The 'other person' (20)

Mar 14, 2009 2:15 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
I am asking this question, as I had a conversation with my ex husband's girlfriend the other day. We were laughing, as we do and I asked her how it felt being in a relationship as the 'other woman'

Her response was interesting, intelligent as she is an intelligent person, hell a woman that took him off my hands and made him a decent, loving human being, gets my thumbs up anyday.

She said that many people were against her, her friends dropped her, and she felt alone, yet she felt no guilt towards me. I knew this lady as she was my ex husband's assistant, when I first found out about it and he was leaving me, she said that was when the pain and hurt kicked in, as she felt a self loathing when she saw my pain and I had asked her back then, did she ever feel any guilt.

SHe told me then, 'no, I love him' I could only resonate that I had once felt the same about him.

SHe and I are great friends now, she is a wonderful mother and a fabulous stepmother to my children, who love her immensely. I have embraced that relationship rather than feel threatened by it. I gained a friend. We have never been in competition with each other, aside from the fact that her Shepherd's Pie is crap and my son tells her, 'not like my mum's' I feel proud at that.

So, my question is this, has any person been the co star in the marriage/partnership? How do you feel or how did you?

How do people feel about the 'other person?' Many people would feel scorn and be nasty to them, but we must remember that they are people and that they too have feelings, why are we so against people who have affairs?

Purely, from a discussion standpoint. I am genuinely interested.
Mar 14, 2009 2:19 PM CST The 'other person'
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
Well, I maintained contact with one ex of 8 years, and befriended her new partner....but in the larger scheme of things, it is unusual, and that hasn't been the case in my other relationships...it's the exception I would say..
Mar 14, 2009 2:35 PM CST The 'other person'
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
Look, you may condone her being the third person in your story, simply because your marriage wasn't working. But what about a woman or a man who seduces someone away from their respective partners, and thereby ruining what would normally be an ok marriage. No marriage is perfect, but at the same time no marriage needs to be tested by temptation from the outside...I think people who cheat, and break up families are bad news...But most weak partnerships need an affair to tip the scale, innit?


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Mar 14, 2009 2:43 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Lagoona22: Look, you may condone her being the third person in your story, simply because your marriage wasn't working. But what about a woman or a man who seduces someone away from their respective partners, and thereby ruining what would normally be an ok marriage. No marriage is perfect, but at the same time no marriage needs to be tested by temptation from the outside...I think people who cheat, and break up families are bad news...But most weak partnerships need an affair to tip the scale, innit?



I don't condone her, I accept her.

Your post intrigues me, Lago, respectully of course. What about a woman or a man who seduces a person away from a marriage? No person could seduce me away from my relationship, I would not let that happen. That is no other person's responsibility other than my own. To get out. I could not blame another person, I would be behaving in a bad manner, to the relationship.

This is where I am driving here, to seek how people feel about the other person. Why are they bad news?

Are they not people who are in love rather than people who break up families?
Mar 14, 2009 2:51 PM CST The 'other person'
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
Well hang on....I see the thrust and gist of your argument, and where you're going with it. Your premise is the following: if the liaison is based on love, and the existing marriage is not 'loving' anymore, then it's ok to hijack it. In other words, you are saying that love justifies everything. I think that's poppycock. That's teenage pulp fiction. Marriage, families, and raising kids is hard work....and sometimes, you just have to get on with it. Just because you're not in love anymore doesn't give you the right to throw it all in the air, and run off with the first humanoid that you get the hots for....My parents had their wobbly moment when I was about 14....if they had been able to afford it, I think they would have split.....of course they muscled thru it...and they are very happy today that they did....sometimes (often) the tough road is the best road....
Mar 14, 2009 2:59 PM CST The 'other person'
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixparis, Ile-de-France France89 Threads 23 Polls 2,325 Posts
Don't know..Never been married..

Stay/become friends with the third party who busted/added to the bust up of a relationship..no. If there are kids invovled fair enough be civil and respectful..but tell them my deepest darkest..or even the shallow ones no..

Why are 'we' against the third party.I Haven't a clue..I tried to answer it but..I deleted it..I haven't a clue.
Mar 14, 2009 3:20 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Lagoona22: Well hang on....I see the thrust and gist of your argument, and where you're going with it. Your premise is the following: if the liaison is based on love, and the existing marriage is not 'loving' anymore, then it's ok to hijack it. In other words, you are saying that love justifies everything. I think that's poppycock. That's teenage pulp fiction. Marriage, families, and raising kids is hard work....and sometimes, you just have to get on with it. Just because you're not in love anymore doesn't give you the right to throw it all in the air, and run off with the first humanoid that you get the hots for....My parents had their wobbly moment when I was about 14....if they had been able to afford it, I think they would have split.....of course they muscled thru it...and they are very happy today that they did....sometimes (often) the tough road is the best road....



