely a mask to the real problem of 3rd world poverty. In fact FT can make it worse for farmers/communities....
To be a FT producing farmer, you must be a member of the organisation, which costs farmers 500 Euros for 3 year membership. Thats way too much for these guys :s
FT farmers then buy at minimul cost from other surrounding small holders, to merely add on to thier own stock as extra profits. Hence people are NOT getting a fairer deal :s
During my time in Indonesia, i met small holders (Around 60% of the agricultural working force) and they can never be applicable for FT due to running costs. We need a new organisation that actually helps us buy directly from 3rd world producers.
To be a FT producing farmer, you must be a member of the organisation, which costs farmers 500 Euros for 3 year membership. Thats way too much for these guys :s
FT farmers then buy at minimul cost from other surrounding small holders, to merely add on to thier own stock as extra profits. Hence people are NOT getting a fairer deal :s
During my time in Indonesia, i met small holders (Around 60% of the agricultural working force) and they can never be applicable for FT due to running costs. We need a new organisation that actually helps us buy directly from 3rd world producers.
Have you spoken to Tesco's, Waitrose, Sainsbury's and all the other big stores that sell Fair Trade goods?
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Veritaas: Have you spoken to Tesco's, Waitrose, Sainsbury's and all the other big stores that sell Fair Trade goods?
You have a new picture :) Which one are you?
No, but i supply one of them....
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theduke1980: You have a new picture :) Which one are you?
No, but i supply one of them....
No, but i supply one of them....
Are you going to stop supplying one of them then?
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So many scams in the world.
All the big hoopla for third world debt relief a few years ago, with concerts all over the world and huge media coverage.
Turns out it didn't go for debt relief at all, it just made the pot a lot sweeter for debt vultures.
Same for George Harrison's "concert for Bangladesh.
The musicians donated their time and all the proceeds from the album were collected, but the concert promoter took everything.
I don't trust ANY charity unless it's one I know has a good record like the Salvation Army.
All the big hoopla for third world debt relief a few years ago, with concerts all over the world and huge media coverage.
Turns out it didn't go for debt relief at all, it just made the pot a lot sweeter for debt vultures.
Same for George Harrison's "concert for Bangladesh.
The musicians donated their time and all the proceeds from the album were collected, but the concert promoter took everything.
I don't trust ANY charity unless it's one I know has a good record like the Salvation Army.
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Veritaas: Are you going to stop supplying one of them then?
NO.
Even better, i am going to supply my own brand (hence i am the buyer, importer,exporter and buyer again!) where i can sustain smallhold producers with a better market price.
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theduke1980: NO.
Even better, i am going to supply my own brand (hence i am the buyer, importer,exporter and buyer again!) where i can sustain smallhold producers with a better market price.
Even better, i am going to supply my own brand (hence i am the buyer, importer,exporter and buyer again!) where i can sustain smallhold producers with a better market price.
So, if you are doing business abroad, is there anything in particular that would say to you "no not buying from this lot", such as working conditions, what kind of pay the workers are getting. Would you have access to such information?
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Veritaas: So, if you are doing business abroad, is there anything in particular that would say to you "no not buying from this lot", such as working conditions, what kind of pay the workers are getting. Would you have access to such information?
Currently im trading in Indonesia. The living conditions there do have a effect on me personally. They live in very 3rd world conditions (no electricity, water etc). The only thing i can do is buy above the world trade price, and then pay a premium for the quality of there products. Some small holders i can see have great potential, and maybe not great produce, but i invest in them to help raise quality of produce in coming harvests....
As for pay, or salary. I dont pay a salary, just above world market and a premium. My soon to be plan though is to buy land, and employ families to run, farm and manage crops. This would be a supportive way to sustain people. I cant do this for the hundreds or thousands, but it does give chance and competitiveness to Mr Del Monte!
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theduke1980: Currently im trading in Indonesia. The living conditions there do have a effect on me personally. They live in very 3rd world conditions (no electricity, water etc). The only thing i can do is buy above the world trade price, and then pay a premium for the quality of there products. Some small holders i can see have great potential, and maybe not great produce, but i invest in them to help raise quality of produce in coming harvests....
As for pay, or salary. I dont pay a salary, just above world market and a premium. My soon to be plan though is to buy land, and employ families to run, farm and manage crops. This would be a supportive way to sustain people. I cant do this for the hundreds or thousands, but it does give chance and competitiveness to Mr Del Monte!
As for pay, or salary. I dont pay a salary, just above world market and a premium. My soon to be plan though is to buy land, and employ families to run, farm and manage crops. This would be a supportive way to sustain people. I cant do this for the hundreds or thousands, but it does give chance and competitiveness to Mr Del Monte!
Okay, so lets just say your business plan is a success, would you eventually sell out, or stick to the reasons why you set this up on the first place?
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Veritaas: Okay, so lets just say your business plan is a success, would you eventually sell out, or stick to the reasons why you set this up on the first place?
I hope to almighty i grow!!!! Zambia feild research this December!
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theduke1980: I hope to almighty i grow!!!! Zambia feild research this December!
Sounds interesting, the only reason why I asked is that many people come up with some cracking plans, that do actually work and are ethically sound. But somewhere down the line they decided to sell out, greed can get the better of people.
Sustainability of an original plan can have a shelf life.
It will be a challenging task for you no doubt.
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Veritaas: Sounds interesting, the only reason why I asked is that many people come up with some cracking plans, that do actually work and are ethically sound. But somewhere down the line they decided to sell out, greed can get the better of people.
Sustainability of an original plan can have a shelf life.
It will be a challenging task for you no doubt.
Sustainability of an original plan can have a shelf life.
It will be a challenging task for you no doubt.
Thanks, wish me luck.
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Wishing you all the success that you deserve, nice man. Jac xxx
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theduke1980: Thanks, wish me luck.
I just did.
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theduke1980: Currently im trading in Indonesia. The living conditions there do have a effect on me personally. They live in very 3rd world conditions (no electricity, water etc). The only thing i can do is buy above the world trade price, and then pay a premium for the quality of there products. Some small holders i can see have great potential, and maybe not great produce, but i invest in them to help raise quality of produce in coming harvests....
As for pay, or salary. I dont pay a salary, just above world market and a premium. My soon to be plan though is to buy land, and employ families to run, farm and manage crops. This would be a supportive way to sustain people. I cant do this for the hundreds or thousands, but it does give chance and competitiveness to Mr Del Monte!
As for pay, or salary. I dont pay a salary, just above world market and a premium. My soon to be plan though is to buy land, and employ families to run, farm and manage crops. This would be a supportive way to sustain people. I cant do this for the hundreds or thousands, but it does give chance and competitiveness to Mr Del Monte!
It's so great what you're doing for all these people...giving
them a chance--absolutely wish you the best hon!
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laura139: It's so great what you're doing for all these people...giving
them a chance--absolutely wish you the best hon!
them a chance--absolutely wish you the best hon!
Thanks very much!!!! Its also great to travel on the job. Have a nice day x
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To be a FT producing farmer, you must be a member of the organisation, which costs farmers 500 Euros for 3 year membership. Thats way too much for these guys :s
FT farmers then buy at minimul cost from other surrounding small holders, to merely add on to thier own stock as extra profits. Hence people are NOT getting a fairer deal :s
During my time in Indonesia, i met small holders (Around 60% of the agricultural working force) and they can never be applicable for FT due to running costs. We need a new organisation that actually helps us buy directly from 3rd world producers.