Silentcliche Forum Posts (71)

RE: Biases againt Pakistan

Why are you surprised the media is twisting things to its own end. FOX and CNN could make Switzerland look like a war zone and most dangerous place to live if they put their mind to it. I think most intelligent people realise that Pakistan is not as bad as it is portrayed in Western Media.

RE: Gerry Adams

I agree with a lot of that but I also want an apology. I don't think Britain and Ireland can move forward without the British Goverment and people aknowledging the oppression and wrongs inflicted in Irish people in the past. Many countries today have apologised for wrong doing by their countrymen in the past. Germany and Japan being two.

RE: The demise of great britain now The united Kingdom

When it comes to production I don't think any western country can compete with the likes of China. Labour costs in many Eastern countries are just so low that companies that need unskilled labour go there. It's not just Britain.

RE: is anchorman the funniest film ever?

Aeroplane
South Park the Movie
Meet the Parents
Young Frankenstein
This is Spinal Tap

RE: is anchorman the funniest film ever?

Dr. Strangelove.

RE: Gerry Adams

Why would I google your cousin. I stated to be eligable for plantation in Ulster you had to be English speaking and Protestant.
You stated this was not true as you had family who were Catholic who returned to Ireland and settled in the Aran Islands.

I pointed out that the Aran Island were not in Ulster so your arguement was null and void and pointed out again that the "British tenants", a term applied to the colonists, were mostly from Scotland and England. They were required to be English-speaking and Protestant. The Scottish colonists were mostly Presbyterian and the English mostly ‘persecuted’ Dissenters. The Plantation of Ulster was the biggest and most successful of the Plantations of Ireland. Ulster was colonised so as to prevent further rebellion, as over the preceding century, it had proven to be the region most resistant to English control.

RE: Gerry Adams

I suggest you Google the Aran Islands. They are not in Ulster. They are off the west Coast of Ireland.

The Plantation of Ulster (Irish: Plandáil Uladh) was the organised colonisation (or plantation) of Ulster—a province of Ireland—by people from Great Britain. Private plantation by wealthy landowners began in 1606, while official plantation controlled by King James I of England and VI of Scotland began in 1609. All land owned by Irish chieftains the Ó Neills and Ó Donnells (along with those of their supporters) were confiscated and used to settle the colonists. This land comprised an estimated half a million acres (4,000 km²) in the counties Tyrconnell, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Cavan, Coleraine and Armagh (wasteland, woodland and bogland were uncounted). Most of the counties Antrim and Down were privately colonised.

The "British tenants", a term applied to the colonists, were mostly from Scotland and England. They were required to be English-speaking and Protestant. The Scottish colonists were mostly Presbyterian and the English mostly ‘persecuted’ Dissenters. The Plantation of Ulster was the biggest and most successful of the Plantations of Ireland. Ulster was colonised so as to prevent further rebellion, as over the preceding century, it had proven to be the region most resistant to English control.

RE: Gerry Adams

To be eligable to be sent to Ulster during the plantation you had to be English Speaking and Protestant. I am meerly explaing why there is a majority of Protestants in Ulster. They were put there and the Catholics displaced so they would be a majority. Does it matter if it happened last year or 500 years ago. It happened and it was wrong.

RE: Gerry Adams

FOR STEVE


Sorry Steve but Conrad made a good point.

Although Hong Kong Island and Kowloon had been ceded to the United Kingdom in perpetuity, the control on the New Territories was a 99-year lease.

That means Hong Kong and Kowloon were meant to be under British control forever!!!!!!! It was the New Territories that were on a 99 year lease. But when China demanded Hong Kong back you folded like a bad poker player.

RE: Gerry Adams

Why are you telling me? It was Steves arguement?

Hong Kong's territory was acquired from three separate treaties: the Treaty of Nanking in 1842, the Treaty of Beijing in 1860, and The Convention for the Extension of Hong Kong Territory in 1898, which gave the United Kingdom the control of Hong Kong Island, Kowloon (area south of Boundary Street), and the New Territories (area north of Boundary Street and south of the Shenzhen River, and outlying islands), respectively. Although Hong Kong Island and Kowloon had been ceded to the United Kingdom in perpetuity, the control on the New Territories was a 99-year lease.

RE: Gerry Adams

Why cause you say so?

