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cavanlad97cavan, Cavan Ireland59 Postsscriobhneoir: Well yes you did have a dirty team back in 87 and 88 when ye beat us, but to be fair ye are consistent, because when you won in 1996 by provoking a better Mayo team into a scrap. This year ye cheated your way to a Leinster championship and I have absolutely no doubt that most counties would have granted a reply, stop defending the indefensible. Ye got what you deserved today. I have nothing against Meath people (okay ye are the county that gave us Tommy Tiernan and Hector O Heochagáin, but that I can forgive.) I just absolutely despise your gaelic football team, always have, always will. I'm not going to make a hypocrite of myself by denying that.
no team would have given a replay simple as that,cork wre every bit as dirty as us in 88 just remember the drawn game,in 96 mayo threw the first 2 slaps in the row under the hill as darren fay and mark reilly will testify to as will video eveidence but as we are meath that doesn't matter yes we finished the row in 96 but we did not stsrt it,we did not cheat to win leinster this year we did foul the ball in the lead up to the goal and the ref gave it nothing to do with us there is no such thing called fair play in sport just winners and losers,today in the 2nd half kildare gave us a football lesson,the goal before half time killed us and proved what we meath fans thought all along that our defence wac not good enough but hats off to kildare they were fantastic and there supporters were a credit to the county all the best for the rest of ch'ship and i hope ye go all the way although the dubs might have something to say about that
cavanlad97: no team would have given a replay simple as that,cork wre every bit as dirty as us in 88 just remember the drawn game,in 96 mayo threw the first 2 slaps in the row under the hill as darren fay and mark reilly will testify to as will video eveidence but as we are meath that doesn't matter yes we finished the row in 96 but we did not stsrt it,we did not cheat to win leinster this year we did foul the ball in the lead up to the goal and the ref gave it nothing to do with us there is no such thing called fair play in sport just winners and losers,today in the 2nd half kildare gave us a football lesson,the goal before half time killed us and proved what we meath fans thought all along that our defence wac not good enough but hats off to kildare they were fantastic and there supporters were a credit to the county all the best for the rest of ch'ship and i hope ye go all the way although the dubs might have something to say about that
Your analysis of the Louth incident is still wrong. Let's not forget there is a precedent for this, with Laois giving Carlow a replay. The foul was not in the lead up to the goal, the foul was the goal.
That said, fair play on your assessment of the match yesterday. As I say it's not Meath people I dislike just your football team.
scriobhneoir: Your analysis of the Louth incident is still wrong. Let's not forget there is a precedent for this, with Laois giving Carlow a replay. The foul was not in the lead up to the goal, the foul was the goal.
That said, fair play on your assessment of the match yesterday. As I say it's not Meath people I dislike just your football team.
That said, fair play on your assessment of the match yesterday. As I say it's not Meath people I dislike just your football team.
That is one similar incident leading to a replay in 126 years, hardly a sign that it is common for teams to offer a replay. The Claire/Offaly replay is a different situation, so cannot be compared. Although the silent sit-down protest used there obviously was more successful than attacking the referee, players, stewards, guards, fans etc as some Louth fans did (before anybody takes me up on it, I say some not all, not even a majority)
You can't willy-nilly offer replays, it would lead to chaos. Every disputed decision would lead to calls for a replay. Where was Meath's replay against Dublin a few years ago? Should Kerry get a replay against Down because a perfectly good goal was disallowed? Are you going to offer replays for goals in hurling where they have taken too many steps? No obviously not. A wrong decision is a wrong decision, no matter what minute it happens.
libroman: That is one similar incident leading to a replay in 126 years, hardly a sign that it is common for teams to offer a replay. The Claire/Offaly replay is a different situation, so cannot be compared. Although the silent sit-down protest used there obviously was more successful than attacking the referee, players, stewards, guards, fans etc as some Louth fans did (before anybody takes me up on it, I say some not all, not even a majority)
You can't willy-nilly offer replays, it would lead to chaos. Every disputed decision would lead to calls for a replay. Where was Meath's replay against Dublin a few years ago? Should Kerry get a replay against Down because a perfectly good goal was disallowed? Are you going to offer replays for goals in hurling where they have taken too many steps? No obviously not. A wrong decision is a wrong decision, no matter what minute it happens.
excellent post and spot on,the kerry disallowed goal was a terrible decision and was a major turning point in the game yet kerry took it on the chin and did'nt crib or cry about it,the fact it was meath scored "thata goal" made it easier for all the bedlam about it cos we are just hated simple as thatYou can't willy-nilly offer replays, it would lead to chaos. Every disputed decision would lead to calls for a replay. Where was Meath's replay against Dublin a few years ago? Should Kerry get a replay against Down because a perfectly good goal was disallowed? Are you going to offer replays for goals in hurling where they have taken too many steps? No obviously not. A wrong decision is a wrong decision, no matter what minute it happens.
cavanlad97: excellent post and spot on,the kerry disallowed goal was a terrible decision and was a major turning point in the game yet kerry took it on the chin and did'nt crib or cry about it,the fact it was meath scored "thata goal" made it easier for all the bedlam about it cos we are just hated simple as that
Kerry did not have a disallowed goal. The ref blew clearly for what he deemed a throw, then, when everyone else had stopped playing, the Kerry forward stuck the ball in the net. Very easy to score a goal when no one is defending it.
