Stay at home parents (32)

Jun 20, 2009 8:01 PM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
This topic was just brought up in another thread and thought it would make good discussion. What are your thoughts on people who stay home to raise their kids? Some people are career oriented, others family, some just need the cash, some need an outlet to get away from the kids. Are they a burden on the welfare system, is it a right or a privelige?

I personally stay home with my kids because i do not want my kids institutionalised. I find daycare centres, creches etc very clinical and cold and have conflicting disciplining measures to mine. I like my kids to know that they have a loving parent to come home to and a routine to stick to. I always get told how great my kids are. Even last night at a party, I was being introduced to a couple from NZ and they commented that they had heard about me and how good my child was. Wow, it blew me away. Everyone used to say, 'You are so lucky that your kids are so good'. I used to agree but now I say, 'No, it is good management!!' grin

I feel I have made the right decision by my kids, and myself.
Jun 20, 2009 8:38 PM CST Stay at home parents
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
I think while children are younger it is a good idea to be at home for them.

Personally I think working shows them what's needs to be done in life and life isn't about being at home and not working, in their younger days for sure be at home they need you, but when they are independent I think its important to work not only for money but it shows them a good example of what life is about.

Ive had different stages of my life where I have worked and not, and personally I hate it when I don't support myself in life.
Jun 20, 2009 9:13 PM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
sxc666: I think while children are younger it is a good idea to be at home for them.

Personally I think working shows them what's needs to be done in life and life isn't about being at home and not working, in their younger days for sure be at home they need you, but when they are independent I think its important to work not only for money but it shows them a good example of what life is about.

Ive had different stages of my life where I have worked and not, and personally I hate it when I don't support myself in life.


Yes, that is a valid point too. My youngest has just started school this year and i will be returning to work within the next 6 months. I am really looking forward to it. The last six months has been driving me stir crazy but i volunteer at school to keep me busy.

The government have now got measures in place to ensure that once the youngest is at school, that parents rejoin the workforce. I find that is a good initiative but I think it is a little flawed. I recieved a letter from centrelink asking me to attend an interview about going back to work at 3.30pm on the first day of my school. No way was i going to get someone else to pick up my child at school on his first day. I just rescheduled but it was a little hasty, the kid had hardly seen the inside of a classroom so i feel it is my duty as a parent to ensure i was there to comfort, encourage and communicate with him after his big day.
Jun 20, 2009 9:48 PM CST Stay at home parents
kkkaq
kkkaqkkkaqrotorua, Bay of Plenty New Zealand105 Posts
Ralf74: Yes, that is a valid point too. My youngest has just started school this year and i will be returning to work within the next 6 months. I am really looking forward to it. The last six months has been driving me stir crazy but i volunteer at school to keep me busy.

The government have now got measures in place to ensure that once the youngest is at school, that parents rejoin the workforce. I find that is a good initiative but I think it is a little flawed. I recieved a letter from centrelink asking me to attend an interview about going back to work at 3.30pm on the first day of my school. No way was i going to get someone else to pick up my child at school on his first day. I just rescheduled but it was a little hasty, the kid had hardly seen the inside of a classroom so i feel it is my duty as a parent to ensure i was there to comfort, encourage and communicate with him after his big day.


Hi
I personally wanted to stay home with my kids, thats why i wanted chilren to be with them and there for them, it is what i had growing up with my parents. Unfortunatly circumstances changed and i had to go to work. I think the choice of creche is crucial to not only your children but also to your own peace of mind, i was lucky i found a really good one, felt like home and the people running it were excellent. I was still not happy though, even now i sort of regret that missed time while they were young, have fixed that now though, retrained as a teacher, so now i work the same hours that they do and have the same holidays, works out really well, i can drop them off and pick them up and the manangement at the school i teach at is very understanding and flexible with all their staff.
Jun 20, 2009 10:31 PM CST Stay at home parents
Magenta
MagentaMagentaNimbin, New South Wales Australia5 Threads 483 Posts
This topic was just brought up in another thread and thought it would make good discussion. What are your thoughts on people who stay home to raise their kids? Some people are career oriented, others family, some just need the cash, some need an outlet to get away from the kids. Are they a burden on the welfare system, is it a right or a privelige?