RE: Gerry Adams

In a debate people listen to the other sides arguement?????? Yes that happens all the time in political debates.

RE: Gerry Adams

Who said anything about forces making mistakes? I am talking about blowing up buildings full of innocent people because there may be one terrorist suspect in there. That is not done by mistake, it's a tactic!
But because the people who do that wear a uniform and take orders from a western government we are meant to think it's OK. But a so called terrorist grop blows up innocent people to kill some so called legitimate targets and its called terrorism! Both are as bad as each other!!!! The only difference between the so called terrorist groups and the Allied forces in funding!

RE: Gerry Adams

Yes and the British Army have never killed an innocent child. The world is safer, Iraq is safer, Afghanistan is safer since all these wars started. I would say the Iraqui and Afghan people are so grateful to you.

RE: Gerry Adams

Sorry i forgot you were in charge of CS forums. I think its laughable how British people bring up innocent victims in the Northern Ireland and the UK when there have been over 100,000 innocents killed in the UK's current wars. Hypocritical i think is a word that springs to mind.

RE: Gerry Adams

Tell that to mothers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

RE: Conspiracies! What do you believe?

Talk to the guys on the Forged Documents thread. The have gone from laughing at conspiracy theory threads to having one of their own. The really are blinkered folk.

RE: Gerry Adams

So wearing a uniform makes you not a terrorist? Such a load of crap! Who says what way wars should be fought?
The IRA will say they dont target civilians. They are just collateral damage when they target Police/Security Forces/ Economic targets and so on.
Just like when the UK or US blows up a building full of civilians because they say there was a legitimate target in the building. They blow it up from 50 miles away with a smart bomb or attack helicopter.
Whats the difference? Uniforms and funding! Thats it!

RE: Gerry Adams

One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. I am sure White South Africans thought the same of Nelson Mandela. Blwing up a building full of innocent people is wrong no matter who does it. The IRA do it and they are terrorist scum. The UK or US do it in Iraq with a Smart Bomb and they are heros.

RE: PURE HAWK-3rd time around in middle east-nuke um

The US and UK troops have blown up Schools, Markets, Weddings, Hospitals. They do it with attacck Helicopters and smart bombs though. So in your eyes thats OK
Also US and UK troops kill in far more than a dozen ways.
The torture thing I don't think you can comment on. It was far worse than undies on the head. Also you locked people up for years with no proof or trial. If that was happening to US citizans I wonder how long you would act civilaised?

RE: Gerry Adams

Again i never said all English were liars. I know i have won this arguement because you continue to quote things that have not been said. Sign of desperation.

I think you are pathetic. You say 3 WEBSITES are propaganda because you disagree with them. They quote what is in Irish History books. But you can laugh and call this propaganda.

Then you quote one passage from a British Historian as proof. So you are basically saying Irish Historians are wrong as are the web sites but this one British Historian is right.

I am not argueing with you anymore because you are totally discredited and I won this arguement long ago. You have come across as nothing but a bigot who is abviously anti Irish.
Laters

PS there are some quotes from your famous Historian above.

RE: Gerry Adams

Some other facts from Dr. Marjorie Bloy.

The blight destroyed the potato crop of 1845 and by the early autumn of that year it was clear that famine was imminent in Ireland: one of the places worst hit was Skibbereen in Co. Cork. Peel's government was slow to react. Peel said that the Irish had a habit of exaggerating reports of distress. Since he had been Chief Secretary for Ireland between 1812 and 1818, his experience might have told him that there might have had some truth in his comment, but in 1816 he had produced a contingency plan for the government in case economic disaster ever struck Ireland. Consequently his lack of action is difficult to explain. In 1843 the Devonshire Committee had been set up to inquire into the law and practice of land occupation in Ireland and its Report was published in February 1845. In 1847 a digest of its conclusions and evidence were published.

The 'Great Hunger' was one of many famines in Ireland during the first half of the nineteenth century, but the size of the disaster dwarfed those that preceded it. A contemporary comment was that "God sent the blight, but the English made the famine": and to some extent this was true because the governments of both Peel and Lord John Russell did little to help the Irish population.

RE: Gerry Adams

Yes because 3 website quoting the same facts and figures are wrong but the well known (not) BRITISH HISTORIAN Marjorie Bloy has all the facts about a famine that happened in IRELAND. Do me a favour will you!

