ITS A YES!! (93)
Well lets look at the yes campaigners.
All upstanding and trustworthy citizens, who can be totally trusted, with excellent references from their current jobs.
Like I said, no point debating now, its done, time will tell
All upstanding and trustworthy citizens, who can be totally trusted, with excellent references from their current jobs.
Like I said, no point debating now, its done, time will tell
lorraine: I just hope that the jobs and prosperity promised by the government if they got a yes vote is not another of their lies. People voted yes because of the state the country is in and were afraid not to. The treaty is not going to do anything for the crisis we are in now.
I really hope I am wrong but somehow don't think so.
yes it is true that Ireland gained a lot from joining the e.u. one example is the M50. That was paid for by europe, and we are still paying for it. We must have paid for it 100 times over but still the tolls have to be paid, who is scamming who, the government scamming us. Where did the money come from for the yes vote campaign, from the e.u. No campaign had to find their own
A no vote would not put us out of e.u.
It was a no to the treaty.
Well we had our chance and but the scaremongers won.
I really hope I am wrong but somehow don't think so.
yes it is true that Ireland gained a lot from joining the e.u. one example is the M50. That was paid for by europe, and we are still paying for it. We must have paid for it 100 times over but still the tolls have to be paid, who is scamming who, the government scamming us. Where did the money come from for the yes vote campaign, from the e.u. No campaign had to find their own
A no vote would not put us out of e.u.
It was a no to the treaty.
Well we had our chance and but the scaremongers won.
Lorraine, the scaremongers won the first time! They told a pack of lies and got away with it. They didn't this time. Also the jobs angle was a negative one....it is not that jobs are guaranteed by a yes vote, just that they were seriously threatened by a no vote. I don't think the american multi-nationals were bluffing about their attitude should we walk away from Europe.
I don't understand why you think we are paying and paying for things...the problem is that our entire tax take is so low compared to the demands of paying for health, education, social welfare and other things that we have to borrow over 20 billion to get by. People are under no obligation to loan us the money. Our credible strong membership of the EU and the Euro gives us the power to borrow. Otherwise we would be in a far worse state. Lets not make unnecessary enemies from a selfish attitude to Lisbon when we have never needed friends so much.
lorraine: Well lets look at the yes campaigners.
All upstanding and trustworthy citizens, who can be totally trusted, with excellent references from their current jobs.
Like I said, no point debating now, its done, time will tell
All upstanding and trustworthy citizens, who can be totally trusted, with excellent references from their current jobs.
Like I said, no point debating now, its done, time will tell
The Yes campaigners were mostly the Governemtn we elected two years ago and the Opposition (bar Sinn Fein) that we voted for at the same time. These are OUR representatives not someone else's
tornado778: hope all ye yes campaingers are as happy in 10/20 years time when your kids are fighthing a war in iran/north korea that we didnt start as part of the rapid reaction force,,, well done!!!
good point and I wouldnt want to see planes landing at shannon with the bodies of young Irish men and women being carried off in coffins draped with tri colours, but on our status as a neutral state we arent actually neutral we are helpless, swedish neutrality is backed up a fairly impressive land army , I believe national service is compulsory there still so if needs arise they are capable of defending their borders, without the prescence of nearby european countries who have large armies and yesone with a navy that once ruled an empire where the sun never set, we couldnt defend ourselves.
Fallingman: The Yes campaigners were mostly the Governemtn we elected two years ago and the Opposition (bar Sinn Fein) that we voted for at the same time. These are OUR representatives not someone else's
yes that's right and have done such a wonderful job of it too.
lorraine: yes that's right and have done such a wonderful job of it too.
I agree. But as long as we live in a democracy we get to vote for people and then must accept that they are elected to represent us for five years. Then we can change them if we want.
Meanwhile they are our choice and therefore our fault
Fallingman: I agree. But as long as we live in a democracy we get to vote for people and then must accept that they are elected to represent us for five years. Then we can change them if we want.
Meanwhile they are our choice and therefore our fault
Meanwhile they are our choice and therefore our fault
that's the whole point.
A yes vote means we have no say in running our country.
there is no getting them out, once we are in we can't come out.
The tiny say that the Irish people had in what goes on here is gone.
lorraine: that's the whole point.
A yes vote means we have no say in running our country.
there is no getting them out, once we are in we can't come out.
The tiny say that the Irish people had in what goes on here is gone.
A yes vote means we have no say in running our country.
there is no getting them out, once we are in we can't come out.
The tiny say that the Irish people had in what goes on here is gone.
I'm sorry to say but that just isn't true.