I personally stay home with my kids because i do not want my kids institutionalised. I find daycare centres, creches etc very clinical and cold and have conflicting disciplining measures to mine. (quote)
Great topic ralf! I am of the belief that after the youngest child has finished prep, parents should be encouraged to go back to some kind of part time/volunteer/study. With u helping out at school, surely that ought to be included in yor vocationary of experience?
Jun 21, 2009 12:09 AM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
I would really love to hear from people who had worked when their kids were infants and if they feel like they missed out on them growing up or major milestones or if they were glad that they were able to provide better for doing so. What drove you to get back to work, do you have regrets? Is there anyone who wished they did different? Are there any dads out there that stayed home? Anyone who doesn't have kids and what they think they will do?

I am not against others doing what they feel is right or necessary for them and i really don't want this to turn into a working parent -v- stay at home parent arguement. Rather a discussion to see both sides of the scale. cheers
Jun 21, 2009 12:57 AM CST Stay at home parents
oztrack
oztrackoztrackPerth, Western Australia Australia4 Threads 147 Posts
Ralf74: I would really love to hear from people who had worked when their kids were infants and if they feel like they missed out on them growing up or major milestones or if they were glad that they were able to provide better for doing so. What drove you to get back to work, do you have regrets? Is there anyone who wished they did different? Are there any dads out there that stayed home? Anyone who doesn't have kids and what they think they will do?

I am not against others doing what they feel is right or necessary for them and i really don't want this to turn into a working parent -v- stay at home parent arguement. Rather a discussion to see both sides of the scale.


This really is an interesting topic and I hope it stimupates an good discussion,I am sure there will be many different opinions.

My wife died, after a long illness, when my 2 daughters were 4 and 7 so I stopped work until my youngest daughter was at primary school, although I did return to work parttime before that. I really had no alternative to staying at home and I was glad I was able to. However, it did put a strain on finances as I still had a mortgage to pay.

Prior to her illness, my wife and I both worked, she was able to work parttime, which meant she was around when our eldest was home from school and at pre-school. However, we were never very happy with day-care and eventually employed a wonderful middle aged lady to look after the girls, while we worked. This was by far the best arrangement we had, until we went for a year to the UK, where the kids endured some of the worst day care centres imaginable!!

Of course, my mother in law was always happy to look after the girls, especially as when we came back from the UK we lived very close to her. This has meant that she has been able to develop a very close relationship with her grand children which has endured to this day (she's now 90 and the younger daughter is living with her after returning from living in the UK!). The reason I mention this is that grandparents are so important in the lives of their grand kids and so often play a supportive role in caring for them.

All in all, I think I did what was both in the girls interests and mine and I feel most parents try to get that balance right. My girls seem to have turned out OK, though neither have children of their own....yet!
Jun 21, 2009 1:30 AM CST Stay at home parents
Twodawgz
TwodawgzTwodawgzmelbourne, Victoria Australia4 Threads 4,009 Posts
Hmmmm well i aint got any off springs but i can say this.. Taking care of children is not a “temp” job. The influence that a stay at home mother or father have on a child will mold him/her into the person that he/she will become for life. You are the person you are today based on how and by who you were raised..But what would i know about parenting rug rats..laugh
Jun 21, 2009 3:16 AM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
Twodawgz: Hmmmm well i aint got any off springs but i can say this.. Taking care of children is not a “temp” job. The influence that a stay at home mother or father have on a child will mold him/her into the person that he/she will become for life. You are the person you are today based on how and by who you were raised..But what would i know about parenting rug rats..


Great to see you boys with some good insight. Hopefully you will be an awesome dad sometime soon Dawgz and your views are as valid as anyone elses. thumbs up I have found though that my views on parenting have changed dramatically since the conception of my first child. I was never having kids, I hated kids and i was never going to burden myself with them!!laugh I still hate other peoples kids but I don't think they get it, they are always at my house. uh oh They actually think i am cool. wow
Jun 21, 2009 3:26 AM CST Stay at home parents
Magenta
MagentaMagentaNimbin, New South Wales Australia5 Threads 483 Posts
Ralf74: Great to see you boys with some good insight. Hopefully you will be an awesome dad sometime soon Dawgz and your views are as valid as anyone elses. I have found though that my views on parenting have changed dramatically since the conception of my first child. I was never having kids, I hated kids and i was never going to burden myself with them!! I still hate other peoples kids but I don't think they get it, they are always at my house. They actually think i am cool.

