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Jun 25, 2009 3:02 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
kindheart74
kindheart74kindheart74colombo, Western Sri Lanka23 Threads 1 Polls 279 Posts
Allah or the Lord Jesus?

(I found this message from the Internet. I was impressed by this idea. If this idea is wrong I hope I hope Muslim people in CS will correct it. I appreciate if you give written explanations instead of videos because I can not watch videos on my PC)

Unknown author writes:

The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion in Britain and Australia. Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Anglican and Muslim faiths, who explained each of their beliefs.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.

After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: “Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?”

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, “Non-believers!”

I responded, “So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?”

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of ‘a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar’.

He sheepishly replied, “Yes.”

I then stated, “Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope Benedict commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or the Archbishop of Canterbury ordering all Anglicans to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!”

The Imam was speechless!

I continued, “I also have problem with being your 'friend' when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and he wants you to be there with me?”

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame. Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the 'diversification' training seminar were not happy with this way of dealing with the Islamic Imam and exposing the truth about the Muslims' beliefs.

In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Australia to elect a government of their choice, complete with Shari law.

I think everyone in Britain and Australia should be required to read this, but with the liberal justice system, liberal media and the political correctness madness, there is no way this will be widely publicized.teddybear
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Jun 25, 2009 4:23 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
Pinkpanthera
PinkpantheraPinkpantheraIstanbul, Marmara Turkey24 Posts
The information you have recieved is totally wrong I dont know if you got it wrong or you are distorting the issue.The koran says go to the war againts to the people who attacks you, in the name of the Allah.(thats cihad)It also says who kills someone is considered to kill all humans without any valid reoson.Also who save someone is considered to save all humans.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:44 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
pebblesbamban
pebblesbambanpebblesbambanPennsylvania, USA3 Threads 4,038 Posts
this going to be a good tread for fight for long time...







violin



popcorn
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Jun 25, 2009 4:49 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
kindheart74
kindheart74kindheart74colombo, Western Sri Lanka23 Threads 1 Polls 279 Posts
Pinkpanthera: The information you have recieved is totally wrong I dont know if you got it wrong or you are distorting the issue.The koran says go to the war againts to the people who attacks you, in the name of the Allah.(thats cihad)It also says who kills someone is considered to kill all humans without any valid reoson.Also who save someone is considered to save all humans.


But I know Iran religious leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomein has sentenced death penalty to Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin. They are writers not criminals.
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Jun 25, 2009 4:54 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
SummerUK
SummerUKSummerUKWashington UK, Tyne and Wear, England UK24 Threads 8,842 Posts
You definately have it wrong. Islam is a very peaceful religion which teaches all Muslims to respect other peoples faith.

Obviously there are some who don't follow that teaching but that doesn't mean ALL Muslims are warmongers.

As for the Pope!!! He's not exactly squeaky clean is he?
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Jun 25, 2009 5:10 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
kindheart74
kindheart74kindheart74colombo, Western Sri Lanka23 Threads 1 Polls 279 Posts
SummerUK: You definately have it wrong. Islam is a very peaceful religion which teaches all Muslims to respect other peoples faith.

Obviously there are some who don't follow that teaching but that doesn't mean ALL Muslims are warmongers.

As for the Pope!!! He's not exactly squeaky clean is he?


But how about Iran religious leader Ayatollah Khomein, is he not a real Muslim who follows teaching of prophet Muhammad?
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Jun 25, 2009 5:11 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
Magenta
MagentaMagentaNimbin, New South Wales Australia5 Threads 483 Posts
To the OP, with all due respect, you are wrong on 2 points.

1. Killing infidels does not mean what has been interpreted. With over billions of muslims across the planet, then all the 'non-beleivers' would b dead or injured if the whole faith believed that.

2. When last census was collected in AUS in 2006, they growing popularity of people who claimed buddhism to be there religion (even tho its more of a philosophy) had risen a striking 12% thus making BUDDHISM the highest progressive popular faith.wine
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Jun 25, 2009 5:14 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
Magenta
MagentaMagentaNimbin, New South Wales Australia5 Threads 483 Posts
SummerUK: You definately have it wrong. Islam is a very peaceful religion which teaches all Muslims to respect other peoples faith.

Obviously there are some who don't follow that teaching but that doesn't mean ALL Muslims are warmongers.

As for the Pope!!! He's not exactly squeaky clean is he?
sigh thumbs up
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Jun 25, 2009 5:15 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
SummerUK
SummerUKSummerUKWashington UK, Tyne and Wear, England UK24 Threads 8,842 Posts
kindheart74: But how about Iran religious leader Ayatollah Khomein, is he not a real Muslim who follows teaching of prophet Muhammad?