Also Kerry didnt't rugby charge at the line and throw it basketball style into the net. There is no comparison between the two whatsoever. The correct analogy would be with Diego Maradonna's hand of God or with Thiery Henry.
scriobhneoir: Kerry did not have a disallowed goal. The ref blew clearly for what he deemed a throw, then, when everyone else had stopped playing, the Kerry forward stuck the ball in the net. Very easy to score a goal when no one is defending it.
Also Kerry didnt't rugby charge at the line and throw it basketball style into the net. There is no comparison between the two whatsoever. The correct analogy would be with Diego Maradonna's hand of God or with Thiery Henry.
any player would have done the same as joe,anyway were you happy with cork's performance yesterday,the semi with the dubs has all the makings of a real crackerAlso Kerry didnt't rugby charge at the line and throw it basketball style into the net. There is no comparison between the two whatsoever. The correct analogy would be with Diego Maradonna's hand of God or with Thiery Henry.
libroman: That is one similar incident leading to a replay in 126 years, hardly a sign that it is common for teams to offer a replay. The Claire/Offaly replay is a different situation, so cannot be compared. Although the silent sit-down protest used there obviously was more successful than attacking the referee, players, stewards, guards, fans etc as some Louth fans did (before anybody takes me up on it, I say some not all, not even a majority)
You can't willy-nilly offer replays, it would lead to chaos. Every disputed decision would lead to calls for a replay. Where was Meath's replay against Dublin a few years ago? Should Kerry get a replay against Down because a perfectly good goal was disallowed? Are you going to offer replays for goals in hurling where they have taken too many steps? No obviously not. A wrong decision is a wrong decision, no matter what minute it happens.
You can't willy-nilly offer replays, it would lead to chaos. Every disputed decision would lead to calls for a replay. Where was Meath's replay against Dublin a few years ago? Should Kerry get a replay against Down because a perfectly good goal was disallowed? Are you going to offer replays for goals in hurling where they have taken too many steps? No obviously not. A wrong decision is a wrong decision, no matter what minute it happens.
There is no comparison between the two. There is a difference between a routine bad descision and the most blatant foul throw in the history of GAA.
Also how many times to I have to repeat, Kerry did not score a disallowed goal. The ref blow for a perceived throw and AFTER everyone else had stopped playing a Kerry forward stuck it in an undefended net. That happens in soccer all the time after offside decisions, I don't hear teams whinging about that.
You really are not comparing like with like at all here.
cavanlad97: any player would have done the same as joe,anyway were you happy with cork's performance yesterday,the semi with the dubs has all the makings of a real cracker
They probably would, It's the Meath County board that disgraced themselves in this scenario. (Incidentally ours would have done the same, our county board are a disgrace, probably the worst in GAA.)
As for Cork and Dublin, it's hard to know, it could be a cracker but could equally be a terrible game, it depends on how the teams set up on the day.
For the first time in a while we have 4 teams who all have a genuine chance of winning. That has to be good for football.
libroman: That is one similar incident leading to a replay in 126 years, hardly a sign that it is common for teams to offer a replay.
Actually to be fair, they are not similar incidents, in the Laois-Carlow example, Laois did nothing wrong it was just a wide being called a score. All I was saying is to say no county would ever offer a replay is just plain factually incorrect.
scriobhneoir: There is no comparison between the two. There is a difference between a routine bad descision and the most blatant foul throw in the history of GAA.
Also how many times to I have to repeat, Kerry did not score a disallowed goal. The ref blow for a perceived throw and AFTER everyone else had stopped playing a Kerry forward stuck it in an undefended net. That happens in soccer all the time after offside decisions, I don't hear teams whinging about that.
You really are not comparing like with like at all here.
Also how many times to I have to repeat, Kerry did not score a disallowed goal. The ref blow for a perceived throw and AFTER everyone else had stopped playing a Kerry forward stuck it in an undefended net. That happens in soccer all the time after offside decisions, I don't hear teams whinging about that.
You really are not comparing like with like at all here.
