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Jun 7, 2008 12:40 AM CSTIf the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario, Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts

If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain(Vote Below)

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Who would it be and why???????????????


Obama vs. McCain

A bit about the candidates:

John McCain is a solid favorite to win the Republican presidential nomination. Barack Obama is an ever-so-slight underdog on the Democratic side.

Obama-McCain, however, would be a dream general-election matchup, the most defining American presidential race since at least 1980. Just think of the contrasts.

The age gap between the 46-year-old Obama and the 71-year-old McCain would be the widest in the history of presidential elections. (The current record: 1996, with Bob Dole 23 years older than Bill Clinton.) Before Obama was even born, McCain was shocking his uptight naval colleagues by bringing a stripper dubbed the "Flame of Florida" to the Officers' Club.

More than any other Republican or Democrat, they appeal to independent-minded voters while still parting ways on crucial issues. On Iraq, taxes, health care and the Supreme Court, the differences between these two men are profound. McCain would want to focus a race on national security and terrorism, Obama on domestic concerns and economic insecurity.

"This would be an extraordinary contest, an opportunity to see striking contrasts, from age to public philosophy," says Tom Mann, a political scientist at the Brookings Institution, based in Washington.

Today in Americas
2 top leaders of U.S. Air Force pushed out Excitement in France over Obama victoryCase of Canadian sent to Syria under reviewIt would be change versus experience, the audacity of hope versus the faith of our fathers.

A small though instructive moment of discord marked their first real engagement. It was in early 2006, and they were the leading point men for their parties in trying to fashion an ethics bill for the Senate.

The Senate Democratic leadership, which had put the freshman Illinoisan in a visible role for public relations reasons, pressed him to back off on dealing with McCain. Obama acquiesced, sending a letter to McCain, yet releasing it to the media first.

A vintage McCain explosion followed. He issued a response to Obama - giving it to the media first - blasting his Democratic colleague for "self-interested partisan posturing" and then sarcastically apologizing for "assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobby-reform legislation were sincere." He concluded by expressing "no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness."

The letter was actually written by his chief of staff, Mark Salter; he is McCain's alter ego, and it reflected McCain's feelings and instructions.

This was the talk of the town for days, a diatribe-laden rift between two media darlings of the capital. It was a look into Obama's naïveté and McCain's temper, both of which are targets for their opponents in this campaign.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and allies repeatedly suggest that Obama is too green to be president. Succumbing to pressure from other Democrats and sending a careless letter to McCain provided a small illustration of that point.

(Cont'd)....wine
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Jun 7, 2008 12:40 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
Who would it be and why???????????????


Obama vs. McCain

A bit about the candidates:

John McCain is a solid favorite to win the Republican presidential nomination. Barack Obama is an ever-so-slight underdog on the Democratic side.

Obama-McCain, however, would be a dream general-election matchup, the most defining American presidential race since at least 1980. Just think of the contrasts.

The age gap between the 46-year-old Obama and the 71-year-old McCain would be the widest in the history of presidential elections. (The current record: 1996, with Bob Dole 23 years older than Bill Clinton.) Before Obama was even born, McCain was shocking his uptight naval colleagues by bringing a stripper dubbed the "Flame of Florida" to the Officers' Club.

More than any other Republican or Democrat, they appeal to independent-minded voters while still parting ways on crucial issues. On Iraq, taxes, health care and the Supreme Court, the differences between these two men are profound. McCain would want to focus a race on national security and terrorism, Obama on domestic concerns and economic insecurity.

"This would be an extraordinary contest, an opportunity to see striking contrasts, from age to public philosophy," says Tom Mann, a political scientist at the Brookings Institution, based in Washington.

Today in Americas
2 top leaders of U.S. Air Force pushed out Excitement in France over Obama victoryCase of Canadian sent to Syria under reviewIt would be change versus experience, the audacity of hope versus the faith of our fathers.

