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Jun 21, 2007 6:12 AM CST Mathematical Problem
littlewriter
littlewriterlittlewriterclose-ish to belfast, UK17 Threads 1,007 Posts
i can't do it! you defo need more info! (or else im just wrong lol)
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Jun 21, 2007 6:12 AM CST Mathematical Problem
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
Again, a firearm analogy: Without out knowing the pressure behind the mass displacement, then the only way to determine velocity (as in muzzle velocity with out knowing pressures developed by a specific powder/propellant charge) would be with a chronometer. Or at least that would be the easiest way...
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Jun 21, 2007 6:14 AM CST Mathematical Problem
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece183 Threads 2,961 Posts
Well we can assume the pressure at the end of the pipe is the pressure at sea level P=1 atm.
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Jun 21, 2007 6:18 AM CST Mathematical Problem
bulldog66
bulldog66bulldog66doncaster, UK35 Threads 3,680 Posts
no it would be 1 atmosphere over dispacement i think.........hell i did my degree over 20 years ago........wish i handnt looked out the windows in cals n science lol..............
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Jun 21, 2007 6:19 AM CST Mathematical Problem
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece183 Threads 2,961 Posts
Well let me tell you something. The only way to calculate the velocity is to know the pressure diffrence between the start of the pipe and the end of the pipe. The pressure difference is the driving force...Then you can write an energy conservation equation and find the velocity at the end of the pipe.
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Jun 21, 2007 6:20 AM CST Mathematical Problem
joy555
joy555joy555Akron, USA26 Threads 5,464 Posts
jaw drop
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Jun 21, 2007 6:20 AM CST Mathematical Problem
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece183 Threads 2,961 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 21, 2007 6:21 AM CST Mathematical Problem
bulldog66
bulldog66bulldog66doncaster, UK35 Threads 3,680 Posts
lets just take the pressure hypertheically at one(1)bar n get a ball park
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Jun 21, 2007 6:23 AM CST Mathematical Problem
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
True, but that still doesn't give us enough information.

I've been building and tinkering with guns my whole life and specialize in muzzleloaders and this is nothing more than a "steam gun." Or at least it can thought of in those terms. (Helps my feeble brain to associate with things I know about. lol) And without knowing the initial head pressure, i.e., propellant force, we cannot safely and surely conclude a velocity without a chronometer.
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Jun 21, 2007 6:27 AM CST Mathematical Problem
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
Good Lord! I just realized that it's 7:20 A.M. here and I'm thinking about things I don't usually consider before lunch!

Y'all are making my brain hurt! I'm a country boy! I'm not SUPPOSED to be smart this early in the morning!laugh
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Jun 21, 2007 6:27 AM CST Mathematical Problem
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece183 Threads 2,961 Posts
OK. The Bernoulli equation is



[P1/d +u1^2/2+gz1=P2/d+u2^2/2+gz2


P1 is the pressure at the start of the pipe, u1 is the initial velocity, g is the accelaration of gravity, z1 and z2 are the heights of the start and the end of the pipe from the ground and u2 is the velocity you ask.
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Jun 21, 2007 6:32 AM CST Mathematical Problem
belle26
belle26belle26Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England UK15 Threads 1,661 Posts
Unless you need help with Taxation, VAT or any other Accountancy issues, i'm stumped!dunno
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Jun 21, 2007 6:33 AM CST Mathematical Problem
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
Ok, now it's starting to make sense! The last time I accidently listened to U2, I ran from the room at approximately 60 mph.

*Politely bows out in search of more mundane problems like "Dang! I wonder if there's any coffee left? I sure hope it ain't steamin'!"
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Jun 21, 2007 6:33 AM CST Mathematical Problem
littlewriter
littlewriterlittlewriterclose-ish to belfast, UK17 Threads 1,007 Posts
just remembered why i hated physics!
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Jun 21, 2007 6:34 AM CST Mathematical Problem
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece183 Threads 2,961 Posts
Women!!!!!!tongue tongue
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Jun 21, 2007 6:35 AM CST Mathematical Problem
belle26
belle26belle26Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England UK15 Threads 1,661 Posts
I was in the jumping out of the window class for Physics!
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Jun 21, 2007 6:35 AM CST Mathematical Problem
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece183 Threads 2,961 Posts
And d is the desnity of the steam.
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Jun 21, 2007 6:37 AM CST Mathematical Problem
littlewriter
littlewriterlittlewriterclose-ish to belfast, UK17 Threads 1,007 Posts
don't "woman" me!!!

scold rolling on the floor laughing tongue
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Jun 21, 2007 6:38 AM CST Mathematical Problem
littlewriter
littlewriterlittlewriterclose-ish to belfast, UK17 Threads 1,007 Posts
i was the only female in my physics class! all the others quit after about a month! lol
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Jun 21, 2007 6:40 AM CST Mathematical Problem
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
And "thick" is the density of my head at 07:30 and yes! My coffee is steaming! I wonder how the garden is doing? (And I still don't like listening to U2! laugh )
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