It is not any worse than numerous other awful decisions. I have seen a shot go wide, come back into play and a goal scored from the resulting shot in a championship game between Tipp and Kerry. No replay given there. Clare v Tipperary in 2009 and was decided by an umpire awarding a goal even though the ball had not crossed the line. Galway were awarded a point from a Farragher sideline cut against Offaly even though it was clearly wide. Wides given as points and vice versa is unfortunately a common issue.
Why are none of these as bad as the Louth/Meath goal? What makes that so special? All are examples of the rules being broken and not being punished.
libroman: It is not any worse than numerous other awful decisions. I have seen a shot go wide, come back into play and a goal scored from the resulting shot in a championship game between Tipp and Kerry. No replay given there. Clare v Tipperary in 2009 and was decided by an umpire awarding a goal even though the ball had not crossed the line. Galway were awarded a point from a Farragher sideline cut against Offaly even though it was clearly wide. Wides given as points and vice versa is unfortunately a common issue.
Why are none of these as bad as the Louth/Meath goal? What makes that so special? All are examples of the rules being broken and not being punished.
Why are none of these as bad as the Louth/Meath goal? What makes that so special? All are examples of the rules being broken and not being punished.
Because none of these involved a team cheating. Where is the rule against kicking or pucking a ball wide?
scriobhneoir: Actually to be fair, they are not similar incidents, in the Laois-Carlow example, Laois did nothing wrong it was just a wide being called a score. All I was saying is to say no county would ever offer a replay is just plain factually incorrect.
They are similar, scores were awarded incorrectly. That Sheridan fell over the line with a ball or that a point went wide of the post is irrelevant, both were not scores. Sheridan is being painted as some sort of comic villain, which is just wrong.
scriobhneoir: Because none of these involved a team cheating. Where is the rule against kicking or pucking a ball wide?
How do you define cheating? What is the difference morally between Gerry Murphy happily collecting a ball that he had seen hit the stanchion, come back into play and knocking it into the goal and Sheridan catching a ball and falling over the line with it?
scriobhneoir: They probably would, It's the Meath County board that disgraced themselves in this scenario. (Incidentally ours would have done the same, our county board are a disgrace, probably the worst in GAA.)
As for Cork and Dublin, it's hard to know, it could be a cracker but could equally be a terrible game, it depends on how the teams set up on the day.
For the first time in a while we have 4 teams who all have a genuine chance of winning. That has to be good for football.
dublin will set up like they did on sat when they out tyroned tyrone and last year cork dealt with tyrone easy enough in tne semi,1st time since 02 the winner of sam won't be kerry or tyrone,cork wre my tip all year but i have sneaking feeling that the dubs will win sam,i would love to see kildare win it for dermot earley in a year that his legend of a father passed awayAs for Cork and Dublin, it's hard to know, it could be a cracker but could equally be a terrible game, it depends on how the teams set up on the day.
For the first time in a while we have 4 teams who all have a genuine chance of winning. That has to be good for football.
Cork have Sam in their hands, depends on how they react to being such short-odds favourites. Cork should beat any of the other 3 but it doess't always work out like that. I'd say it will be a Cork-Kildare final with Cork coming out on top. I can see Cork playing the same running game against Dublin that they used against Tyrone last year.
If Cork play well, Dublin won't be able to match that. Dublin need to have the game of their lives to beat Cork and hope Cork have an off day. Cork may need to start taking some of goal chances that they are not taking.
If Cork play well, Dublin won't be able to match that. Dublin need to have the game of their lives to beat Cork and hope Cork have an off day. Cork may need to start taking some of goal chances that they are not taking.
libroman: How do you define cheating? What is the difference morally between Gerry Murphy happily collecting a ball that he had seen hit the stanchion, come back into play and knocking it into the goal and Sheridan catching a ball and falling over the line with it?
It's very clearly different.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
libroman: Cork have Sam in their hands, depends on how they react to being such short-odds favourites. Cork should beat any of the other 3 but it doess't always work out like that. I'd say it will be a Cork-Kildare final with Cork coming out on top. I can see Cork playing the same running game against Dublin that they used against Tyrone last year.
If Cork play well, Dublin won't be able to match that. Dublin need to have the game of their lives to beat Cork and hope Cork have an off day. Cork may need to start taking some of goal chances that they are not taking.
If Cork play well, Dublin won't be able to match that. Dublin need to have the game of their lives to beat Cork and hope Cork have an off day. Cork may need to start taking some of goal chances that they are not taking.
Very good analysis there. Cork definitely have to pick up. We were brutal for 50 minutes yesterday, absolutely terrible, but we did show towards the end what we are capable of. Showing it for the bulk of 70 minutes will be the big challenge.
Kildare and Down I think will be tight.
libroman: Have you seen the incident I'm referring to? It is much, much worse.
I haven't to be fair.
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