A small though instructive moment of discord marked their first real engagement. It was in early 2006, and they were the leading point men for their parties in trying to fashion an ethics bill for the Senate.

The Senate Democratic leadership, which had put the freshman Illinoisan in a visible role for public relations reasons, pressed him to back off on dealing with McCain. Obama acquiesced, sending a letter to McCain, yet releasing it to the media first.

A vintage McCain explosion followed. He issued a response to Obama - giving it to the media first - blasting his Democratic colleague for "self-interested partisan posturing" and then sarcastically apologizing for "assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobby-reform legislation were sincere." He concluded by expressing "no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness."

The letter was actually written by his chief of staff, Mark Salter; he is McCain's alter ego, and it reflected McCain's feelings and instructions.

This was the talk of the town for days, a diatribe-laden rift between two media darlings of the capital. It was a look into Obama's naïveté and McCain's temper, both of which are targets for their opponents in this campaign.

Hillary Rodham Clinton and allies repeatedly suggest that Obama is too green to be president. Succumbing to pressure from other Democrats and sending a careless letter to McCain provided a small illustration of that point.

(Cont'd)....wine
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Jun 7, 2008 12:40 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
McCain, it is charged, isn't temperamentally suited to be commander in chief. The blunt missive to Obama two years ago, though relatively minor, underlines that point. Recently, in opposing McCain's presidential bid, Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi, usually a mild-mannered man, described his colleague as "erratic" and "hot headed." McCain's temper so worries him, Cochran said, that "the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine."

manMore instructive in the otherwise amusing and minor matter of the letter is how Obama and McCain then reacted. A few days later, they testified jointly before a Senate committee, both joking about their "pen-pal relationship." They then worked together on ethics legislation and forged a mutual respect.

McCain, as almost always is the case, cooled off. One of his close allies in the Senate recently gloated that he'd had his periodic rite of passage - "John blew up at me this morning." He has a temper. There is little evidence to suggest it clouds his judgment or actions in difficult times. He is a passionate, at times intense, man; he is not out of control.

And Obama learned a valuable lesson from his rookie mistake. The next year, he helped shepherd a sweeping ethics measure through the Senate, displaying none of the naïveté of before.

This was a significant achievement. Although the measure passed overwhelmingly, Democratic leaders had pressured the freshman lawmaker to water down the legislation to protect some of their fund-raising scams.

"Obama has not been the most popular person in our caucus," a top Democrat told The New York Times during some of those tense times. He resisted that pressure and won.

As the 2006 episode suggests, there would be pettiness in any McCain-Obama contest; there is in every election. Each side understandably would demonize the other - the prospects of four more years of the dreaded Bush presidency and an endless quagmire in Iraq, or of an inexperienced and untested leader facing a dangerous world.




May the best win......cheers cheers yay
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Jun 7, 2008 12:43 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA133 Threads 13 Polls 6,929 Posts
Barak!!

The republicans have done enough world damage.
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Jun 7, 2008 12:45 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
rasgumby
rasgumbyrasgumbyMoberly, Missouri USA133 Threads 13 Polls 6,929 Posts
Holy crap girl.............
You are taking a huge risk of being attacked by the war mongers!super
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Jun 7, 2008 12:47 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
rasgumby: Holy crap girl.............
You are taking a huge risk of being attacked by the war mongers!



Well I'm trying to make this as realistic as possible...So I'm remaining neutral on this one...BUT it would be nice if we could just have some good discussions and not attacks....professor wink conversing


I'll be like the Electoral Officer....cool
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Jun 7, 2008 1:06 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK172 Threads 10 Polls 7,930 Posts
Hugz,

You know as well as i do there wont be much of a debate as people are to scared to say what they really think anymore. Theres a whole group who will defend anything and there are others who will look for a scab to pick at.

Look at the Integrity thread for example, what a joke, people and a man grasping for attention when he says everyone has no integrity but he has so hes not coming back, but of course hes there as usual being all consistent!!

