You meet someone but find out belatedly that they're a churchgoer. I know a lot of men and women who will just go along in order to make the relationship work, and for a lot of them it works. There are a lot of non-believers who go to church, just as there are many ministers and priests who went to seminary school and are non-believers.
Me, I have to be up-front about the fact that I have no use for religion, so I'd have to say that, should I meet someone, she'll have to be a non-believer like me.
But we're all different. Many don't consider belief or non-belief to be important these days. I'd say that accounts for the majority of Western people these days.
How about you? How do you treat the religion thing, if and when it arises?
carenzanear the sea, South Holland Netherlands3,113 posts
gsmonks: You meet someone but find out belatedly that they're a churchgoer. I know a lot of men and women who will just go along in order to make the relationship work, and for a lot of them it works. There are a lot of non-believers who go to church, just as there are many ministers and priests who went to seminary school and are non-believers.
Me, I have to be up-front about the fact that I have no use for religion, so I'd have to say that, should I meet someone, she'll have to be a non-believer like me.
But we're all different. Many don't consider belief or non-belief to be important these days. I'd say that accounts for the majority of Western people these days.
How about you? How do you treat the religion thing, if and when it arises?
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
If we're talking organised religion, I cannot live with it.
However, I've come across a few posts expressing belief systems that are non-damaging, non-controlling, just respectful and awed by the enormity and beauty of life, the Universe and everything. I can live with that.
I trully don't like all the dogma and "brainwashing" that comes from religion. I would prefer a spiritual person who does not access their spirituality through church.
However, it would ALL depend on the person and what their reason for attending church is.
If it's to fit in with other people's and the religious establishment's opinion of him, I'd run a mile.
If it's because that is his personal time, (like meditation) where he connects with the divine energies, I would respect that.
trueheart1941brentwood essex, Essex, England UK8,005 posts
EagleWoman: I trully don't like all the dogma and "brainwashing" that comes from religion. I would prefer a spiritual person who does not access their spirituality through church.
However, it would ALL depend on the person and what their reason for attending church is.
If it's to fit in with other people's and the religious establishment's opinion of him, I'd run a mile.
If it's because that is his personal time, (like meditation) where he connects with the divine energies, I would respect that.
hi E/W.....the only thing i belive in is.......true ..love....is that a good belief.....????
jac379: If we're talking organised religion, I cannot live with it.
However, I've come across a few posts expressing belief systems that are non-damaging, non-controlling, just respectful and awed by the enormity and beauty of life, the Universe and everything. I can live with that.
I would go along with that. But what about taking it to the extremes of tomato worship ? "Nowt stranger than folks".... as they say ....
jac379: If we're talking organised religion, I cannot live with it.
However, I've come across a few posts expressing belief systems that are non-damaging, non-controlling, just respectful and awed by the enormity and beauty of life, the Universe and everything. I can live with that.
trueheart1941: hi E/W.....the only thing i belive in is.......true ..love....is that a good belief.....????
Only YOU know that that TH. Many people call true love the kind that binds the person in a golden cage of limitations dictated by their own selfish needs. IMO, a cage is a cage no matter what metal it's made off or how beautiful the material drapped over it is.
BTW I don't call monogamy and honesty a limitation.
carenzanear the sea, South Holland Netherlands3,113 posts
jac379: If we're talking organised religion, I cannot live with it.
However, I've come across a few posts expressing belief systems that are non-damaging, non-controlling, just respectful and awed by the enormity and beauty of life, the Universe and everything. I can live with that.
what you said Jac, I wanted to say too....but couldn't find the words to express myself.
I can't live with organised religion too....
I am faithfull, but to my own faith and keep it private.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
gsmonks: Wow. Nicely put.
Thank you.
Below is a partial quote from one of my recent threads. I don't have permission to quote it, but the passion, awe and excitement in it makes me smile, so I hope lostblubird won't mind.
lostblubird: ...Break out of that shell, people. "God" is more than that. "God" is not a being, it's a thing. It's why one person has blue eyes and another has brown. It's why there is a chemical reaction in your brain that makes you feel love for someone else. It's why the earth spins and the universe is expanding. The bible got it right when it said "god" is in everyone and everything, big and small. For me personally, "god" describes all aspects of mathematics. From astrophysics (big space math) to AMO physics (very tiny atom math) math explains or (I believe)will explain every single detail in the universe and beyond.
gsmonks: You meet someone but find out belatedly that they're a churchgoer. I know a lot of men and women who will just go along in order to make the relationship work, and for a lot of them it works. There are a lot of non-believers who go to church, just as there are many ministers and priests who went to seminary school and are non-believers.
Me, I have to be up-front about the fact that I have no use for religion, so I'd have to say that, should I meet someone, she'll have to be a non-believer like me.
But we're all different. Many don't consider belief or non-belief to be important these days. I'd say that accounts for the majority of Western people these days.
How about you? How do you treat the religion thing, if and when it arises?
gsmonks, for me it is a matter of practicality. How I can I build up a relationship with someone who believes she is or should be guided by values dictated by some invisible man in the sky who watches everything she does etc and not by common sense.
And just imagine, having common children an see them being brainwashed by a religious zealot!
Stylian: gsmonks, for me it is a matter of practicality. How I can I build up a relationship with someone who believes she is or should be guided by values dictated by some invisible man in the sky who watches everything she does etc and not by common sense.
And just imagine, having common children an see them being brainwashed by a religious zealot!
I say NO. That is mental poisoning...
And when will Human Rights prevent the indoctrination of children in to the religion of their parents ..... ... an impossible task but just a thought to ponder.
Below is a partial quote from one of my recent threads. I don't have permission to quote it, but the passion, awe and excitement in it makes me smile, so I hope lostblubird won't mind.
Exactly! Like the realisation that awe is that connectedness that goes right through you as you stare at the stars or at a sunset. I don't know what the right words are, except that in those moments, you're in a state of deep emotional knowledge and recognition, if such a thing can be said.
RDM59: And when will Human Rights prevent the indoctrination of children in to the religion of their parents ..... ... an impossible task but just a thought to ponder.
Indeed, the society has not progressed enough sadly...
RDM59: And when will Human Rights prevent the indoctrination of children in to the religion of their parents ..... ... an impossible task but just a thought to ponder.
Good point R.
I was raised catholic, my kids father is an atheist but was raised protestant ...
My kids aren't baptised. One of the things we did agree on () was that they should make their own choices if and when they decide to.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
RDM59: And when will Human Rights prevent the indoctrination of children in to the religion of their parents ..... ... an impossible task but just a thought to ponder.
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Me, I have to be up-front about the fact that I have no use for religion, so I'd have to say that, should I meet someone, she'll have to be a non-believer like me.
But we're all different. Many don't consider belief or non-belief to be important these days. I'd say that accounts for the majority of Western people these days.
How about you? How do you treat the religion thing, if and when it arises?