Entitlements vs. Rights. ( Archived) (3)

Sep 17, 2010 8:28 AM CST Entitlements vs. Rights.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Entitlements vs. Rights. These two terms are mixed up and frequently used interchangeably confusing issues that would be much clearer with these two different things being clearly defined and used in correct contexts.

Rights are something that you are born with. They must be defended, but they're yours at birth. You have the right to seek food, shelter, clothing, happiness. To create for yourself that which you want in life. A social organization (government) cannot give you these rights, but they should defend and secure those rights for you. And that is the primary responsibility of a government of free people.

Entitlements, on the other hand, are not rights. They are not natural. They are not a "birthright". They must be GIVEN to you by the social organization (government). And as such, they must be funded by everyone else in the social organization. You don't earn them. You don't assign them to yourself. For entitlements, the question then, is why do you deserve them? Or are entitlements something that you just "should have" simply because you want them at the expense of the resources of others? By taking from some and giving to others, a government or social organization goes against the tenets of freedom and the more the government manages your life with "entitlements", the less personal freedom you have.

So we have here both a question of what's a "right" and an "entitlement" and also a question of whether freedom is of utmost importance or government control that sacrifices your freedoms for basic wants or desires or, depending how you look at it "needs". The fact that "needs" are actually food, shelter, water, clothing (in cold climes) and that everything beyond that is a "want or desire" is for another topic.
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Sep 17, 2010 8:58 AM CST Entitlements vs. Rights.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
gardenhackle: Entitlements vs. Rights. These two terms are mixed up and frequently used interchangeably confusing issues that would be much clearer with these two different things being clearly defined and used in correct contexts.

Rights are something that you are born with. They must be defended, but they're yours at birth. You have the right to seek food, shelter, clothing, happiness. To create for yourself that which you want in life. A social organization (government) cannot give you these rights, but they should defend and secure those rights for you. And that is the primary responsibility of a government of free people.

Entitlements, on the other hand, are not rights. They are not natural. They are not a "birthright". They must be GIVEN to you by the social organization (government). And as such, they must be funded by everyone else in the social organization. You don't earn them. You don't assign them to yourself. For entitlements, the question then, is why do you deserve them? Or are entitlements something that you just "should have" simply because you want them at the expense of the resources of others? By taking from some and giving to others, a government or social organization goes against the tenets of freedom and the more the government manages your life with "entitlements", the less personal freedom you have.

So we have here both a question of what's a "right" and an "entitlement" and also a question of whether freedom is of utmost importance or government control that sacrifices your freedoms for basic wants or desires or, depending how you look at it "needs". The fact that "needs" are actually food, shelter, water, clothing (in cold climes) and that everything beyond that is a "want or desire" is for another topic.


Not surprised this isn't getting a bit more "input". Establishing the premises for arguments about "rights and entitlements" makes it hard to play fast and loose with the facts when making specious arguments to support personal agendas.
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Sep 18, 2010 9:30 AM CST Entitlements vs. Rights.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Good. I think at this point, it's safe to assume that we can refer to this when discussing "rights" and "entitlements". Entitlements are for those who prefer a government security blanket paid for by others and rights are preferred by those who value individual freedom and personal responsibility. Conservatives favor rights - liberals favor entitlements.

But most important is that we realize that there is no such thing as a "right" to an "entitlement" since they are very different things.



gardenhackle: Entitlements vs. Rights. These two terms are mixed up and frequently used interchangeably confusing issues that would be much clearer with these two different things being clearly defined and used in correct contexts.

Rights are something that you are born with. They must be defended, but they're yours at birth. You have the right to seek food, shelter, clothing, happiness. To create for yourself that which you want in life. A social organization (government) cannot give you these rights, but they should defend and secure those rights for you. And that is the primary responsibility of a government of free people.

Entitlements, on the other hand, are not rights. They are not natural. They are not a "birthright". They must be GIVEN to you by the social organization (government). And as such, they must be funded by everyone else in the social organization. You don't earn them. You don't assign them to yourself. For entitlements, the question then, is why do you deserve them? Or are entitlements something that you just "should have" simply because you want them at the expense of the resources of others? By taking from some and giving to others, a government or social organization goes against the tenets of freedom and the more the government manages your life with "entitlements", the less personal freedom you have.

So we have here both a question of what's a "right" and an "entitlement" and also a question of whether freedom is of utmost importance or government control that sacrifices your freedoms for basic wants or desires or, depending how you look at it "needs". The fact that "needs" are actually food, shelter, water, clothing (in cold climes) and that everything beyond that is a "want or desire" is for another topic.
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