Because u are
Jun 21, 2009 3:32 AM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
wave Hey Ozi, good to see you back again.

You have some good points with the use of nannies and being able to rely on family.

I have used my family, sister's mainly, to babysit while I worked and because it was not consistant and there were so many people telling the kids what to do, it became confusing for them. I was working about 50 hours a week and we only had one car so I was catching the train to the next suburb and back, walking kilometres to work and then doing 9 hr shifts. I hardly saw the kids and they were angry and confused and I was tired and irritable, it wasn't a good situation. I would recommend using family in a pinch but i would never rely on them again like i did. It was too much for everyone involved.

cool
Jun 21, 2009 4:37 AM CST Stay at home parents
bourbon
bourbonbourbonSunshine Coast, Queensland Australia32 Threads 4 Polls 3,504 Posts
Twodawgz: Hmmmm well i aint got any off springs but i can say this.. Taking care of children is not a “temp” job. The influence that a stay at home mother or father have on a child will mold him/her into the person that he/she will become for life. You are the person you are today based on how and by who you were raised..But what would i know about parenting rug rats..


The 'welfare state' mentality is passed on to a person's offspring. There are now third and possibly forth generation single mothers out there who were raised to believe that the country owes them a pension.... All they have to do to get one is to have a baby.

I see couples where they both work while raising children... and they are paying taxes to feed the sponges of society. Effectively, we are paying sponges to produce the next generation of sponges. doh
Jun 21, 2009 4:45 AM CST Stay at home parents
Butterflyboo1974
Butterflyboo1974Butterflyboo1974near Muswellbrook, New South Wales Australia8 Threads 266 Posts
bourbon: The 'welfare state' mentality is passed on to a person's offspring. There are now third and possibly forth generation single mothers out there who were raised to believe that the country owes them a pension.... All they have to do to get one is to have a baby.

I see couples where they both work while raising children... and they are paying taxes to feed the sponges of society. Effectively, we are paying sponges to produce the next generation of sponges.


That is perhaps a little harsh... but I understand where you are comming from.

I too find it difficult to understand the mentalitly of people who think that they should never have to work... and that they will exist on benefits forever...

In my case the money that I recieve from Centrelink was serverly affected each time that I gained part time employment. I was penalised for working, but thought that in the long run it was the best thing for my family and myself.

After I had a little bit of a break down last year I haven't returned to my various part time jobs.
Previously I had worked three part time jobs, and been studying towards a certificate and a diploma.

As soon as my littlest goes to school I will look to go back to teaching full time, but for now aim to be working several days a week as a casual teacher in the next few months. (As well as the part time job I was offerred the other day!)
Jun 21, 2009 4:49 AM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
bourbon: The 'welfare state' mentality is passed on to a person's offspring. There are now third and possibly forth generation single mothers out there who were raised to believe that the country owes them a pension.... All they have to do to get one is to have a baby.

I see couples where they both work while raising children... and they are paying taxes to feed the sponges of society. Effectively, we are paying sponges to produce the next generation of sponges.


Yes, that is another good point and it is certainly taking place alot. It is sickening to think that women can pump out babies just for the welfare, unfortunately though like you said, it is a case of being a victim of your circumstances and if that is what you know then you are inclined to do same.

I feel as a stay at home mum that I have worked and paid taxes and will do so again for the rest of my working life, so yes I am entitled to get some of those taxes back to ensure that my children have a loving, stable, reliable, encouraging, educational, guiding & nurturing environment around them in their younger & most influential years.
Jun 21, 2009 7:14 AM CST Stay at home parents
bourbon
bourbonbourbonSunshine Coast, Queensland Australia32 Threads 4 Polls 3,504 Posts
thouroughbred:

with no manufacturing or nothing compared to what it used to be 30 years ago, all the raw materials are exported and manufactured overseas then sent back here etc. our farmers are forced to compete with imported produce sold 4 a fraction of the cost, the cost of fuel has gone up etc, the whole country is in a spiraling mess.

my point being that 2 ta 3 decades ago companies could make a decent profit, and the cost of living was a lot more realistic, so that anyone that was working could get by reasonably comfortably, even on one wage with a family


Three decades ago we also had an inflation rate at about 9-10%. While this was a dream come true for home buyers struggling to pay the mortgage (as the mortgage was a fixed amount and wages were rising with inflation), it wasn't so good for people who had money as the value of the money you already had was being rapidly eroded... and rich people didn't like that much.

