'Karma' (20)

Apr 7, 2009 6:25 AM CST 'Karma'
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Last year, before my father, died I made a decision.

The decision was to pre-empt any demand for a wage rise for employees.

This was before the recession hit home.

I wrote to all my employees informing them that they were going to get not one but three pay rises - one in October 2008, one in January 2009 and one in June 2009.

Then the recession hit home late last year/early this year.

I was upset. I had promised three pay-rises of which I had honoured my word on one, but income was falling, inflation was still rising and what was I to do?

I could make some economies, but why should I economise when others are gaining at my expense?

I decided to increase my income from that DIRECT desire to keep my word; so far I have succeeded; I sincerely hope my karma is good as the 1st June looms nearer and nearer!

There is a saying that 'Needs must' and when our backs are up against the wall we have the choice to either fight back or give up and die.

I choose to fight.
Apr 7, 2009 6:38 AM CST 'Karma'
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
rusty_knight: Last year, before my father, died I made a decision.

The decision was to pre-empt any demand for a wage rise for employees.

This was before the recession hit home.

I wrote to all my employees informing them that they were going to get not one but three pay rises - one in October 2008, one in January 2009 and one in June 2009.

Then the recession hit home late last year/early this year.

I was upset. I had promised three pay-rises of which I had honoured my word on one, but income was falling, inflation was still rising and what was I to do?

I could make some economies, but why should I economise when others are gaining at my expense?

I decided to increase my income from that DIRECT desire to keep my word; so far I have succeeded; I sincerely hope my karma is good as the 1st June looms nearer and nearer!

There is a saying that 'Needs must' and when our backs are up against the wall we have the choice to either fight back or give up and die.

I choose to fight.



Any comments?

Have you ever had 'good' or 'bad' karma?
Apr 7, 2009 7:05 AM CST 'Karma'
expat2be
expat2beexpat2beZierikzee, Zeeland Netherlands12 Threads 396 Posts
I guess it was a very wise decision you made to keep your word. It might mean tightening your waistband for a while but I am sure it will pay off soon.
Apr 7, 2009 7:06 AM CST 'Karma'
amelia7
amelia7amelia7London, Greater London, England UK3 Threads 162 Posts
I am a complete cynic. There is no such thing as Karma.
Apr 7, 2009 7:26 AM CST 'Karma'
amelia7
amelia7amelia7London, Greater London, England UK3 Threads 162 Posts
When anyone mentions karma or says 'what goes around comes around' or anything like that, instantly an image comes to me. It is an image of children, dressed in rags, shoeless, filthy, climbing all over a garbage dump pilfering something to sell so they can buy a little food to take home to some one room shack their whole family lives in, a shack probably without electricity, or at least safe electricity, and definitely without running water. The street in front of the shack is a running sewer. They don't go to school, at least not regularly and not wearing nice clean, warm clothes, and they don't have a hot lunch, probably not any or much lunch at all. With certain variables, this image can be taking place in South America, Indonesia, India, etc. Just recently I was on a subway in one of our beautiful European capitals. A young Turkish boy was begging. His teenage brother was playing a guitar. These people come here for a better life and they are different, they come from the lowest scio-economic levels of Turkey: they are generally uneducated and religiously unsophisticated. And in Europe, they are generally scorned. I lived in Turkey and know how very poor some of the people are and how they suffer, and why they come to Europe. So, I wonder, why do all these people have such bad karma? What I done to have such good karma that I live a comfortable, healthy, prosperous Western life? Wha kind of karma does an abused baby have and how did he/she get such karma? A victim of a p*dophile? What kind of karma does that kid have? What have they done to deserve this 'what goes around comes around' scenario? Is it that they are paying for bad things they did in another lifetime? How ridiculous.
Apr 7, 2009 8:23 AM CST 'Karma'
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
expat2be: I guess it was a very wise decision you made to keep your word. It might mean tightening your waistband for a while but I am sure it will pay off soon.


I did. I shall. I got thin! Now I want to put on weight!

grin
Apr 7, 2009 9:57 AM CST 'Karma'
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
amelia7: Dictionary.com

"KARMA /'k?rm?/

3. fate; destiny.

4. the good or bad emanations felt to be generated by someone or something. .


