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Mar 9, 2007 10:41 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
Some might argue that this book from Milan Kundera it is about love, and it is just on the surface.
If we look deeper it's a treatise about two important things:
First of all the lightness of being which refers to the fact that most of us pass by this life, but life does not pass by us. We don't leave any legacy to be remember in the future.
Second of all the difference between casualty and causality, basically what the book says is that anything is this life happens without a reason. Everything is so perfectly design that for every circumstance there is a cause. If you see the matrix reloaded in a dialogue between Agent Smith and Neo there is also a well explained reference to this fact.
What do u think? if the topic interests you
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Mar 9, 2007 10:50 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
Have I told you that I like you today, Miguel?grin

For me, I am lightness, I am life.

This is not in an arrogant ego driven mindset, but in an acceptance that I am all, and none.

That we are all inter-connested, and are all one, in this same dreaming.

Life, and this time in this body, for me, is a series of lessons, the term karmically, can be used for want of a term, and it is up to me to see the cause, 'The Lesson" in every part of my journey.

Light is vibration, an anergy that has vibration which can be scientifically proven, and for me, it is up to me on this life journey, to aspire to and accept all lessons, then to let go of the ego driven stumblings, so that my energy, my vibration, and 'life design', is acheived, and I may move closer to the same vibations as light, what I call 'going home'.
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Mar 9, 2007 10:53 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
Hi my dear lady vader. I also like u not just today but every single day.
U r so deep in ur thoughts, and i like u because u make me think ur words linger on my mind, and i always learn something good from u
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Mar 9, 2007 11:05 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
iRon12345
iRon12345iRon12345Tempe, USA35 Threads 2,473 Posts
The awareness of causality is an enlightening moment professor
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Mar 9, 2007 11:07 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
and few people are enlighted on such manner
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Mar 9, 2007 11:08 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
native_grl38
native_grl38native_grl38Belleville, Canada10 Threads 4,332 Posts
I have always believed everything happens for a reason...some days we are just too damn blind to see what those reasons are...BUT eventually we get an "OH YEAH" moment!!!!!!!!


laugh conversing grin
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Mar 9, 2007 11:09 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
iRon12345
iRon12345iRon12345Tempe, USA35 Threads 2,473 Posts
And sadly far too many are notmoping sigh
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Mar 9, 2007 11:09 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
iRon12345
iRon12345iRon12345Tempe, USA35 Threads 2,473 Posts
And sadly far too many are not sigh
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Mar 10, 2007 4:37 AM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
artgurl0927
artgurl0927artgurl0927Heart of the Valley, Canada12 Threads 2,442 Posts
I am so in like with you Miguel with these thought provoking threads hug

I feel like I have arrived home because your threads ask the same questions and explore the same waters that I do with my visual work.

I share very similar philosophies with Lee. I believe that nothing is separate - I am part of all that is and as such am the lightness I seek. The illusion of separateness allows me to experience interaction, emotion and life through the 5 senses.

I used to think in terms of karma and lessons...these days it is more like a series of experiences ... I try not to label them as good and bad - they just are. That doesn't mean that I like them all - it just means that I acknowledge my part in their creation. Yes I believe there is a cause for every circumstance and by changing my awareness I can change the outcome.

I do not believe that life is happening to me. I believe that I am in a constant state of co-creation with a universe that is constantly creating. If I want a different expression of life than I have created then I need to become more mindful of what I put forth into the cosmic soup.

We pass by this life and we grab on to what we can. I believe we do leave a legacy of sorts in the people we meet and touch. I also believe there is an energetic resonance to everything so I wonder if we don't leave some kind of enegetic footprint. And if we do ... do we pick up traces of those who have gone before?

Interesting discussion.....
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Mar 10, 2007 4:41 AM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
Footprints....

I walk in yours...those you have left for me to see, and those of so many others...

Traces of you, and I, an essence, a scent...

A knowing.
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Mar 10, 2007 7:16 AM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
Frenchgirl2know
Frenchgirl2knowFrenchgirl2knowChicago, USA29 Threads 2,548 Posts
"History is just as light that the individual's life, unbearably light, light like a down, like a dust that flies off, like a thing that is going to disappear tomorrow."
I like Milan Kundera
yay

What do I think? It is a philosophic way...(it could take two or three posts for me to explain!)

Our knowledge are limited, our character and our will it is also.
We are condemned to decide according to our miserable knowledge, subject to our particular situations.
If we are free of our acts, then we are not free of their consequences. However these are the consequences of our acts that we want to orient, no our very acts.
Between the two, the relation is sometimes obvious, sometimes complicated and subject to training and correction, but as sometimes inaccessible.

Example: I am free to travel anywhere. However, where I want to go?
I want to go where I will find the woman/man of my life. But I cannot know where she/he can be.
Therefore I am not free to go where I want.

The luck appears therefore to the level of the choices and the individual destiny, as being the expression of the important consequences that we undergo our own acts when these consequences are not to have no report of sense with the intention that these acts expressed.
So we are responsible for what happens to us because what happens to us is consequence of our choices, but it takes place of a manner that we could not foresee to control nor.

We are therefore, in spite of a certain liberty and therefore responsibility that glues to our skin somewhere, finally submitted to the insidious dictatorship of the luck.

And God cannot help us to achieve what we want because he leaves us free of our acts.
It can have total disproportion there between an act and its consequences.

The least reflex or the least hesitation can hire the whole life.

uh oh Sorry of that long post... grin
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Mar 10, 2007 7:21 AM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
Musicalle
MusicalleMusicalleHalifax, Nova Scotia Canada19 Threads 415 Posts
Hey there,

I hate to admit this... but I will..... I believe in the fact that everything happens for a reason... and I also believe in Serendipity... (an accidental discovery)... like... the guy who invented penicillin.. was actually researching something else, and low and behold.......

However, I really do not understand what this 'matrix reloaded' stuff is all about...... and some of the 'philisophical' stuff is really just plain beyond my scope of understanding....

A lot of people would not admit that.. but hey... I'm not above admitting I don't understand something...

yay
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Mar 10, 2007 6:16 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
I must say that I don't believe in luck, everything we don now has a consequence in the future, we may not be able to see it or distinguish it, but with time and a lot of thinking we will see it (well not all of us just the people who actually live their lifes from the inside, the others who live on the surface they will not see it)
I also believe on those accidents in which we find things that we weren't expecting, and we learn from it.
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Mar 10, 2007 9:37 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
those accidents we think happen... always seem to be right on time, though. ALWAYS.

I look behind me, and the shadow is long...yet, I see my footprints following me...

I am light, and dark... life and infinite nowhere...connected to everything...

we carry our pasts with us... and, what we do catches up...either here, or the next , next...
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Mar 10, 2007 9:43 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
I carry your past, as you carry mine....

i hear my pasts, calling softly on the breeze...all our pasts


these footprints straggle and stray so...


they weave and stumble,


And when it seems I've lost the way, I realise it is not I walking,


but you carrying me, where I could not bear to tread....

hug
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Mar 10, 2007 9:46 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
hello lovelyhug kiss
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Mar 10, 2007 9:48 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
hello angel...I see you...I feel you...I love you..hug kiss
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Mar 10, 2007 10:20 PM CST The unbeareable lightness of being
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
i love so large, and far!

feel you and when you go for that swim, and meet the ocean... take me with you!

close my eyes
and, slip away for hither and yon
to meet loves and touch upon brows...
enter the being of spirit
and, it just me... only Me
take me into the water
and I will taste the salts
let the breezes wash over my time
the meeting well, yet breif
and feeling subtle, and soft
let your chest fill with lightness
and I saw
hello, you...
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