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Mar 11, 2007 7:56 PM CST eminent domain
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
do u think that the government should be allowed to take your property even if they have a good public reason to do it, and the government full compensates you for the taking?
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Mar 11, 2007 8:00 PM CST eminent domain
cutelildevilsmom
cutelildevilsmomcutelildevilsmomportsmouth, New Hampshire USA60 Threads 7,772 Posts
not if its a private developer greasing the hands of local government officials with graft....no one should have their home taken from them .dont fool yourself either,the government does not pay fair market value.
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Mar 11, 2007 8:02 PM CST eminent domain
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
yup. hard.

I might go with no.

I'm for progress and all... but, I just don't think government should have the power to take what they want and call it good... Less and less true neighbourhoods exist, and from things I've seen, very few new jobs come into play because of it now days...

I just dunno.
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Mar 11, 2007 8:02 PM CST eminent domain
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
well, I know that. I'm just asking out of what the florida statute says about eminent domain
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Mar 11, 2007 8:04 PM CST eminent domain
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
However, it is in the Constitution that the government has the power to take private property only, and just only for a well justified public purpose.
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Mar 11, 2007 8:07 PM CST eminent domain
cutelildevilsmom
cutelildevilsmomcutelildevilsmomportsmouth, New Hampshire USA60 Threads 7,772 Posts
from what i understand Congress was looking to change the emminant domain law because of abuses.I think the current rule is quite vague.
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Mar 11, 2007 8:07 PM CST eminent domain
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
If there is no right of eminent domain there will be no new roads, airports, new parks, new schools....

Property ownership is always conditional. For example, property ownership does not convey sovereignty to the owner? Why not? For the same reason, we have eminent domain.

True, individual property owners can get displaced, but they do receive compensation, and often far more than the property is worth. The people I feel sorry for are those who live next door to a public construction -- like an airport or expanded highway -- who don't get any compensation though their property value may take a nose-dive due to the noise or other nuisance of the facility.

conversing conversing conversing
Oceans
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Mar 11, 2007 8:07 PM CST eminent domain
RillyNiceGuy
RillyNiceGuyRillyNiceGuySoutheast, Arkansas USA839 Threads 13,003 Posts
If they could not, then one person could hold up a project that would be for the better of the country or public. Progress would be stopped for the sake of one persons self centered wants or even greed.

If a man had a chicken house right where a road HAD to built in order to better the whole area with jobs. Should he keep his chicken house while all his fellows lose all they own for lack of work.
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Mar 11, 2007 8:09 PM CST eminent domain
cutelildevilsmom
cutelildevilsmomcutelildevilsmomportsmouth, New Hampshire USA60 Threads 7,772 Posts
then why buy a house??
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Mar 11, 2007 8:11 PM CST eminent domain
TabooN
TabooNTabooNClaremont, USA47 Threads 12,843 Posts
I don't feel they've just at all...

Do you? Private property is the concern for me. Lands have been taken and ruined in the cause of thier justice...comunities...people...
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Mar 11, 2007 8:12 PM CST eminent domain
LaL35p4dNx79p3dW
LaL35p4dNx79p3dWLaL35p4dNx79p3dWSanford, North Carolina USA440 Posts
I suppose a lot of people can see the "public good" with eminent domain, until it's their property being hijacked.professor
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Mar 11, 2007 8:17 PM CST eminent domain
cutelildevilsmom
cutelildevilsmomcutelildevilsmomportsmouth, New Hampshire USA60 Threads 7,772 Posts
i think your land should be sovereign....why displace people??
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Mar 11, 2007 8:17 PM CST eminent domain
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
Good question, Jax. Well, several reasons to buy a house, I think.

1. To receive the value of its appreciation
2. To have freedom within zoning requirements to modify the house and proerty
3. To have a sense of being 'at home'

What other reasons might there be?

And yes, this is all conditional upon overriding laws: sovereignty, eminent domain, sanitation laws and regulations, air rights, mineral rights...my gosh! Lots of things constraining property rights now that I think about it!

No wonder I am liquidating real estate and making myself mobile!

One of the truly free places on this planet is the ocean, outside the territorial waters of the various states. Once asea, a boat's skipper can dispense medications and perform marriages, among other responsibilities and duties.

Great thread, Lonely Walker! Great comments, everyone!

conversing hug conversing

Oceans
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Mar 11, 2007 8:18 PM CST eminent domain
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
Man, isn't this the truth!

cheers
Oceans
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Mar 11, 2007 8:18 PM CST eminent domain
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
Whole ecosystems, wildlife, greenbelts...all sorts of ramifications...in the name of progress..


Sorry for me, it is not progress it is regress...a little more world dies, as we then have to rehouse the already housed who have been moved on.

And who says we own anything????


This is not MY land...I get to be a guest here...
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Mar 11, 2007 8:19 PM CST eminent domain
cutelildevilsmom
cutelildevilsmomcutelildevilsmomportsmouth, New Hampshire USA60 Threads 7,772 Posts
Permission to come aboard Captain..banana
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Mar 11, 2007 8:20 PM CST eminent domain
TheLonelyWalker
TheLonelyWalkerTheLonelyWalkerDebary, USA42 Threads 565 Posts
I do believe in eminent domain, as long as there is a fair compensation to the owner. houses and lands can be replaced, plus if there is a well justified public interest
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Mar 11, 2007 8:20 PM CST eminent domain
LaL35p4dNx79p3dW
LaL35p4dNx79p3dWLaL35p4dNx79p3dWSanford, North Carolina USA440 Posts
I like the idea of being able to live on the sea, seens there would be many advantages. I do not have the expertise, though, to figure out how to deal with the weather.
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Mar 11, 2007 8:23 PM CST eminent domain
cutelildevilsmom
cutelildevilsmomcutelildevilsmomportsmouth, New Hampshire USA60 Threads 7,772 Posts
pray...laugh
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Mar 11, 2007 8:24 PM CST eminent domain
oceans5555
oceans5555oceans5555Chevy Chase, USA4 Threads 803 Posts
Right. Well, the vast majority of people never get displaced. A few people do, due to the reasons noted above -- but at least they do get compensated and sometimes quite generously. In some countries, of course, property ownership protection is non-existent.

Hernando de Soto wrote a fascinating book about this.

The situation in the US is pretty good about this, I think.

I know a couple of property owners who have deliberately bought land in the way of expected roads or other public needs. They expect to cash in big-time. The one I know in Colorado has just received a massive settlement ruling from the courts where an eminent domain case was adjudicated. He will make a massive profit.

conversing cheers conversing
Oceans
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