The Current Health System - Pros and Cons (58)
If the insurance companies had paid more to the Docs and hospitals in the beginning, the hospitals wouldn't be charging $10.00 for an aspirin now, in order to get the 5 cents it's worth.
I've seen what they pay to the doctor when I receive my claim form.
I recently had a mammogram (bill here in front of me) They charged $157., they received $33.03. Think of what they would receive if they charged less?...or a Dr visit which the Dr. charged $100. and the Dr Received $58.
Hey, it costs to go to medical school, run an office and have employees. So they up their fees in order to get a somewhat (?) reasonable amount.
So shoot me if I'm wrong (slap)
I've seen what they pay to the doctor when I receive my claim form.
I recently had a mammogram (bill here in front of me) They charged $157., they received $33.03. Think of what they would receive if they charged less?...or a Dr visit which the Dr. charged $100. and the Dr Received $58.
Hey, it costs to go to medical school, run an office and have employees. So they up their fees in order to get a somewhat (?) reasonable amount.
So shoot me if I'm wrong (slap)
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Zeelander: Exactly... but I don't think they think we are worth it.... so lets put them all on Unemployment and find people who will.
Well, figure out a way to do it Zee.
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Ambrose2007: Well, I appreciate your offering some constructive suggestions along with the Obama-critiques.
I'm not feeling terribly optimistic about getting the same plan as Congress gets...sounds pretty good to me, though.
I'm not feeling terribly optimistic about getting the same plan as Congress gets...sounds pretty good to me, though.
When my local congressman John Yarmoth has his town hall, I will have a sign that says.... "Same Healthcare as Congress or hire a new Congress"
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virgiomonkey: ......Its very similar like Canada and Britain Ambrose,so you can basically say its funded by every Tax payer in New Zealand ......its not perfect...But I can honestly say ,from my experience, I am so pound of our Health care System here in New Zealand.....
J.D
J.D
Lets all go to NZ, can we bunk with you?
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Zeelander: When my local congressman John Yarmoth has his town hall, I will have a sign that says.... "Same Healthcare as Congress or hire a new Congress"
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The Current Health System - Pros and Cons
Exactly, these healthcare cons are pros.
Health insurance, whether public or private, is a racket.
The entire Insurance company and all its employees is nothing but dead weight added cost on top of any actual healthcare costs.
But it's even worse when the state runs the health insurance scam, because you can't sue the state when they gyp you, and you can't just opt out or go to another company.
The worse thing about state health insurance is that it is the first step in building a soviet type socialist state. Believe me, France is already well on its way.
Exactly, these healthcare cons are pros.
Health insurance, whether public or private, is a racket.
The entire Insurance company and all its employees is nothing but dead weight added cost on top of any actual healthcare costs.
But it's even worse when the state runs the health insurance scam, because you can't sue the state when they gyp you, and you can't just opt out or go to another company.
The worse thing about state health insurance is that it is the first step in building a soviet type socialist state. Believe me, France is already well on its way.
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ladyfingers: If the insurance companies had paid more to the Docs and hospitals in the beginning, the hospitals wouldn't be charging $10.00 for an aspirin now, in order to get the 5 cents it's worth.
I've seen what they pay to the doctor when I receive my claim form.
I recently had a mammogram (bill here in front of me) They charged $157., they received $33.03. Think of what they would receive if they charged less?...or a Dr visit which the Dr. charged $100. and the Dr Received $58.
Hey, it costs to go to medical school, run an office and have employees. So they up their fees in order to get a somewhat (?) reasonable amount.
So shoot me if I'm wrong (slap)
I've seen what they pay to the doctor when I receive my claim form.
I recently had a mammogram (bill here in front of me) They charged $157., they received $33.03. Think of what they would receive if they charged less?...or a Dr visit which the Dr. charged $100. and the Dr Received $58.
Hey, it costs to go to medical school, run an office and have employees. So they up their fees in order to get a somewhat (?) reasonable amount.
So shoot me if I'm wrong (slap)
I think you're an example, Lady, of someone who's getting the full benefit of everything that's right - or can be right - in the US system. (Much like GG has experienced much of what's right in the Canadian system.)
Now, my question is for those who haven't had such great experiences, or aren't in a particularly secure situation, vis-à-vis the US system.
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RayfromUSA: The Current Health System - Pros and Cons
Exactly, these healthcare cons are pros.
Health insurance, whether public or private, is a racket.
The entire Insurance company and all its employees is nothing but dead weight added cost on top of any actual healthcare costs.