I'll debate anything with anyone if they want but when people start o loose they always get abusive and personal in here and the clique thing starts.

People just wont use their brains and stand of for what they believe in.

I'll do an integrity thread later to explain why i was so offended, as i believe some people dont or camt even grasp what it means.

After all if you cant keep your word your nothing right? I'll expand later.

If you can get em to join in Hugz ill be there, they just need a little nudge to get them motivated.
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Jun 7, 2008 1:12 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina106 Threads 6,639 Posts
"The republicans have done enough world damage." quoted from rasgumby


The moment I heard that Obama had won the the nomination I and some others put up more than several thousand euros each on the premise that should he actually win the general election against the Bush prodigy, McCain that should Obama have Clinton as his VP, he will not live out the term of his office starting from the second he completes the taking of his Oath of Office and that would then result in the Clinton woman becoming President of the US and the continued Bush War policy and the further wrecking of the US economy. The Bush policies will go on and possibly become much worse,creating a beautiful opportunity for Marshall law once Obama dies in office.
The amount of bodies behind her and her husband's careers are too many to ignore plus her character as both vengeful and deceitful.
The betting pools in Europe are going full speed with various scenarios and I would venture to say several millions are now on the tables. The rumours around Washington about several notorious betting pools within the House and Senate are just as high if not higher. We figured our odds to be good and so we have bet putting down our scenario and the odds have gone up in our favour by several percentage points...%D
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Jun 7, 2008 1:14 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
RobbieM: Hugz,

You know as well as i do there wont be much of a debate as people are to scared to say what they really think anymore. Theres a whole group who will defend anything and there are others who will look for a scab to pick at.

Look at the Integrity thread for example, what a joke, people and a man grasping for attention when he says everyone has no integrity but he has so hes not coming back, but of course hes there as usual being all consistent!!

I'll debate anything with anyone if they want but when people start o loose they always get abusive and personal in here and the clique thing starts.

People just wont use their brains and stand of for what they believe in.

I'll do an integrity thread later to explain why i was so offended, as i believe some people dont or camt even grasp what it means.

After all if you cant keep your word your nothing right? I'll expand later.

If you can get em to join in Hugz ill be there, they just need a little nudge to get them motivated.



Thanx Rob....Nobody need be afraid of this poll...if they don't want to comment fine...but a vote would nice.....since the way I see it is....If you don't vote then you shouldn't have a say...as with any election...and we all have our opinions....that has been shown on the many political threads....So...we really don't need to debate neccesarliy.....BUT a comment on why they think their choice would make a good leader...would be nice!!!!!!!!!!!


It would be nice to see a fairly realistic opinion on what the world thinks...since I have always advocated that each country...it's representatives...economy etc can have an impact on all of us!!!!!!!!





hug cheers peace
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Jun 7, 2008 1:18 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
Thanx for your opinions so far guys...Keep em coming....wink wave hug teddybear hug peace
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Jun 7, 2008 1:22 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK172 Threads 10 Polls 7,930 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Thanx Rob....Nobody need be afraid of this poll...if they don't want to comment fine...but a vote would nice.....since the way I see it is....If you don't vote then you shouldn't have a say...as with any election...and we all have our opinions....that has been shown on the many political threads....So...we really don't need to debate neccesarliy.....BUT a comment on why they think their choice would make a good leader...would be nice!!!!!!!!!!!It would be nice to see a fairly realistic opinion on what the world thinks...since I have always advocated that each country...it's representatives...economy etc can have an impact on all of us!!!!!!!!


Here's my short contribution!!

If Obhama gets in he wont be able to deliver everything to everyone and his presidency will probably only last 4 years.Either his own will tear him to shreds or the opposition will for making all these promises and not delivering.

If McCain gets in it will be a continuation of the Bush legacy basically and hes getting on now so also about 4 years before the merry-go-round starts again.

That should give people scope to argue/debate.grin
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Jun 7, 2008 1:23 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
RobbieM: Here's my short contribution!!

