MMA...A State of The Art....Or Sign Of the Times... (15)
The heaveyweight boxing fights of Ali, Foreman and Joe Frazier !!
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tallman51: The heaveyweight boxing fights of Ali, Foreman and Joe Frazier !!
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So, let me clarify.
MMA means that any muppet can take a few lessons in martial arts and when they find they can't deal with the discipline required, they go back to what is essentially legitimised street fighting, but with a couple of tricks up their sleeve?
Yeah, I'm all for stupid men beating each other with base ball bats.
MMA means that any muppet can take a few lessons in martial arts and when they find they can't deal with the discipline required, they go back to what is essentially legitimised street fighting, but with a couple of tricks up their sleeve?
Yeah, I'm all for stupid men beating each other with base ball bats.
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jac379: So, let me clarify.
MMA means that any muppet can take a few lessons in martial arts and when they find they can't deal with the discipline required, they go back to what is essentially legitimised street fighting, but with a couple of tricks up their sleeve?
Yeah, I'm all for stupid men beating each other with base ball bats.
Cool Jac...sorry,not that simple really....MMA means that any muppet can take a few lessons in martial arts and when they find they can't deal with the discipline required, they go back to what is essentially legitimised street fighting, but with a couple of tricks up their sleeve?
Yeah, I'm all for stupid men beating each other with base ball bats.
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AtwoZ: Cool Jac...sorry,not that simple really....
Which bit's not that simple?
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jac379: Which bit's not that simple?
Cool Jac,-it needs a whole lotta more....You need to,at least know wrestling or judo,-and even futher boxing or marshal art...
My point is,-it´s very violent,is there a limit to this...
I like MMA,-but it´s seems like the last stop..or...can it get even more violent?
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Now defense, in boxing you are being out boxed you defense is to hug or run away, to which the ref will put an end to that in short time to be sure the boxers are more exposed to taking damage. In MMA, you have the same defensive maneuvers adding clinch fighting, taking an opponent to the ground, using leg kicks to take power from the opponents punches, slow them down etc. You have a many more ways to avoid taking blows to the head. In many cases, the fight is on the ground for over 75% of the fight. MMA fighters simply are not exposed to being hit in the head near is much as boxers are. This is why you see boxers with long carriers hardly able to speak, while MMA fighters like 47 year old Randy Couture as sharp and coherent as ever.
Finally, compared to football and other sports ( I am only using Big leagues, though 0 deaths have happened thus far in UFC (MMAs largest promotion), and I will just say NFL where there has been 10 deaths since 1948, that is not counting hundreds of high school and college. We look at other sports since they are not as bloody, but really are they safer? Is driving a couple tons of steal at speeds around 200 MPH inches away from another gas filled couple tons of steal actually safer then getting punched in the face? I don't think so. Downhill skiing, long jump, bobsled (just had a death in the last winter olympics) there are tons of sports far more dangerous, but they are cleaner to look at so people perceive them to be more safe, when that is not the case at all.
So please, LEARN about something before talking about it, what you FEEL of what may be true, might not actually be true. Emotion combined with ignorance is just as dangerous as no emotion combined with arrogance.
Finally, compared to football and other sports ( I am only using Big leagues, though 0 deaths have happened thus far in UFC (MMAs largest promotion), and I will just say NFL where there has been 10 deaths since 1948, that is not counting hundreds of high school and college. We look at other sports since they are not as bloody, but really are they safer? Is driving a couple tons of steal at speeds around 200 MPH inches away from another gas filled couple tons of steal actually safer then getting punched in the face? I don't think so. Downhill skiing, long jump, bobsled (just had a death in the last winter olympics) there are tons of sports far more dangerous, but they are cleaner to look at so people perceive them to be more safe, when that is not the case at all.
So please, LEARN about something before talking about it, what you FEEL of what may be true, might not actually be true. Emotion combined with ignorance is just as dangerous as no emotion combined with arrogance.
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Jihadmeathello: Now defense, in boxing you are being out boxed you defense is to hug or run away, to which the ref will put an end to that in short time to be sure the boxers are more exposed to taking damage. In MMA, you have the same defensive maneuvers adding clinch fighting, taking an opponent to the ground, using leg kicks to take power from the opponents punches, slow them down etc. You have a many more ways to avoid taking blows to the head. In many cases, the fight is on the ground for over 75% of the fight. MMA fighters simply are not exposed to being hit in the head near is much as boxers are. This is why you see boxers with long carriers hardly able to speak, while MMA fighters like 47 year old Randy Couture as sharp and coherent as ever.
Finally, compared to football and other sports ( I am only using Big leagues, though 0 deaths have happened thus far in UFC (MMAs largest promotion), and I will just say NFL where there has been 10 deaths since 1948, that is not counting hundreds of high school and college. We look at other sports since they are not as bloody, but really are they safer? Is driving a couple tons of steal at speeds around 200 MPH inches away from another gas filled couple tons of steal actually safer then getting punched in the face? I don't think so. Downhill skiing, long jump, bobsled (just had a death in the last winter olympics) there are tons of sports far more dangerous, but they are cleaner to look at so people perceive them to be more safe, when that is not the case at all.
So please, LEARN about something before talking about it, what you FEEL of what may be true, might not actually be true. Emotion combined with ignorance is just as dangerous as no emotion combined with arrogance.
