How Do You Relate To God? (48)
RobertC2: I mean it, dammit!
My last ex wife told me today she is getting re-baptised today (Sunday) but that the heating has broken down so it'll be a 'cold dunk'
My last ex wife told me today she is getting re-baptised today (Sunday) but that the heating has broken down so it'll be a 'cold dunk'
She told me yesterday (Saturday)
6.22 a.m. Sunday here and I'm not fully awake yet!
She probably wants to be 'born again' - post Robert!
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I don't get it, Robert!
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HealthyLiving: I don't get it, Robert!
What don't you get?
My last wife, an American lady, is religious.
She is being baptised again today (Sunday) because she felt her life and relationship with God needed to be renewed... she 'backslid' especially after meeting me.
We lived together before we got married.
She now sees that as a mortal sin....... even if it made her very, very happy at the time.
What don't you get?
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calmheartseeks: If one draws near to God in a place where He is worshipped, and joins with others in prayers and unity, religion can help uplift and support a Christian who is trying to walk alone in a world that scoffs at his beliefs.
To those who think that Christians are fools, we are all fools for one thing or another. It's just a matter of choosing!
To those who think that Christians are fools, we are all fools for one thing or another. It's just a matter of choosing!
You could say the same about a football supporter going to a match where there are thousands of like minded people, in a communal mental frenzy of unity and support of a cause or belief !
Some folks need the security and assurity of others, and some don't. As you say, it is just a matter of choosing. It is all just a delusion that some choose to follow..... religion, love, hate etc.
Q. Isn't the relationship you say you have with God, really about just getting to know yourself and following your own conscience and sense of morality ?
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RobertC2: Not exactly.
My last wife had previously been married for over 30 years; she was a grandmother when I met her.
Her ex husband had been the only man in her life before she met me.
She was probably rather shocked that there had been several women in my life and has always considered me to be a bit promiscuous although I tend to disagree with her on that point.
I'm a serial monogamist.
I'd like a relationship to last forever, but so far it obviously hasn't quite happened yet!
My last wife had previously been married for over 30 years; she was a grandmother when I met her.
Her ex husband had been the only man in her life before she met me.
She was probably rather shocked that there had been several women in my life and has always considered me to be a bit promiscuous although I tend to disagree with her on that point.
I'm a serial monogamist.
I'd like a relationship to last forever, but so far it obviously hasn't quite happened yet!
so when are you going to learn from your mistake, my dear wise man? you can't obviously expect a better and different result after trying the same thing over and over again. can you, my dear young man?
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There is nothing I have posted here to suggest I am in a frenzy. But yes, I am caught up in loving the God I know, and not because of the reasons you cited. It grew from many years of trying to learn the truth. Clearly people come to different conclusions of what that is, but I don't claim what I believe to be all definitive of truth, as I believe we are constantly growing in truth.
Why is it if someone posts here that they are a believer in Christ or God, they have to get into a discussion defending it? I will answer your one question, though. No, it is not about knowing me and following my own morality. I am much too selfish for that to be even close, sorry to say.
Why is it if someone posts here that they are a believer in Christ or God, they have to get into a discussion defending it? I will answer your one question, though. No, it is not about knowing me and following my own morality. I am much too selfish for that to be even close, sorry to say.
RDM59: You could say the same about a football supporter going to a match where there are thousands of like minded people, in a communal mental frenzy of unity and support of a cause or belief !
Some folks need the security and assurity of others, and some don't. As you say, it is just a matter of choosing. It is all just a delusion that some choose to follow..... religion, love, hate etc.
Q. Isn't the relationship you say you have with God, really about just getting to know yourself and following your own conscience and sense of morality ?
Some folks need the security and assurity of others, and some don't. As you say, it is just a matter of choosing. It is all just a delusion that some choose to follow..... religion, love, hate etc.
Q. Isn't the relationship you say you have with God, really about just getting to know yourself and following your own conscience and sense of morality ?
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HealthyLiving: It's very possible!!!
Perhaps a very good reason to avoid Religion like the plague!
That's why I only Trust God and the voice of the Holy Spirit.
He brings forth confirmation and He is not a man, that He should lie.
Yes I have a passionate fire for God!
I pray it consumes me Forever!
His LOVE will Never Fail!
Perhaps a very good reason to avoid Religion like the plague!
That's why I only Trust God and the voice of the Holy Spirit.
He brings forth confirmation and He is not a man, that He should lie.
Yes I have a passionate fire for God!
I pray it consumes me Forever!
His LOVE will Never Fail!
Q.... did you loose faith or trust in a man once and have so turned to God as a substitute ? For mental self preservation purposes ...
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calmheartseeks: There is nothing I have posted here to suggest I am in a frenzy. But yes, I am caught up in loving the God I know, and not because of the reasons you cited. It grew from many years of trying to learn the truth. Clearly people come to different conclusions of what that is, but I don't claim what I believe to be all definitive of truth, as I believe we are constantly growing in truth.