The reason for this level of inflation was that there was no unemployment in those days. Employers had to compete for staff. The only way to get people to work for you was to pay more than your competitors were paying. Anyone who was too incompetant to get a job in the private sector was virtually guaranteed a job in the public sector.

Unemployment became a check-valve for inflation and successive governments have used it to regulate inflation. Governments are happiest when there is an unemployment rate of around 4-5% as there are enough people applying for the available jobs to keep wages in check.

The work for the dole program was never about getting people into work... rather, it was about getting people to applying for jobs. Some had been unemployed so long that they just accepted their lot in life as being surplus to the workforce's needs and stopped applying for jobs. Inflation began to rise as a result and the government needed to get those people applying for jobs again... so work for the dole was born. It's just a pity that the people who really want a job get put through hoops like work for the dole when the government doesn't want them to get a job, they only want them to apply for jobs.

The bottom line is that you'll never see full employment again... it creates inflation and that hurts the wealthy too much. drinking
Jun 21, 2009 7:18 AM CST Stay at home parents
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
^ Yep.
Jun 21, 2009 4:41 PM CST Stay at home parents
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
Very Interesting topic Ralf,

I've been a single mum for 10years and over that time I have worked around my Daughter. Initially working while she was at prep/school.

Now that she is older, she does come home to an empty house at times, and to be honest that is not ideal in my opinion. I feel fortunate that I've been able to work. Although at times its been difficult to keep juggling everything.

I believe that its important for parents to work, I also believe that the choice to work around school hours needs to be supported and encouraged.

Personally my daughter was only ever in Before and After School Care, and that was because I was the Co ordinator at the time, and she was with me. Apart from that she has never been in care.

Even while I've been studying, I've still been working part time. As you said Ralf, now that your youngest has started school, you will be returning to the work force and in doing that I believe you'd made great choices.... to be at home when they need you most, and to return to work now that they are a little older and more able to cope.
Jun 21, 2009 6:41 PM CST Stay at home parents
Ralf74
Ralf74Ralf74Bacchus Marsh, Victoria Australia44 Threads 2 Polls 4,241 Posts
After reading these I would like to question if people go into specific lines of work such as teaching or after school care, day care etc because the hours are more suited to being at home with kids or whether it is a career choice because it is what you really want to do. So many mothers I know are stuck in jobs they don't really want to do but have chosen to do so for the money and convenience and/or social outlet. None of them really complain about it but i wonder if we sell ourselves short in terms of our careers because of our circumstances. dunno
Jun 21, 2009 7:39 PM CST Stay at home parents
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
Ralf74: After reading these I would like to question if people go into specific lines of work such as teaching or after school care, day care etc because the hours are more suited to being at home with kids or whether it is a career choice because it is what you really want to do. So many mothers I know are stuck in jobs they don't really want to do but have chosen to do so for the money and convenience and/or social outlet. None of them really complain about it but i wonder if we sell ourselves short in terms of our careers because of our circumstances.
I enjoyed being a personal assistant, secretary and working in Administration, however I have always wanted to pursue Nursing, its only now I feel the kids are independent enough and it is the right time to pursue that. But I certainly would have done whatever it was I had to do to obtain an income to support us, for sure.
Jun 21, 2009 8:29 PM CST Stay at home parents
Magenta
MagentaMagentaNimbin, New South Wales Australia5 Threads 483 Posts
bourbon: The 'welfare state' mentality is passed on to a person's offspring. There are now third and possibly forth generation single mothers out there who were raised to believe that the country owes them a pension.... All they have to do to get one is to have a baby.

I see couples where they both work while raising children... and they are paying taxes to feed the sponges of society. Effectively, we are paying sponges to produce the next generation of sponges.


We dont everyones differing circumstance. However, if u rely on welfare your whole life, u are assigning yourself to a life of poverty.
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