No arrogance here,just asking a question..yes,I know boxing,-due to constant punch to the head,-is more dangerous...My dad was a pro....Are you familiar with Jörgen Kruth,-we train at the same gym,-and yes I know what sport is...But,-limitations are stretched,-and that´s what I asked for....10 yrs from now,will the audience still settlee for MMA,or demand more?Finally, compared to football and other sports ( I am only using Big leagues, though 0 deaths have happened thus far in UFC (MMAs largest promotion), and I will just say NFL where there has been 10 deaths since 1948, that is not counting hundreds of high school and college. We look at other sports since they are not as bloody, but really are they safer? Is driving a couple tons of steal at speeds around 200 MPH inches away from another gas filled couple tons of steal actually safer then getting punched in the face? I don't think so. Downhill skiing, long jump, bobsled (just had a death in the last winter olympics) there are tons of sports far more dangerous, but they are cleaner to look at so people perceive them to be more safe, when that is not the case at all.
So please, LEARN about something before talking about it, what you FEEL of what may be true, might not actually be true. Emotion combined with ignorance is just as dangerous as no emotion combined with arrogance.
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AtwoZ: No arrogance here,just asking a question..yes,I know boxing,-due to constant punch to the head,-is more dangerous...My dad was a pro....Are you familiar with Jörgen Kruth,-we train at the same gym,-and yes I know what sport is...But,-limitations are stretched,-and that´s what I asked for....10 yrs from now,will the audience still settlee for MMA,or demand more?
I am not sure of anything 10 years from now. Just that if something does come up, it should be approached intelligently and judged fairly for what it is and not it's appearance. If safety truly is the chief concern, I think there are allot of sports that should be approached before any existing combat sport like MMA or Boxing. However, I also think we also need to be respectful to the athletes in any sport involved. Every sport has risk, and when someone is an adult (for instance, I don't think kids under 14-15 should be in any full contact sport other than grappling), they have the right to make decisions for themselves. Also, remember, MMA has also moved towards regulations as it has evolved, not away from them.
If it is the appearance of a sport, not the actual safety of a sport, that is in question. I simply suggest not watching it. To be honest, as much as I hear people complaining about fights taking place on the ground, I am surprised it is as popular as it is. Grappling takes awhile to understand and adds to the complexity and skill of the sport. Which makes me wonder why they don't watch boxing or K-1 (which both I watch along with MMA).
And yes, I have heard of him, Isn't Jorgan a kick boxer?
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Jihadmeathello: I am not sure of anything 10 years from now. Just that if something does come up, it should be approached intelligently and judged fairly for what it is and not it's appearance. If safety truly is the chief concern, I think there are allot of sports that should be approached before any existing combat sport like MMA or Boxing. However, I also think we also need to be respectful to the athletes in any sport involved. Every sport has risk, and when someone is an adult (for instance, I don't think kids under 14-15 should be in any full contact sport other than grappling), they have the right to make decisions for themselves. Also, remember, MMA has also moved towards regulations as it has evolved, not away from them.
If it is the appearance of a sport, not the actual safety of a sport, that is in question. I simply suggest not watching it. To be honest, as much as I hear people complaining about fights taking place on the ground, I am surprised it is as popular as it is. Grappling takes awhile to understand and adds to the complexity and skill of the sport. Which makes me wonder why they don't watch boxing or K-1 (which both I watch along with MMA).
And yes, I have heard of him, Isn't Jorgan a kick boxer?
Good post,yes,-i do agree in many things you say,-and yes,-"controlled" fighting could get kids of the streets..As for J.Kruth,-yes,he was WC in kickboxing,but since then moved on..If you like,-check "Rumble of the Kings" on Youtube....If it is the appearance of a sport, not the actual safety of a sport, that is in question. I simply suggest not watching it. To be honest, as much as I hear people complaining about fights taking place on the ground, I am surprised it is as popular as it is. Grappling takes awhile to understand and adds to the complexity and skill of the sport. Which makes me wonder why they don't watch boxing or K-1 (which both I watch along with MMA).
And yes, I have heard of him, Isn't Jorgan a kick boxer?
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LOL, way ahead of you, just watched his Bob Sapp fight, was wondering what ol Beasty was up to 
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Jihadmeathello: LOL, way ahead of you, just watched his Bob Sapp fight, was wondering what ol Beasty was up to
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Bob Sapp, a giant guy who hits really hard, but swings crazy wide shots that don't land, horrible foot movement, and no gas tank whatsoever. Jorgen beat him in about a minute. Sapp is kind of a spectacle fighter.
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Mixed Martial Arts,-can sport get more violent and bloody,-or is this just the beginning.....
Actually it has become LESS violent since ZUFFA purchased PRIDE in 2007 where head stomps , kicks and knees to downed opponents were legal. Don't see that anymore. Plus the BEGINNING had headbutts and groin shots and a lot more. I love MMA (check my photos) and its perfect as it is now and should not be changed.
Actually it has become LESS violent since ZUFFA purchased PRIDE in 2007 where head stomps , kicks and knees to downed opponents were legal. Don't see that anymore. Plus the BEGINNING had headbutts and groin shots and a lot more. I love MMA (check my photos) and its perfect as it is now and should not be changed.
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Being a sportsman myself,and son of a light heavy weight pro,-it runs in my family,and I´ve always been enthiuasmed by the great art of boxing....,but that was then....
The world has changed,and become more violent,-violence has become legitimite,-and so has sport....
What almost seemed impossible 2 decades ago is now fully accepted,as entertainment....We call it shootfight,K1 or MMA,-and it draws great crowds...
I have quite a few friends doing this,and meet ´em every day at the gym,-but....is this really sane.....
Crowds screaming for blood....as entertainment,-just like gladiators....,has sheer violence become something to consider "normal"...
If this is seen as "normal" now,what will it be in 2 decades from now?
Slamming heads with bats,just to entertain people..as blood&violence amuses the crowds....,and call it modern?
Should a line be drawn,-or is this only reflecting where the world is heading.....
And where should the line be drawn,-or should it have been drawn ages ago......