No, I am saying darling Lago it is okay to hijack it. What I am saying is that the third person in the relationship is not always the one responsible for the actions and they way it is going.

I am also not saying that love justifies everything.

I am stating, that my own marriage breakdown was not the fault of our co star. He suffered too, as did she. But I do not subscribe to this 'they both deserved it'

My point to the thread, is to see how people view the 'other person'

Because I know, when a partnership breaks down, there are many who blame the 'other person' as being the sole perpetrator.

That is not always the case. I am not of the mind that people set out to destroy relationships in that manner, hence why I cannot grasp when one does.

DOes that explain my gist better?

You feel that a person who seeks out to tear families apart, as the bad person, when I see that no person 'seeks; to do that.

Plus, any person that sought to wreck my family would simply not be able to...
Mar 14, 2009 3:26 PM CST The 'other person'
GreenTassels
GreenTasselsGreenTasselsZürich, Zurich Switzerland8 Threads 1 Polls 173 Posts
Lagoona22: Well hang on....I see the thrust and gist of your argument, and where you're going with it. Your premise is the following: if the liaison is based on love, and the existing marriage is not 'loving' anymore, then it's ok to hijack it. In other words, you are saying that love justifies everything. I think that's poppycock. That's teenage pulp fiction. Marriage, families, and raising kids is hard work....and sometimes, you just have to get on with it. Just because you're not in love anymore doesn't give you the right to throw it all in the air, and run off with the first humanoid that you get the hots for....My parents had their wobbly moment when I was about 14....if they had been able to afford it, I think they would have split.....of course they muscled thru it...and they are very happy today that they did....sometimes (often) the tough road is the best road....
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I'm with you here Lagoona..

Being single at my age I get approached by married men a lot, - and all of them tell me the sob story about how there just isnt any love in their marriage any more..

I could grab this opportunity, and later claim: but we are in love!!
But I dont. I decline, definitely when there are children involved.
There is so much more to a marriage than being 'in love',- and it seems childish to me to make that the first priority when there are children..

Surely the children should be the first priority.

But to get back to your original question: I had my first husband leave me for his assistant, and they are married now with two kids of their own.
I never blamed her, though I cannot say I respect her for what she participated in.. But ultimately I dont care what she did. I wasnt married to her!!
I care what He did, and how he handled things besides falling in love with his assistant..
but thats another story..frustrated
Mar 14, 2009 3:27 PM CST The 'other person'
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
Ok, your explanation was consumate, but complex...but that is exactly what it is...I have too little experience in this regard, because I have never 'lost out' to a third party...(not knowingly anyway)...
Mar 14, 2009 3:34 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Lagoona22: Ok, your explanation was consumate, but complex...but that is exactly what it is...I have too little experience in this regard, because I have never 'lost out' to a third party...(not knowingly anyway)...



I want too little experience in this regard, darling, not a place where I want to go ever again.

I have to be honest, the reason that I was prompted to write was because I was reading a forum where a woman had posted that she was the 'other woman' and she had been involved and currently in a relationship with a married man. The insults and nastiness she endured were huge, yet she always remained calm and answered the attacks. But I was not reading a woman who was seeking to destroy a family, I was reading a woman who was happy within her chosen relationship.

What prompted me to ask my ex hubbie's lady and get views from here.
Mar 14, 2009 3:37 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
GreenTassels: I'm with you here Lagoona..

Being single at my age I get approached by married men a lot, - and all of them tell me the sob story about how there just isnt any love in their marriage any more..

I could grab this opportunity, and later claim: but we are in love!!
But I dont. I decline, definitely when there are children involved.
There is so much more to a marriage than being 'in love',- and it seems childish to me to make that the first priority when there are children..

Surely the children should be the first priority.

But to get back to your original question: I had my first husband leave me for his assistant, and they are married now with two kids of their own.
I never blamed her, though I cannot say I respect her for what she participated in.. But ultimately I dont care what she did. I wasnt married to her!!
I care what He did, and how he handled things besides falling in love with his assistant..

but thats another story..


Just what I was looking for. How people feel about the other person.

Which is what I cared about, him, he was my husband, she did not feature overtly in the breakdown,

Hi GT.
Mar 14, 2009 3:41 PM CST The 'other person'
GreenTassels
GreenTasselsGreenTasselsZürich, Zurich Switzerland8 Threads 1 Polls 173 Posts
Sommerauer71: No, I am saying darling Lago it is okay to hijack it. What I am saying is that the third person in the relationship is not always the one responsible for the actions and they way it is going.

I am also not saying that love justifies everything.

I am stating, that my own marriage breakdown was not the fault of our co star. He suffered too, as did she. But I do not subscribe to this 'they both deserved it'

My point to the thread, is to see how people view the 'other person'

Because I know, when a partnership breaks down, there are many who blame the 'other person' as being the sole perpetrator.