If Obhama gets in he wont be able to deliver everything to everyone and his presidency will probably only last 4 years.Either his own will tear him to shreds or the opposition will for making all these promises and not delivering.

If McCain gets in it will be a continuation of the Bush legacy basically and hes getting on now so also about 4 years before the merry-go-round starts again.

That should give people scope to argue/debate.



Thanx.....wink wave grin
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Jun 7, 2008 1:30 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
DICEMAN1
DICEMAN1DICEMAN1nowhere, Florida USA1 Threads 193 Posts
hugz whats the other side of your face look like
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Jun 7, 2008 1:31 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
DICEMAN1: hugz whats the other side of your face look like



I don't have one...I lost it in a hunting accident.....professor dunno uh oh
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Jun 7, 2008 1:34 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
desmond
desmonddesmondkissimmee, Florida USA586 Threads 13,816 Posts
Well we have to choices


professor The almost dead guy thumbs down



professor The almost Black guy thumbs up


I take the man who can live for 4 years so I take the almost black guy




cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering
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Jun 7, 2008 1:36 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
desmond: Well we have to choices The almost dead guy
The almost Black guy I take the man who can live for 4 years so I take the almost black guy



Kewwwwwwwlllllllllll....Don't forget to vote......wink cheering hug
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Jun 7, 2008 1:37 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
desmond
desmonddesmondkissimmee, Florida USA586 Threads 13,816 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Kewwwwwwwlllllllllll....Don't forget to vote......



professor I will vote on the way out I am going to get a 12pk for voting yay yay yay yay yay yay


you want to share sweetie grin grin grin
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Jun 7, 2008 1:39 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
desmond: I will vote on the way out I am going to get a 12pk for voting you want to share sweetie



I would love to...BUT I'm on election duty and the last thing we need is another scandal....Maybe when the elections over I can swig back a 12 pack with ya......professor cheers wink kiss teddybear yay
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Jun 7, 2008 1:40 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK172 Threads 10 Polls 7,930 Posts
desmond: Well we have to choices The almost dead guy
The almost Black guy I take the man who can live for 4 years so I take the almost black guy


It's not much of a choice is it? laugh

The choice between a lawyer for a scumbag church or a guy who could drop dead at any minute.Someone better get Ronald McDonald on standby just in case........
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Jun 7, 2008 1:41 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
DICEMAN1
DICEMAN1DICEMAN1nowhere, Florida USA1 Threads 193 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Kewwwwwwwlllllllllll....Don't forget to vote......
who you votin for hugz did you saydunno
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Jun 7, 2008 1:43 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
DICEMAN1: who you votin for hugz did you say



Nope...I can't vote...I'm the Electoral Officer....So I have to remain neutral.....wink


Did you vote yet?????......professor dunno wave
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Jun 7, 2008 1:45 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
desmond
desmonddesmondkissimmee, Florida USA586 Threads 13,816 Posts
RobbieM: It's not much of a choice is it?

The choice between a lawyer for a scumbag church or a guy who could drop dead at any minute.Someone better get Ronald McDonald on standby just in case........



This is true but hiw can you hold him responsible for what other say if we can do that we all be in deep sh#t my only question is what and how he is going to change america that a smiple question and I am waiting for that answer but as for Mc cain her has tryed for like 3 times to be prpresident if he was not good enough the 2 other time he is not good enough now dunno dunno dunno
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Jun 7, 2008 1:47 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Portiea
PortieaPortieaKonstanz, Baden-Wuerttemberg Germany114 Threads 14 Polls 5,448 Posts
In the five years I have been overseas, I have not spoken to one non-American who didn't hate Bush and his war.....therefore, I can't imagine any of them voting for McCain....who may not be exactly like Bush, but is too much like him..and is a repbulican. Pretty sure the people in the areas I've been to: E. and W. Europe/Middle East/N. Africa...at the least the majority...would vote for Obama simply because he is not the same party as Bush.
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Jun 7, 2008 1:51 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
Portiea: In the five years I have been overseas, I have not spoken to one non-American who didn't hate Bush and his war.....therefore, I can't imagine any of them voting for McCain....who may not be exactly like Bush, but is too much like him..and is a repbulican. Pretty sure the people in the areas I've been to: E. and W. Europe/Middle East/N. Africa...at the least the majority...would vote for Obama simply because he is not the same party as Bush.



