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Apr 5, 2009 2:48 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Risk takers - are they BRAVE or STUPID or just plain GREEDY?

This is a real life situation:

On Friday 13th March 2009 there was the opportunity to buy a 'perpetual' (i.e. no maturity date) bond denominated in euros paying 4.95% at a bid price(what the client pays) of 15.5 cents to the euro.

This means you would only have paid 155 euros plus 1.55 euros commission per 1,000 euros of this bond.

Normally the higher the 'coupon' (interest) rate the higher the risk (NOT a high coupon rate in this case) - also, normally, a low the market price is indicative of higher perceived risk (true in this case, but the bond is actually a much lower risk than the market price on 13th March indicated*).

What would you have done?

Would you be scared of the perceived risk?

Money can be a dry and boring subject to many, yet most of us need money to live!

The love of money is, I believe, evil -

but if you make money because you need to spend it on something worthwhile then it can be fun!

I'm really interested in what people perceive as a worthwhile risk if they are determined to reach a goal in life.

P.S. * Regarding the perception of risk I mentioned this same bond could be sold for 28 cents to the euro on Friday, 3rd April 2009 and would now cost about 30 cents to buy (instead of 15.5 cents) and is nolonger, in my opinion, a 'bargain'.......
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Apr 5, 2009 2:49 AM CST What would YOU have done?
Mercedes1
Mercedes1Mercedes1Sydney, New South Wales Australia101 Threads 1 Polls 3,764 Posts
The most I risk is a weekly Lottery Ticket with my Motzacheers
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Apr 5, 2009 2:54 AM CST What would YOU have done?
bournemouthbelle
bournemouthbellebournemouthbellemanilva, Andalusia Spain15 Threads 105 Posts
Good morning Rusty,

Personally any "investment" in the finance world is extremely risky at the moment.Here in Spain there are so many expats with money invested that has gone down the tubes they are having to sell for peanuts and return to the U.K

I'm wanting to sell also but have to reduce my price to come in line with all the people trying to sell second homes with a mortgage.It's not funny for anyone at the moment especially pensioners!wave
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Apr 5, 2009 2:56 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Mercedes1: The most I risk is a weekly Lottery Ticket with my Motza


Invest in 'James Bonds' instead! cool
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Apr 5, 2009 3:02 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
bournemouthbelle: Good morning Rusty,

Personally any "investment" in the finance world is extremely risky at the moment.Here in Spain there are so many expats with money invested that has gone down the tubes they are having to sell for peanuts and return to the U.K

I'm wanting to sell also but have to reduce my price to come in line with all the people trying to sell second homes with a mortgage.It's not funny for anyone at the moment especially pensioners!


Perceived risk is just that!

10% of bonds 'defaulted' in the 1930's............ I am making the assumption that 20% will default in this recession - apart from that it is a fantastic time to invest - 'safe as houses' people say but I know many who are in your position and it is definitely not funny..........

Timing is everything. I told a dear friend when she sold her UK house at her asking price less than two years ago that then was NOT the time to reinvest in property but it was what she knew and trusted - if somebody had realised the equity on their property then and rented for a couple of years and invested there money once the bottom had fallen out of the financial market they would be worth at least four times what they were worth two years ago!

I'd not invest in property even when it hits the bottom; I'd wait for it to have gone up for a few months first - anyway, I'll go on what Buffett says, which is:

'The purchase of a house should be primarily to live in and NOT as an investment - only buy what you can afford, and enjoy living in it!'

thumbs up
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Apr 5, 2009 3:07 AM CST What would YOU have done?
bournemouthbelle
bournemouthbellebournemouthbellemanilva, Andalusia Spain15 Threads 105 Posts
Agree with what you are saying entirely.Now is not the time to sell,but I have to move on, am mortgage free so in retrospect not losing a thing financially.I will certainly not being buying again and intend to enjoy the fruits of my labour in other ways.

If people think that the housing market will improve in the next year or two they are in for a rude awakening.
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Apr 5, 2009 3:11 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
bournemouthbelle: Agree with what you are saying entirely.Now is not the time to sell,but I have to move on, am mortgage free so in retrospect not losing a thing financially.I will certainly not being buying again and intend to enjoy the fruits of my labour in other ways.

If people think that the housing market will improve in the next year or two they are in for a rude awakening.


I had a buyer at my asking price last June.

I declined to exchange contracts at the last moment (it represented my only security in life at that point in time).

I committed financial suicide by not selling, and will probably keep that property (in the UK) for at least another 4/5 years.

Put it this way - if I'd invested the profit from selling that house just nine months ago I could have made enough money to buy at least three similar houses now!

What's that old saying?