That is not always the case. I am not of the mind that people set out to destroy relationships in that manner, hence why I cannot grasp when one does.

DOes that explain my gist better?

You feel that a person who seeks out to tear families apart, as the bad person, when I see that no person 'seeks; to do that.

Plus, any person that sought to wreck my family would simply not be able to...


I think that is just the way it went in your case.. and I think you were lucky. Its lucky that his 'new' woman is such a reasonable and nice person that you could learn to like her,- and it is lucky that your ex could still show you his sadness and sorrow over his lost love with you..

all factors which make what you have possible.

If he had turned on you and declared you the evil that had cased him all misery and he had to run away into the arms of another..
It would be alsmot impossible to accept the break up itself (i.e: why should you have to take all the blame?) nor would you be able to accept the new partner (because he would take any chance to rub it in your face how she is so far more adequate than you.., apart from shepperds pie making) and that kind of treatment is disrespectful and untrue, and too hurtful to overcome..
So I guess some women project the ex's mean attitude towards the other party, because of feeling inadequate all the time..

Its all in the 'music' I suppose..professor
Mar 14, 2009 3:45 PM CST The 'other person'
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixparis, Ile-de-France France89 Threads 23 Polls 2,325 Posts
Lagoona22: But what about a woman or a man who seduces someone away from their respective partners, and thereby ruining what would normally be an ok marriage.



What about them? It takes two to tango..It's not one persons fault...All the other person (in the relationship) has to do is say no..Thanks for the craic and beer..but I'm 'taken', don't call me i'll call you.
Mar 14, 2009 3:48 PM CST The 'other person'
GreenTassels
GreenTasselsGreenTasselsZürich, Zurich Switzerland8 Threads 1 Polls 173 Posts
Sommerauer71: Just what I was looking for. How people feel about the other person.

Which is what I cared about, him, he was my husband, she did not feature overtly in the breakdown,

Hi GT.



wave

Hi Sommer! Nice to see your lovely smile!
Mar 14, 2009 3:53 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
GreenTassels: I think that is just the way it went in your case.. and I think you were lucky. Its lucky that his 'new' woman is such a reasonable and nice person that you could learn to like her,- and it is lucky that your ex could still show you his sadness and sorrow over his lost love with you..

all factors which make what you have possible.

If he had turned on you and declared you the evil that had cased him all misery and he had to run away into the arms of another..
It would be alsmot impossible to accept the break up itself (i.e: why should you have to take all the blame?) nor would you be able to accept the new partner (because he would take any chance to rub it in your face how she is so far more adequate than you.., apart from shepperds pie making) and that kind of treatment is disrespectful and untrue, and too hurtful to overcome..
So I guess some women project the ex's mean attitude towards the other party, because of feeling inadequate all the time..

Its all in the 'music' I suppose..


Oh he did and his mother did, blamed me. He did try and make me inadequate, compared to what she did for him.

But she was the clever one, she pulled back, she stayed on the sidelines, the hurt was too much for her to see. But in a sense of course she was involved in it all. But she came out with a brilliant line, 'I removed myself from the competition, so that you two could thrash out your hurt and pain'

It was natural for me to compare myself to her, she was younger, more attractive, I felt that and I hit rock bottom.

The only reason I can sound so balanced now, it that it was a long time ago and that the recovery road was long and painful, but I recovered and can look only that as the bonuses that I received during that union, my children.

Not to make it look it like it was all sweetness and light, it was not.
Mar 14, 2009 3:56 PM CST The 'other person'
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
And I love you to hon...angel

Sommerauer71: Oh he did
Not to make it look it like it was all sweetness and light, it was not.

hug
Mar 14, 2009 3:58 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Lagoona22: And I love you to hon...


Ah, you're just the best.

The interantional response to this topic is interesting...
Mar 14, 2009 6:23 PM CST The 'other person'
expat2be
expat2beexpat2beZierikzee, Zeeland Netherlands12 Threads 396 Posts
Sommerauer71: How do people feel about the 'other person?' Many people would feel scorn and be nasty to them, but we must remember that they are people and that they too have feelings, why are we so against people who have affairs?

Purely, from a discussion standpoint. I am genuinely interested.


Your question sounds like "I have 2 horses, a black one and a white one. You may choose one but you won't get the black one"
Mar 14, 2009 6:28 PM CST The 'other person'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
expat2be: Your question sounds like "I have 2 horses, a black one and a white one. You may choose one but you won't get the black one"


Does it? Hi you.

Wow expat, that is an interesting take you have put up there...

Good to see you.
Mar 14, 2009 6:37 PM CST The 'other person'
expat2be
expat2beexpat2beZierikzee, Zeeland Netherlands12 Threads 396 Posts
Sommerauer71: Does it?


From where I stand, yes, it does.

In response to: Hi you.


Hi you too.
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