The Pope doesn't follow the teachings of the bible

dunno
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Jun 25, 2009 5:20 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
kindheart74
kindheart74kindheart74colombo, Western Sri Lanka23 Threads 1 Polls 279 Posts
Magenta: To the OP, with all due respect, you are wrong on 2 points.

1. Killing infidels does not mean what has been interpreted. With over billions of muslims across the planet, then all the 'non-beleivers' would b dead or injured if the whole faith believed that.

2. When last census was collected in AUS in 2006, they growing popularity of people who claimed buddhism to be there religion (even tho its more of a philosophy) had risen a striking 12% thus making BUDDHISM the highest progressive popular faith.


Thanks for the new information for me. I respect Buddhism because it is a nonviolent philosophy and it says not to believe but think logically. It doesn't say animals are for humans to use. yes I love that ideas and so I like if it become the highest progressive popular faith philosophy.
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Jun 25, 2009 5:21 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
kindheart74
kindheart74kindheart74colombo, Western Sri Lanka23 Threads 1 Polls 279 Posts
SummerUK: The Pope doesn't follow the teachings of the bible
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 25, 2009 5:22 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
SummerUK
SummerUKSummerUKWashington UK, Tyne and Wear, England UK24 Threads 8,842 Posts
I know!!! its hilariously hypocrytical isn't it?

grin
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Jun 25, 2009 5:23 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
SummerUK: The Pope doesn't follow the teachings of the bible
ahhh this is true ....but is the pope Catholic?.....laugh
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Jun 25, 2009 5:26 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
kindheart74: Allah or the Lord Jesus?



I choose neither. I choose to live my life a little more free than those that choose to stick to a particular doctrine of life.
(Not meant to offend anyone that chooses to do so)

~JMO~
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Jun 25, 2009 5:27 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
SummerUK
SummerUKSummerUKWashington UK, Tyne and Wear, England UK24 Threads 8,842 Posts
jessejess47: ahhh this is true ....but is the pope Catholic?.....


Haha! thumbs up

I'm Christian myself. I just see so many flaws in my own religion that some people just can't see lol

They pull apart other religions but don't 'Look for the rafters in their own eyes'

(Errrr thats a quote from the Bible grin )


laugh
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Jun 25, 2009 5:30 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
Trealach
TrealachTrealachCork, Ireland1 Threads 137 Posts
SummerUK: Haha!

I'm Christian myself. I just see so many flaws in my own religion that some people just can't see lol

They pull apart other religions but don't 'Look for the rafters in their own eyes'

(Errrr thats a quote from the Bible )


Would that be the re-written Bible by the Monarchy?
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Jun 25, 2009 5:31 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
jessejess47
jessejess47jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Posts
SummerUK: Haha!

I'm Christian myself. I just see so many flaws in my own religion that some people just can't see lol

They pull apart other religions but don't 'Look for the rafters in their own eyes'

(Errrr thats a quote from the Bible )
well I have MY beliefs and not much on church.....I do however respect others beliefs.......I look at the Pope more of a polition than a Priest....grin
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Jun 25, 2009 5:33 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
outalb
outalboutalbaddawha, Qatar8 Threads 41 Posts
But how about Iran religious leader Ayatollah Khomein, is he not a real Muslim who follows teaching of prophet Muhammad?[/quote
do yo really know the teaching of the prophet Muhammad?
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Jun 25, 2009 5:35 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
Pinkpanthera
PinkpantheraPinkpantheraIstanbul, Marmara Turkey24 Posts
kindheart74: But I know Iran religious leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomein has sentenced death penalty to Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin. They are writers not criminals.

I understand the reason why you are geting confused.But listen my dear,First of all there are some people and some goverments in this world,they are using the name of the god and fooling the people with god.Their power come from this political wiev.We need to educate and inform the people about religious abusement.Your point of wiev or example is same like holding responsible all american citizens than the murders in Iraq.George bush says that he is a good christian but I dont know if really he is when I look at his actians.
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Jun 25, 2009 5:38 AM CST Allah or the Lord Jesus?
outalb
outalboutalbaddawha, Qatar8 Threads 41 Posts
Da10th: I choose neither. I choose to live my life a little more free than those that choose to stick to a particular doctrine of life.
(Not meant to offend anyone that chooses to do so)

~JMO~

excuse me, i think that you have not yet really looked for the truth.
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