You answered your own question by getting definitions.... what you then said went contradictory to what you found - read your definitions again!
Apr 7, 2009 9:58 AM CST 'Karma'
amelia7
amelia7amelia7London, Greater London, England UK3 Threads 162 Posts
How do you get contrary. It matches up exactly with what I am saying.
Apr 7, 2009 10:00 AM CST 'Karma'
amelia7
amelia7amelia7London, Greater London, England UK3 Threads 162 Posts
The definition says that karma is brought upon onself by the actions of oneself in this or a previous incarnation. There is no other way to read it. There is one definition that says fate or destiny. Which, if that is the one you are using, doesn't apply to the points you have made about it.
Apr 7, 2009 10:02 AM CST 'Karma'
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
amelia7: The definition says that karma is brought upon onself by the actions of oneself in this or a previous incarnation. There is no other way to read it. There is one definition that says fate or destiny. Which, if that is the one you are using, doesn't apply to the points you have made about it.


Makes no difference - I just found your attitude negative instead of positive so we'll have to agree to differ.....ok?
Apr 8, 2009 4:21 AM CST 'Karma'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
amelia7: When anyone mentions karma or says 'what goes around comes around' or anything like that, instantly an image comes to me. It is an image of children, dressed in rags, shoeless, filthy, climbing all over a garbage dump pilfering something to sell so they can buy a little food to take home to some one room shack their whole family lives in, a shack probably without electricity, or at least safe electricity, and definitely without running water. The street in front of the shack is a running sewer. They don't go to school, at least not regularly and not wearing nice clean, warm clothes, and they don't have a hot lunch, probably not any or much lunch at all. With certain variables, this image can be taking place in South America, Indonesia, India, etc. Just recently I was on a subway in one of our beautiful European capitals. A young Turkish boy was begging. His teenage brother was playing a guitar. These people come here for a better life and they are different, they come from the lowest scio-economic levels of Turkey: they are generally uneducated and religiously unsophisticated. And in Europe, they are generally scorned. I lived in Turkey and know how very poor some of the people are and how they suffer, and why they come to Europe. So, I wonder, why do all these people have such bad karma? What I done to have such good karma that I live a comfortable, healthy, prosperous Western life? Wha kind of karma does an abused baby have and how did he/she get such karma? A victim of a p*dophile? What kind of karma does that kid have? What have they done to deserve this 'what goes around comes around' scenario? Is it that they are paying for bad things they did in another lifetime? How ridiculous.


I like you more with every word you write.
Apr 8, 2009 4:49 AM CST 'Karma'
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
I suppose there is an underlying ethos of "doing unto others as you would be done by" which is a modern Christian kind of approach to Karma. As I don't believe in God or reincarnation I find the idea of repaying or being rewarded for previous lives an unsustainable one....but behaving well should be its own reward and if you are lucky others will see it and moderate their behaviour to treat you well in return
wave
Apr 8, 2009 5:01 AM CST 'Karma'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Fallingman: I suppose there is an underlying ethos of "doing unto others as you would be done by" which is a modern Christian kind of approach to Karma. As I don't believe in God or reincarnation I find the idea of repaying or being rewarded for previous lives an unsustainable one....but behaving well should be its own reward and if you are lucky others will see it and moderate their behaviour to treat you well in return


A lovely gentle way of putting it, FM, (Hi you by the way)

I do not subscribe to Karma, at all, I just don't buy it, I, myself, am at peace with the people who are in my life and am generally a happy soul without much to complain about, even people in the IF, I can tolerate better. Oh yes, I find myself being much less snooty when a person dusplays stupidity, something that I am not great with.

Maybe it is my age, who knows, but I am never grumpy, I never complain at other people now, who play their music too loud in their ears on the train, I just think to myself, 'He'll need a number of a good ear surgeon when he is 30, because he will be deaf'

I like Amelia's post on this subject and I like the topic.

Nice one Rusty.
Apr 8, 2009 6:11 AM CST 'Karma'
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
Sommerauer71: A lovely gentle way of putting it, FM, (Hi you by the way)

I do not subscribe to Karma, at all, I just don't buy it, I, myself, am at peace with the people who are in my life and am generally a happy soul without much to complain about, even people in the IF, I can tolerate better. Oh yes, I find myself being much less snooty when a person dusplays stupidity, something that I am not great with.

