U.S. deserters lose bid for Canada refugee status (3)

Nov 16, 2007 8:52 AM CST U.S. deserters lose bid for Canada refugee status
curlywolf
curlywolfcurlywolfmontreal, Quebec Canada402 Threads 7,052 Posts
What's ur take on this,should they be allowed to stay or not?

Thu Nov 15, 5:05 PM

By Randall Palmer and Lynne Olver

OTTAWA/TORONTO (Reuters) - Two Americans who deserted the U.S. Army to protest against the war in Iraq lost their bid for refugee status in Canada on Thursday, and the Canadian government made it clear they were no longer welcome.


The Supreme Court of Canada declined to hear appeals from the two men, Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, over decisions by immigration authorities -- backed in two subsequent court rulings -- that they were not refugees in need of protection.


Opposing the war on the belief that it was illegal and immoral, the two deserted when they learned their units would be deployed to Iraq, and came to Canada.


If deported to the United States, they say they face a court martial and up to five years in prison.


During the Vietnam War, Canada was a haven for tens of thousands of draft dodgers and deserters. But Hinzman and Hughey were volunteers rather than conscripts.


Their backers urged the government to let them stay in Canada anyhow, but this met with little sympathy from Ottawa.


"Canadians want a refugee system that helps true refugees," said Mike Fraser, spokesman for Citizenship and Immigration Minister Diane Finley.


"All refugee claimants in Canada have the right to due process and when they have exhausted those legal avenues we expect them to respect our laws and leave the country."


He declined to comment on whether active steps would be taken to deport the two men to the United States. In any case, it could still take months before they can be sent away, said Lee Zaslofsky of the War Resisters Support Campaign.


"They won't be deported tomorrow; there is a process," said Zaslofsky, himself a Vietnam War deserter. He said the immigration department would ask if the two men want to do a "pre-removal risk assessment," which can take months.


An immigration spokeswoman, Karen Chadd-Evelyn, said such an assessment would judge whether in the United States they would be at risk of torture, death or cruel and unusual punishment or treatment.


They can also apply for permanent residence in Canada on humanitarian or compassionate grounds.


The War Resisters Support Campaign, aware of some 55 deserters who have come to Canada since 2004, said they would press for a political way to let the deserters stay.


"It's up to (politicians) if they want to give resisters access to Canada, as they did during the Vietnam War," Michelle Robidoux said in the group's small Toronto office.


The small opposition New Democratic Party said it would introduce a motion calling on the House of Commons immigrations committee to hold immediate hearings on the issue.


Meanwhile, one stratagem appeared to be for resisters to use the legal system to enable them to stay longer in Canada.


One deserter who still hopes to stay is Kimberly Rivera, from Mesquite, Texas. She came to Canada in February with her husband and two small children while on a two-week army leave, after spending three months on security duty in Iraq.

Despite the Supreme Court's refusal to hear the Hinzman and Hughey appeals, Rivera said she plans to continue filing court appeals in her own case. "I'm sure it's going to be denied but at least it gives us more time here," she said.
Nov 16, 2007 4:39 PM CST U.S. deserters lose bid for Canada refugee status
Brew01
Brew01Brew01Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada58 Threads 1,613 Posts
The government is willing to kick them out of Canada because those men don't want to kill or be killed, and yet here in BC we have someone in politics (not sure of name, or even to what level of politics he's in) who on Rememberance day placed a wriath in for the honor of those that died in the war, and he himself deserted The Vietnam Conflict and fled to Canada..my theroy is, if they kick these two men out, then they should kick EVERYONE out including those in the Canadian politics.
I myself have often wondered, just what the powers of the world would do if one country declared war on another, and when the time came to send their troops into battle, if every soldier simply said, "No, I won't go", dropped their guns and sat down..Hmm maybe peace..now there's an idea
Nov 16, 2007 6:55 PM CST U.S. deserters lose bid for Canada refugee status
Mort_A_Moose
Mort_A_MooseMort_A_MooseAthabasca, Canada11 Threads 282 Posts
An interesting situation,....and don't get me wrong, I am AGAINST war, however, were they not volunteers? Just what did they think their "jobs" were going to entail when they joined the military of a superpower known for its "war machine"?

I have a couple of friends who are indeed "draft dodgers" from the Vietnam war days. They were conscripted, and as civilians, ran like hell for the border. Cool. But these guys had joined the war machine - and what? They didn't expect to maybe have to someday go to war? Still, I can most certainly sympathize,...

But in today's world when you have your Stephen Bush's and George W. Harpers, what can you expect?
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