Fallingman: I'm sorry to say but that just isn't true.
Well time will tell. I hope you are right and I am wrong. I hope the yes vote is the best thing for our country.
The only way to know is to sit back and let them at it. what else can the ants do.
lorraine: Well time will tell. I hope you are right and I am wrong. I hope the yes vote is the best thing for our country.
The only way to know is to sit back and let them at it. what else can the ants do.
The only way to know is to sit back and let them at it. what else can the ants do.
Ireland is the Country with the highest debt in the EU, anyone here wanna tell me how you will be able to pay back when you fall out of the loophole?
SlyIrish: Ireland is the Country with the highest debt in the EU, anyone here wanna tell me how you will be able to pay back when you fall out of the loophole?
The same way we pay it back while in the "loophole"
Cuts in everything except our elected representives wages,expenses etc.
I am happy with the YES vote!I like europe and like are Germany and French and UK countries being part of the eu, the YES vote is great for Ireland.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
TheRocker: I am happy with the YES vote!I like europe and like are Germany and French and UK countries being part of the eu, the YES vote is great for Ireland.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
i agree...i think a no vote would have been a very bad choice for ireland in our economic situation at thistimeEurope and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
TheRocker: I am happy with the YES vote!I like europe and like are Germany and French and UK countries being part of the eu, the YES vote is great for Ireland.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
i agree...i think a no vote would have been a very bad choice for ireland in our economic situation at thistimeEurope and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
TheRocker: I am happy with the YES vote!I like europe and like are Germany and French and UK countries being part of the eu, the YES vote is great for Ireland.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
I agree. Europe has helped Irish people be more proud and more Irish.
TheRocker: I am happy with the YES vote!I like europe and like are Germany and French and UK countries being part of the eu, the YES vote is great for Ireland.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
Europe and the euro currency has help Ireland in its time of need from becoming a disaster like Icelandic ecomomy.
Mmmmm is the icelandic economy any worse than ours then?
It was interesting to c the 1 bank that didnt suffer so much was run by women!
Now i havent heard much about the Lisbon Treaty not been ratified by Poland and esp. the Czech republic which i wont be surprised if they dont, wonder what will happen then
nitak: Mmmmm is the icelandic economy any worse than ours then?
It was interesting to c the 1 bank that didnt suffer so much was run by women!
Now i havent heard much about the Lisbon Treaty not been ratified by Poland and esp. the Czech republic which i wont be surprised if they dont, wonder what will happen then
It was interesting to c the 1 bank that didnt suffer so much was run by women!
Now i havent heard much about the Lisbon Treaty not been ratified by Poland and esp. the Czech republic which i wont be surprised if they dont, wonder what will happen then
Believe it or not the poor Icelanders are a lot worse off. We were in the Euro...that saved our bacon!
Fallingman: Believe it or not the poor Icelanders are a lot worse off. We were in the Euro...that saved our bacon!
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Before we joined the EU we were completely, totally and utterly dependent on the UK. We had little or no other trade links. Our laws were based on UK law. We were Britain's "poor relation". Most of our unemployed went to the UK to get work..and the treatment they received is well documented.
We may have had our own Government since 1922 but everything we did had to follow Britain..we had no other choice. We were independent in name only. It suited ritain for us to be kept weak and linked to them.
We are more independent and sooo much stronger as a nation in the EU than we ever were before we joined.
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This is the crucial point...well said. All this bull about loss of independence is British right wing propaganda that has been pushed at us for thirty years by Rupert Murdoch's papers and the Mail and their kind. Ireland is much freer in the EU than ever before. We have taken agriculture money and particularly regional money to build our infrastructure and our independence. Lisbon doesn't give us a bribe of a pile of cash, it just allows the EU to reorganise more efficiently and give a chance to other states who join....a chance like we had before. It doesnt harm us and it wasnt a lot to ask of us that we endorse a treaty that took all of the states, big and small, including us, seven years to negotiate.
Just look at the coalition that wants NO - Sinn Fein, Coir, Dana and company, Patricia McKenna (who is against everything) and some people who are opposed on principle to any ceding of sovereignty (a position that can be respected though it is arguable how practical it is). Then there is the cranky reactionary President of the Czech Republic who seems determined to thwart the will of his own people and the British Eurosceptics. God help us in that company.
Worse still there is the delusion on the No side that there is some better treaty to be had by us saying no. Who is going to negotiate it? Sinn Fein? Give me a break!!
It was a good day for Ireland's battered reputation. We did the right thing to aid others and now we can get back to looking after the shambles our country has fallen ito with some friends to help us!