Maybe it is my age, who knows, but I am never grumpy, I never complain at other people now, who play their music too loud in their ears on the train, I just think to myself, 'He'll need a number of a good ear surgeon when he is 30, because he will be deaf'

I like Amelia's post on this subject and I like the topic.

Nice one Rusty.


I am going to distribute flyers to all the kids in your school to tell them that you are never grumpy!

You will regret that! laugh wave
Apr 8, 2009 7:27 AM CST 'Karma'
amelia7
amelia7amelia7London, Greater London, England UK3 Threads 162 Posts
Fallingman: I suppose there is an underlying ethos of "doing unto others as you would be done by" which is a modern Christian kind of approach to Karma. As I don't believe in God or reincarnation I find the idea of repaying or being rewarded for previous lives an unsustainable one....but behaving well should be its own reward and if you are lucky others will see it and moderate their behaviour to treat you well in return


I don't believe in God, reincarnation, or the concept of fate. I do believe that, for the most part, we create our own reality. It is, to me, perfectly reasonable and logical to believe that 'behaving well' is often rewarded: that is, if you treat people decently, they will generally treat you decently, or if you work hard, you will generally prosper, etc. However, there are uncountable examples in life where, as the cliche says, 'bad things happen to good people.' For example, if someone was mean and did bad things then dies young of cancer, there are ten times as many people who were kind and did good things yet died young of cancer. When I hear the statement, "what goes around comes around," it often as not comes from someone I personally know to have been mean or deceitful or vengeful, or engaged in any number of less than honorable behaviors, and sometimes quite terrible behaviors.

Other than the reality each individual can create and control for him/herself, everything else is coincidence and has nothing to do with being a good or bad person, having good or bad karma, or any idea of fate or destiny.
Jesus said: Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth. Funny. He wasn't very meek was he?

(oh, and btw, I like Jesus too (&Michelle)...they are both pretty cool) bunny Happy Easter (that was last Sunday???)
Apr 8, 2009 7:35 AM CST 'Karma'
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Fallingman: I am going to distribute flyers to all the kids in your school to tell them that you are never grumpy!

You will regret that!


Okay, you bad man, you got me there. If I have to raise any eyebrow, they usually ask me if I am on my period???
Apr 8, 2009 7:37 AM CST 'Karma'
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
Sommerauer71: Okay, you bad man, you got me there. If I have to raise any eyebrow, they usually ask me if I am on my period???


Strike One to the bad man! laugh
Apr 8, 2009 8:14 AM CST 'Karma'
amelia7
amelia7amelia7London, Greater London, England UK3 Threads 162 Posts
I didn't say anything about expecting. I used the terms 'often' and 'generally.' Of course there are instances when one behaves well and simply gets a slap in the face for their efforts. Happens all the time. So ironic. And there are times when 'strangers' are kind and generous, just out of the blue. Often, generally, if one works hard, one is rewarded by prosperity, but not always. We tend to expect it though, and it tends to be the case for it is certainly a motivator for most peole. For me, I try to behave according to my own code of ethics and values, which I believe are based in essential decency and reason. I was trying to agree with Fallingman when he said good behavior should be it own reward. I was, apparently, not as clear as I meant to be.
Apr 8, 2009 11:43 AM CST 'Karma'
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
amelia7: I didn't say anything about expecting. I used the terms 'often' and 'generally.' Of course there are instances when one behaves well and simply gets a slap in the face for their efforts. Happens all the time. So ironic. And there are times when 'strangers' are kind and generous, just out of the blue. Often, generally, if one works hard, one is rewarded by prosperity, but not always. We tend to expect it though, and it tends to be the case for it is certainly a motivator for most peole. For me, I try to behave according to my own code of ethics and values, which I believe are based in essential decency and reason. I was trying to agree with Fallingman when he said good behavior should be it own reward. I was, apparently, not as clear as I meant to be.


You were clear to me, Amelia! wave
Apr 8, 2009 1:03 PM CST 'Karma'
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Fallingman: You were clear to me, Amelia!


Clear to me too...... just I was happy and almost got 'negged out' (my fault)

dunno
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