RE: Gerry Adams

He said..And i quote "I wish they had, then you would be sat here complaining about UDF terrorists being financed by the British and how could Ian Paisley, a terrorist supporter be given power, and complaining about the rights of the majority being trampled by people who used violence to gain political power. It wouldn't have stopped the fighting in Northern Ireland, it would have just meant bombs going off in Dublin pubs rather than London pubs, and Irish politicians being assassinated rather than English ones.

RE: Gerry Adams

I did answer that question. Of course they are Irish! If they are born on this island they are Irish.
You did not wish the IRA spent less time bombing the UK in that post. Youi wished the bombs were going off in Dublin and Irish Politicans were being killed.

RE: Gerry Adams

There are plenty of Protestants in the south! They were never persecuated! So that point is crap!!!!!

RE: Gerry Adams

I wish they had, then you would be sat here complaining about UDF terrorists being financed by the British and how could Ian Paisley, a terrorist supporter be given power, and complaining about the rights of the majority being trampled by people who used violence to gain political power. It wouldn't have stopped the fighting in Northern Ireland, it would have just meant bombs going off in Dublin pubs rather than London pubs, and Irish politicians being assassinated rather than English ones.[/quote]

You also claim not to be anti Irish but just look at what you have written!

RE: Gerry Adams

I dont agree.The reason the troubles started was because of the protestant government treatment of Catholics. With gerrymandering being legal and basic apartheid against the Catholic population.
The Republiv has always had a large enough percentage of Protestants and they were never persecuated. They had the same rights as everyone. Orange lodges in Donegal, Monagahan and Cavan are still going strong. If the British had withdrawn totally in 1921 there would have been some initial problems but the Unionist population would have realised they had the same rights under Irish rule. This did not happen to Catholics under British rule.

RE: Gerry Adams

The only reason there is a majority of unionists in the North of Ireland is because they were put there during the plantations.

The Plantation of Ulster was the organised colonisation of Ulster—a province of Ireland—by people from Great Britain. Private plantation by wealthy landowners began in 1606, while official plantation controlled by King James I of England and VI of Scotland began in 1609. All land owned by Irish chieftains the Ó Neills and Ó Donnells (along with those of their supporters) were confiscated and used to settle the colonists. This land comprised an estimated half a million acres (4,000 km²) in the counties Tyrconnell, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Cavan, Coleraine and Armagh (wasteland, woodland and bogland were uncounted). Most of the counties Antrim and Down were privately colonised.

The "British tenants", a term applied to the colonists, were mostly from Scotland and England. They were required to be English-speaking and Protestant. The Scottish colonists were mostly Presbyterian and the English mostly ‘persecuted’ Dissenters. The Plantation of Ulster was the biggest and most successful of the Plantations of Ireland. Ulster was colonised so as to prevent further rebellion, as over the preceding century, it had proven to be the region most resistant to English control.

RE: Gerry Adams

So because three websites contain the same information it must be correct? Don't make me laugh

Again I could supply a million web sites and you would try to discredit them! You have not told us were you get your so called facts!

The only difference it would have made was WHO was profiting from the majority of hand-to-mouth farmers., You really believe that Irish landlords are somehow more likely to have given more land to the peasant farmers? Rubbish it makes no difference what culture the landlord followed

What Irish Landlords? 96% of the land was English owned. Before the English arrived there was plenty of land for each farmer to grow various different crops!

And if the Irish had followed a sensible form of propety transference they wouldn't have had to rely on the potato and when the blight struck might have suffered far fewer deaths

If the Irish had control of their own land they could have grown different crops and used all the exported food and there would have been hardly any death!

No, they grew potatoes because it was the only way to survive on the tiny parcels of land they had left themselves when they handed the farm out between however many sons.

The parcels of land were so tiny because the British took 96% of the land by force. YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS HUGE POINT!!!


Tell me which fact and I will happily provide the reference, though I doubt it would matter since you don't believe websites lie

Just tell us all your sources. Web sites, books and others.


No I'm anti IRA I'm anti UDF and whatever three letter acronym that terrorists hide behind. I'm not anti Irish.

Could have fooled me. In another post did you not suggest sitting back, arming Unionists and watching the Republic deal with it? Not very anti anything except Irish me thinks.