'Practive what I preach NOT what I do!' laugh
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Apr 5, 2009 3:13 AM CST What would YOU have done?
Mercedes1
Mercedes1Mercedes1Sydney, New South Wales Australia101 Threads 1 Polls 3,764 Posts
rusty_knight: Invest in 'James Bonds' instead!


Do you mean Bonds underwear we sell here?grin
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Apr 5, 2009 3:17 AM CST What would YOU have done?
bournemouthbelle
bournemouthbellebournemouthbellemanilva, Andalusia Spain15 Threads 105 Posts
Money is a great help in life but sometimes we get our priorities wrong.As long as we have enough to see us through,health and happiness are so much more important.I gather from the threads you have happiness in your life and seem to look "robust"
There is an old saying "There are no pockets in a shroud"

Good luck to you and yours.wine
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Apr 5, 2009 3:18 AM CST What would YOU have done?
vaggstav
vaggstavvaggstavM, Skane Sweden1 Threads 39 Posts
If I dont remember wrong, some tech students at UCLA connected a cactus to a computer and linked it to NASDAQ and Dow. The comp was instructed to sell or buy stocks according to the variant acitivity in the signal substance system of the photosynthesis of the cactus. After 3 months the cactus was more successful than any of the stock broker companies. Ergo: Dont put ure money in if u are not personally confident; experts get their comission no matter if their clients lose money or not.

Poker anyone?
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Apr 5, 2009 3:19 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
bournemouthbelle: Money is a great help in life but sometimes we get our priorities wrong.As long as we have enough to see us through,health and happiness are so much more important.I gather from the threads you have happiness in your life and seem to look "robust"
There is an old saying "There are no pockets in a shroud"

Good luck to you and yours.


Thank you - life is good........ a little scared that one day I might wake up and discover I have to go back to work....... but worse things have happened to me! grin

Good luck to you too......... thumbs up
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Apr 5, 2009 3:26 AM CST What would YOU have done?
SirenLydia
SirenLydiaSirenLydiaBury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England UK45 Threads 2 Polls 4,138 Posts
rusty_knight: I had a buyer at my asking price last June.

I declined to exchange contracts at the last moment (it represented my only security in life at that point in time).

I committed financial suicide by not selling, and will probably keep that property (in the UK) for at least another 4/5 years.

Put it this way - if I'd invested the profit from selling that house just nine months ago I could have made enough money to buy at least three similar houses now!

What's that old saying?

'Practive what I preach NOT what I do!'


I do wonder where you could have invested
in the last nine months that would have
tripled your money as stocks and savings
have all suffered.

At least you know that eventually house prices
will rise again.

wave peace devil
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Apr 5, 2009 3:29 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Mercedes1: Do you mean Bonds underwear we sell here?


Maybe - buy 100,000 pairs of 'frightened sausage' size only at a HUGE discount and capture the niche market on the internet for men with small dangly bits who are shy of going into a shop and asking for size 'XXS' (extra extra small).

See - I am a genius!

Send me 1.32% of your GROSS profits by way of gratitude, please!

wine
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Apr 5, 2009 3:40 AM CST What would YOU have done?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
SirenLydia: I do wonder where you could have invested
in the last nine months that would have
tripled your money as stocks and savings
have all suffered.

At least you know that eventually house prices
will rise again.


I didn't write that..........plus not all stocks and savings have suffered - and those that have suffered but arebouncing back are fantastic to buy for the next six months or so.

Say a house was worth 100k, and is now only worth 60k - one would only have had to make 80k out of 100k capital in nine months to buy THREE at 60k.........easy if you are lucky enough to make over 53% on one investment in less than three weeks!

I can quote many bonds that have done very well since December 2008 and many that still represent 'good value' now.

To tell the truth I don't believe my judgement is that good.

I am good on the Mathematics side....... and leave the expertise, after I've worked out the figures, to somebody I trust on whether it is a good decision to buy or sell.

Nine times out of ten my suggestion to buy or sell is 'shot down in flames', but the one in ten where I'm told 'that seems ok' I've gone ahead and done well.
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Apr 8, 2009 5:13 PM CST What would YOU have done?
Crystalpistol2
Crystalpistol2Crystalpistol2La Grange Park, Illinois USA21 Threads 383 Posts
My great uncle told me to never risk more than you can afford to lose. As long as you had the money and could afford to lose it, it would be an investment, that I would make.

Younger people have a longer time to build wealth, so they can take more risks with investments, but older people have to be more conservative in their investing, so they do not lose assets.

As long as you can sell it on the rise, it wouldn't be so bad, but if you sell it at a loss or do not recover any money, not so good.
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