Irish history (56)
fairydream: "Great famine"(Which in our eyes was not really
Erm, I don't understand how you don't see it as a great famine. The population dropped by 2 million+. 1 million died and a further 1 million emigrated on coffin ships...therefore many many more died. To put it in modern terms that would be Germanys' population of 82.2 million falling to 61.65 million.
is which way you see it.
Look at the song from Sinoed O`Connor
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
Look at the song from Sinoed O`Connor
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
fairydream: is which way you see it.
Look at the song from Sinoed O`Connor
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
Look at the song from Sinoed O`Connor
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
Between 1845 and 1850, more than a million Irish people starved to death while massive quantities of food were being exported from their country. A half million were evicted from their homes during the potato blight, and a million and a half emigrated to America, Britain and Australia, often on-board rotting, overcrowded "coffin ships". This is the story of how that immense tragedy came to pass.
fairydream: is which way you see it.
Look at the song from Sinoed O`Connor
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
Look at the song from Sinoed O`Connor
See Irish people were only allowed to eat potatoes
All of the other food
Meat fish vegetables
Were shipped out of the country under armed guard
To England while the Irish people starved
It is a famine when the staple diet of a nation is unavailable due to crop failure. It could have been prevented but we were under British rule at the time and they were taking most other food back to Britain. Just because it could have been prevented does not mean it can't be called a famine.
All famines can be prevented nowadays. If proper aid was provided to Africa over the last few decades the crop failure there would not have led to famines.
Here is a definition of famine:
Famine may be seen as "the regional failure of food production or distribution systems, leading to sharply increased mortality due to starvation and associated disease" (Cox 1981, 5)
Now please explain how the famine in Ireland was not a famine!
So what's your point?
Irishminx: So what's your point?
Who is that aimed at?
trapr: It is a famine when the staple diet of a nation is unavailable due to crop failure. It could have been prevented but we were under British rule at the time and they were taking most other food back to Britain. Just because it could have been prevented does not mean it can't be called a famine.
All famines can be prevented nowadays. If proper aid was provided to Africa over the last few decades the crop failure there would not have led to famines.
Here is a definition of famine:
Famine may be seen as "the regional failure of food production or distribution systems, leading to sharply increased mortality due to starvation and associated disease" (Cox 1981, 5)
Now please explain how the famine in Ireland was not a famine!
All famines can be prevented nowadays. If proper aid was provided to Africa over the last few decades the crop failure there would not have led to famines.
Here is a definition of famine:
Famine may be seen as "the regional failure of food production or distribution systems, leading to sharply increased mortality due to starvation and associated disease" (Cox 1981, 5)
Now please explain how the famine in Ireland was not a famine!
Sorry I did not make myself clear. yes it was a famine . But like you said it could have been prevented if the English would not have shipped most of the food out.
What I mean is: On German websites we can only find that there was a famine but no background and nothing about the bit that the English shipped the food out.
Is almost this bit of history never happened.But maybe I am looking at the wrong sites.
Maybe I made myself a bit clearer now
trapr: Who is that aimed at?
At FD, trapr...........
fairydream: Sorry I did not make myself clear. yes it was a famine . But like you said it could have been prevented if the English would not have shipped most of the food out.
What I mean is: On German websites we can only find that there was a famine but no background and nothing about the bit that the English shipped the food out.
Is almost this bit of history never happened.But maybe I am looking at the wrong sites.
Maybe I made myself a bit clearer now
What I mean is: On German websites we can only find that there was a famine but no background and nothing about the bit that the English shipped the food out.
Is almost this bit of history never happened.But maybe I am looking at the wrong sites.
Maybe I made myself a bit clearer now
You have, thank you...
Hiya Fairy
Here is a good link, let me know how you get on and i will send you more if you wish, but this one is great and covers everything you need to
Here is a good link, let me know how you get on and i will send you more if you wish, but this one is great and covers everything you need to
nuala: Hiya Fairy Here is a good link, let me know how you get on and i will send you more if you wish, but this one is great and covers everything you need to
Afteroon Nuala, how are you?
Good luck, I will be thinking & praying for you.
snuala: Hiya Fairy Here is a good link, let me know how you get on and i will send you more if you wish, but this one is great and covers everything you need to
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Thank you very much. But unfortunately I can not get onto that site.
Trapr well done........
fairydream: Thank you very much. But unfortunately I can not get onto that site.
Have you tried googling Irish Famine. A lot of different sites come up. Haven't gone ito them all but the ones I glanced at seemed ok.
Please do NOT let anyone tell you the famine didn't happen and be careful who you quote. Sinead O'Connors music can be good but her credibility can be questionable. She tends to argue for the sake of arguing..not necessarily because she is right.
wexlady41: Have you tried googling Irish Famine. A lot of different sites come up. Haven't gone ito them all but the ones I glanced at seemed ok.
Please do NOT let anyone tell you the famine didn't happen and be careful who you quote. Sinead O'Connors music can be good but her credibility can be questionable. She tends to argue for the sake of arguing..not necessarily because she is right.
Please do NOT let anyone tell you the famine didn't happen and be careful who you quote. Sinead O'Connors music can be good but her credibility can be questionable. She tends to argue for the sake of arguing..not necessarily because she is right.
I think that song was her way at being sarcastic towards England!
wexlady41: Have you tried googling Irish Famine. A lot of different sites come up. Haven't gone ito them all but the ones I glanced at seemed ok.
When quoting from websites it is best to quote from recognised organisations, governments or college. They are usually more factual.
wexlady41: Sinead O'Connors music can be good but her credibility can be questionable. She tends to argue for the sake of arguing..not necessarily because she is right.
All musicians exaggerate. Although it is an interesting approach basing a project on lyrics and proving them right or wrong.
trapr: When quoting from websites it is best to quote from recognised organisations, governments or college. They are usually more factual.
All musicians exaggerate. Although it is an interesting approach basing a project on lyrics and proving them right or wrong.
All musicians exaggerate. Although it is an interesting approach basing a project on lyrics and proving them right or wrong.
Completely agree about quoting from recognised sources.
Some of the sites I had a look at gave book/document references. Unfortunately I went into quite a few sites and can't remember exactly which sites had the best.
Fairydream appeared to be quoting Sinead O Connor's song as a historical statement (probably because she is Irish)..which it isn't. It's simply a song.
wexlady41: Completely agree about quoting from recognised sources.
Some of the sites I had a look at gave book/document references. Unfortunately I went into quite a few sites and can't remember exactly which sites had the best.
Fairydream appeared to be quoting Sinead O Connor's song as a historical statement (probably because she is Irish)..which it isn't. It's simply a song.
Some of the sites I had a look at gave book/document references. Unfortunately I went into quite a few sites and can't remember exactly which sites had the best.
Fairydream appeared to be quoting Sinead O Connor's song as a historical statement (probably because she is Irish)..which it isn't. It's simply a song.
No I do not use this song as a historical statement
my daughter is using the song at the start of her project.
As a form of statement. To get the argument going and then will try to prove with historical background what really happened...And that the famine could have been eased if the English would have not shipped the food out of the country. And all the wrong which has been done.......
No I am not Irish . I am dutch and my daughter holds dual nationality British / Dutch
But thank you to everybody for their help.
fairydream
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need some help for my daughter.
we live in Germany now and my daughter needs to write an essay about the "Great famine"(Which in our eyes was not really one.) and Irish early history.
But we can not find anything.
We have the opinion of Sinead O`Connor like she very well said in her song " Famine".
We need some Internet sites on Irish History.....to proof the point
But not only Irish ones
please help if you can
Thank you
fairydream