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Mar 31, 2009 6:12 PM CST We The People
Have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness----
but there is no guarantee of equal results!
Agree, disagree and why?
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Mar 31, 2009 6:22 PM CST We The People
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
Agree, as it was written. No equal results as it is up to the individual to Persue it!

Now, times have changed. It is all a FACADE!!!thumbs down
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Mar 31, 2009 6:59 PM CST We The People
HealthyLiving: Agree, as it was written. No equal results as it is up to the individual to Persue it!

Now, times have changed. It is all a FACADE!!!

Funny how everyone interprets what are rights and what are entitlements!
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Mar 31, 2009 9:38 PM CST We The People
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
toranoga: Have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness----
but there is no guarantee of equal results!
Agree, disagree and why?


Agree. The results are up to the zest with which the individual pursues their happiness, what they do with their life, and if they continue to deserve liberty. Criminals who take another life, for example, have made choices that no longer entitle them to these rights. Someone who commits suicide gives up their rights to life, and have done so because they feel that there is no hope of future happiness, so they've also given up their pursuit of it.

So, we are born with these rights, but what we do with them determine our results.

Interesting post...deserved a bump. wine
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Mar 31, 2009 9:41 PM CST We The People
druidess6308: Agree. The results are up to the zest with which the individual pursues their happiness, what they do with their life, and if they continue to deserve liberty. Criminals who take another life, for example, have made choices that no longer entitle them to these rights. Someone who commits suicide gives up their rights to life, and have done so because they feel that there is no hope of future happiness, so they've also given up their pursuit of it.

So, we are born with these rights, but what we do with them determine our results.

Interesting post...deserved a bump.
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Mar 31, 2009 9:41 PM CST We The People
virgiomonkey
virgiomonkeyvirgiomonkeyAuckland, New Zealand4,241 Posts
......With 'Rights'.....comes also 'Responsibilities'....there is no such thing as a free Meal ticket.....

J.D peace
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Apr 2, 2009 4:20 PM CST We The People
00Spy
00Spy00SpyCalgary, Alberta Canada7 Threads 64 Posts
In response to: Have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness----
but there is no guarantee of equal results!
Agree, disagree and why?

Disagree!
Because Comrad Obama says otherwise.

But what do you expect from a guy who regifts Ipods!
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Apr 2, 2009 4:25 PM CST We The People
virgiomonkey: ......With 'Rights'.....comes also 'Responsibilities'....there is no such thing as a free Meal ticket.....

J.D
Bullmalarky!
The Individual OWNS those Rights.
He does NOT have to BUY them from the rest of Society!very mad
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Apr 2, 2009 4:30 PM CST We The People
toranoga: Have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness----
but there is no guarantee of equal results!
Agree, disagree and why?

Pursuit of happiness?
Excuse me? how do you define that?confused
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Apr 2, 2009 4:31 PM CST We The People
Conrad73: Bullmalarky!
The Individual OWNS those Rights.
He does NOT have to BUY them from the rest of Society!

One of the notions used by all sides to justify the draft, is that “rights impose obligations.” Obligations, to whom?—and imposed, by whom? Ideologically, that notion is worse than the evil it attempts to justify: it implies that rights are a gift from the state, and that a man has to buy them by offering something (his life) in return. Logically, that notion is a contradiction: since the only proper function of a government is to protect man’s rights, it cannot claim title to his life in exchange for that protection.

The only “obligation” involved in individual rights is an obligation imposed, not by the state, but by the nature of reality (i.e., by the law of identity): consistency, which, in this case, means the obligation to respect the rights of others, if one wishes one’s own rights to be recognized and protected.
A.R.

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Apr 2, 2009 4:59 PM CST We The People
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
What Is and Isn't in the U.S.Constitution?:


"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"

This phrase is commonly attributed to the Constitution, but it comes from the Declaration of Independence. The 5th Amendment does offer protections to our "life, liberty, or property," noting we cannot be deprived of any of them without due process of law.

The way it's used is in the 5th Amendment:

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


(Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press

The Constitution does protect the freedom of speech of every citizen, and even of non-citizens — but only from restriction by the Congress (and, by virtue of the 14th Amendment, by state legislatures, too). There are plenty of other places where you could speak but where speech can and is suppressed. For example, freedom of speech can be and often is restricted in a work place, for example: employers can restrict your right to speak in the work place about politics, about religion, about legal issues, even about Desperate Housewives. The same restrictions that apply to the government do not apply to private persons, employers, or establishments. For another example, the government could not prohibit the sale of any newspaper lest it breech the freedom of the press. No newsstand, however, must carry every paper against its owners' wishes.

It's a Free Country


A commonly heard mantra is, "Read your Constitution - it's a free country, you know!" Well, read your Constitution - it never says it is a free country. The implication of the aphorism is that in the United States, you can do whatever you want to do, and the Constitution is there to ensure that. It is certainly true that the Constitution protects many civil rights. The 1st Amendment ensures freedom of religious choice and freedom of speech, but those things are not without limit. You cannot create a religion that allows you to kill someone without civil punishment; you cannot use libelous or slanderous words without recourse. There are other things that restrict freedom - from the ability to suspend habeas corpus to the issuance of patents. Certainly the United States is a very free country, but it is not totally free - which is actually a good thing, unless you actually like anarchy. It is interesting to note that in his confirmation hearings in 2005, John Roberts said several times, "It's a free country." It will be interesting to see how this enters into his judicial philosophy on the Court.


"Of the People, By the People, For the People"


This phrase is commonly attributed to the Constitution, but it comes from the Gettysburg Address.
Thanks to James Bishop for the idea.


(Cont'd)...wine
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Apr 2, 2009 5:01 PM CST We The People
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts

The Right To Vote


The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example.
It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.



No the above statement are not rights that are laid out in the Constitution that phrase came from The Declaration of Independence and the only rights conferred as those rights as laid out in the 5th Amendment.... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;. These rights are only conferred when a person has entered some how into the criminal justice system by being arrested for an offense.



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