Thanx...guys and dolls...I appreciate your input and your votes....wink hug teddybear hug bouquet
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Jun 7, 2008 1:52 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
desmond
desmonddesmondkissimmee, Florida USA586 Threads 13,816 Posts
Portiea: In the five years I have been overseas, I have not spoken to one non-American who didn't hate Bush and his war.....therefore, I can't imagine any of them voting for McCain....who may not be exactly like Bush, but is too much like him..and is a repbulican. Pretty sure the people in the areas I've been to: E. and W. Europe/Middle East/N. Africa...at the least the majority...would vote for Obama simply because he is not the same party as Bush.



Bush is an A$$ and a bully and have no idea that to make america work he need help from the world but the dumb A$$ bush is he thinks we don't need the other countries in the world to be successful and as for Mc cain just because he was in the arm forces years ago does that means he know what to do dunno dunno dunno I don't think so
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Jun 7, 2008 1:55 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
woody636
woody636woody636Elgin, Illinois USA4 Threads 1,810 Posts
Got to go with McCain and thats mainly because of Obama's lack of experience. Every time we get a president with no experience, nothing ever gets done. Don't forget McCain was one of the 1st republicans to speak out against Bush's war. He needs the conservative republicans votes if he wants to win, so he'll promise them anything at this point. I think Barack should have waited and run 4 years from now. At that point, I don't think anyone could beat him.
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Jun 7, 2008 1:58 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
woody636: Got to go with McCain and thats mainly because of Obama's lack of experience. Every time we get a president with no experience, nothing ever gets done. Don't forget McCain was one of the 1st republicans to speak out against Bush's war. He needs the conservative republicans votes if he wants to win, so he'll promise them anything at this point. I think Barack should have waited and run 4 years from now. At that point, I don't think anyone could beat him.



Some points being made here in this thread...that's what I like to see...opinions being respected without anyone having to be wrong....handshake cheers handshake


Thanks for your opinion and don't forget to vote!!!!!!!!!!


peace
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Jun 7, 2008 1:58 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
Hugz_n_Kissez: Some points being made here in this thread...that's what I like to see...opinions being respected without anyone having to be wrong.... Thanks for your opinion and don't forget to vote!!!!!!!!!!



*good points....roll eyes professor
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Jun 7, 2008 1:59 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
woody636
woody636woody636Elgin, Illinois USA4 Threads 1,810 Posts
My vote is in. Should be interesting to see what the results end up!
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Jun 7, 2008 2:00 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada82 Threads 3 Polls 34,865 Posts
woody636: My vote is in. Should be interesting to see what the results end up!



Yeah it will be...once the votes get up there some....thumbs up
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Jun 7, 2008 2:01 AM CST If the World Could Vote For The Next U.S. President......Obama vs. McCain
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK172 Threads 10 Polls 7,930 Posts
desmond: This is true but hiw can you hold him responsible for what other say if we can do that we all be in deep sh#t my only question is what and how he is going to change america that a smiple question and I am waiting for that answer but as for Mc cain her has tryed for like 3 times to be prpresident if he was not good enough the 2 other time he is not good enough now


Desmond,

Deep shit is where you are now, but thankfully hilary isnt going to be involved.I think she would have been the far most dangerous option.

I hope whoever gets in thinks before just acting from now on, that would be a dramatic change.As long as their credible and bring some dignity to the office of the presidency that would be a big step forward.

Whoever get the top job will have a lot of broken fences to fix thats for sure.
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