But it's even worse when the state runs the health insurance scam, because you can't sue the state when they gyp you, and you can't just opt out or go to another company.
The worse thing about state health insurance is that it is the first step in building a soviet type socialist state. Believe me, France is already well on its way.
Exactly, these healthcare cons are pros.
Health insurance, whether public or private, is a racket.
The entire Insurance company and all its employees is nothing but dead weight added cost on top of any actual healthcare costs.
But it's even worse when the state runs the health insurance scam, because you can't sue the state when they gyp you, and you can't just opt out or go to another company.
The worse thing about state health insurance is that it is the first step in building a soviet type socialist state. Believe me, France is already well on its way.
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Ambrose2007: I think you're an example, Lady, of someone who's getting the full benefit of everything that's right - or can be right - in the US system. (Much like GG has experienced much of what's right in the Canadian system.)
Now, my question is for those who haven't had such great experiences, or aren't in a particularly secure situation, vis-à-vis the US system.
Now, my question is for those who haven't had such great experiences, or aren't in a particularly secure situation, vis-à-vis the US system.
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RayfromUSA: The Current Health System - Pros and Cons
Exactly, these healthcare cons are pros.
Health insurance, whether public or private, is a racket.
The entire Insurance company and all its employees is nothing but dead weight added cost on top of any actual healthcare costs.
But it's even worse when the state runs the health insurance scam, because you can't sue the state when they gyp you, and you can't just opt out or go to another company.
The worse thing about state health insurance is that it is the first step in building a soviet type socialist state. Believe me, France is already well on its way.
Exactly, these healthcare cons are pros.
Health insurance, whether public or private, is a racket.
The entire Insurance company and all its employees is nothing but dead weight added cost on top of any actual healthcare costs.
But it's even worse when the state runs the health insurance scam, because you can't sue the state when they gyp you, and you can't just opt out or go to another company.
The worse thing about state health insurance is that it is the first step in building a soviet type socialist state. Believe me, France is already well on its way.
Hmmm...something tells me that the argument that every society which has "universal health" is headed for a (former) Soviet Union-style system wouldn't be particularly convincing to most people in those systems.
It's akin to the declaration that "mixed free enterprise" such as found in the US inevitably leads to all-out socialism, and thus to a totalitarian society.
I've been hearing that ideological canard for years, and once even espoused it myself, but I've seen that political climatology is rather more complex than that in real life.
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ladyfingers: If the insurance companies had paid more to the Docs and hospitals in the beginning, the hospitals wouldn't be charging $10.00 for an aspirin now, in order to get the 5 cents it's worth.
That's exactly the problem, greed, at every turn.
And that won't change when the state takes over.
The problem with America in general is, above all, greed.
And that greed brought down the whole economy.
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ladyfingers: ha ha ha ha, maybe you can smuggle some on the plane with you...or take a lot before you leave.
I can see it now....
Flight Attendant: Sir are you ok?
Me: I need to join the mile high club.... NOW!!!
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ladyfingers: Lets all go to NZ, can we bunk with you?
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You are most Welcome Lady finger...But first,check out the 'The Netherlands'.....In my humble opinion they have the best health care in the World... 
J.D
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Well!!!!! I can take a hint.
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virgiomonkey: ....................... You are most Welcome Lady finger...But first,check out the 'The Netherlands'.....In my humble opinion they have the best health care in the World...
J.D
J.D
Free Heroin?
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RayfromUSA: That's exactly the problem, greed, at every turn.
And that won't change when the state takes over.
The problem with America in general is, above all, greed.
And that greed brought down the whole economy.
And that won't change when the state takes over.
The problem with America in general is, above all, greed.
And that greed brought down the whole economy.
Everyone is greedy, Ray, not just the USA.
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ladyfingers: Everyone is greedy, Ray, not just the USA.
Right. As though human nature was somehow different in the US.
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Zeelander: Free Heroin?
.....Very correct Zee....If you have an terminal Illness ,like Cancer,'You' as the patient can choose what pain relief suits you the best....Either Hash,Cannabis,Morphine or Heroin....or a combination of the above mention that suits you.....
J.D
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ladyfingers: Everyone is greedy, Ray, not just the USA.
................Bingo....Correct Lady fingers...
J.D
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J.D
Have you had much experience with it, JD?
I've had wildly varied reports from Canada. My gf - the infamous "Grammargirl" here on CS - lives in a medium-sized city in Manitoba, and her care seems excellent. Yet her brother, and other Canadians I've corresponded with, don't give particularly high reviews. The care seems to vary a lot depending on location and other factors.
Have you heard anything like that in NZ?