Why is it if someone posts here that they are a believer in Christ or God, they have to get into a discussion defending it? I will answer your one question, though. No, it is not about knowing me and following my own morality. I am much too selfish for that to be even close, sorry to say.
Why is it if someone posts here that they are a believer in Christ or God, they have to get into a discussion defending it? I will answer your one question, though. No, it is not about knowing me and following my own morality. I am much too selfish for that to be even close, sorry to say.
I see this as a philosophical debate rather that a religious bashing, sorry if you feel defensive. I used the word frenzy not as some sort of mindless insult but some religious groups do play on it and feed off each other and get themselves into this trance like state. The same with a group of sports fans or music lovers at a live gig.
You say you have found God in the search for truth but then say the search is not over yet, so do you still have some niggling doubts ? I personally think that keeping an open mind is healthy, these threads interest me very much, to learn what spiritual believers get from their faith and how they come about finding it. It would be wonderful be in this happy state, I just don't buy it all personally....
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RDM59: I see this as a philosophical debate rather that a religious bashing, sorry if you feel defensive. I used the word frenzy not as some sort of mindless insult but some religious groups do play on it and feed off each other and get themselves into this trance like state. The same with a group of sports fans or music lovers at a live gig.
You say you have found God in the search for truth but then say the search is not over yet, so do you still have some niggling doubts ? I personally think that keeping an open mind is healthy, these threads interest me very much, to learn what spiritual believers get from their faith and how they come about finding it. It would be wonderful be in this happy state, I just don't buy it all personally....
You say you have found God in the search for truth but then say the search is not over yet, so do you still have some niggling doubts ? I personally think that keeping an open mind is healthy, these threads interest me very much, to learn what spiritual believers get from their faith and how they come about finding it. It would be wonderful be in this happy state, I just don't buy it all personally....
Snap!
I have to admit to being envious of people with faith........ they are so SURE that they are right. It must be very nice for them to have such emotional security, but I can't buy it all either.
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RobertC2: Snap!
I have to admit to being envious of people with faith........ they are so SURE that they are right. It must be very nice for them to have such emotional security, but I can't buy it all either.
I have to admit to being envious of people with faith........ they are so SURE that they are right. It must be very nice for them to have such emotional security, but I can't buy it all either.
well..while being sure about something is a good thing, being sure about one's "faith" is not really encouraged(in my humble opinion) because the act of "being sure" may lead people to become arrogant and closed-minded and thus creating an an invisible fence between people with "sure faith" and "no faith/fragile faith".
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And to the point where they can then justify war and death over it ..... 
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RDM59: And to the point where they can then justify war and death over it .....
i am afraid so, RD
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Hmmm, if there was a God? Jesus Christ! This world would be much happier?
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RDM59: I see this as a philosophical debate rather that a religious bashing, sorry if you feel defensive. I used the word frenzy not as some sort of mindless insult but some religious groups do play on it and feed off each other and get themselves into this trance like state. The same with a group of sports fans or music lovers at a live gig.
You say you have found God in the search for truth but then say the search is not over yet, so do you still have some niggling doubts ? I personally think that keeping an open mind is healthy, these threads interest me very much, to learn what spiritual believers get from their faith and how they come about finding it. It would be wonderful be in this happy state, I just don't buy it all personally....
You say you have found God in the search for truth but then say the search is not over yet, so do you still have some niggling doubts ? I personally think that keeping an open mind is healthy, these threads interest me very much, to learn what spiritual believers get from their faith and how they come about finding it. It would be wonderful be in this happy state, I just don't buy it all personally....
Hi, let me start off by saying I loved Scotland when I was there!
Regarding this as a philosophical issue/debate....I agree. I don't want to debate about who's correct and why, you're right in that it would turn into a frenzy.
Regarding searching for God, I do believe I have found God in my own belief system and do not doubt it at all. Regarding still searching; I didn't mean for it to come off that way at all. This is just my personal belief system and am not here to start anything negative about anyone's beliefs. I'm still going through lessons here until it's my time to leave this physical plane.
I can say a lot of what I believe comes from having a near-death-experience but I don't want to start a frenzy about NDE's. I will say only this....the most important lesson in this universe is love & compassion....
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I know you don't want to 'start a frenzy' about NDE, but have you told us about it somewhere in the forums? I am sure people would be interested and I hope respectful.
mikey12654: Hi, let me start off by saying I loved Scotland when I was there!
Regarding this as a philosophical issue/debate....I agree. I don't want to debate about who's correct and why, you're right in that it would turn into a frenzy.
Regarding searching for God, I do believe I have found God in my own belief system and do not doubt it at all. Regarding still searching; I didn't mean for it to come off that way at all. This is just my personal belief system and am not here to start anything negative about anyone's beliefs. I'm still going through lessons here until it's my time to leave this physical plane.
I can say a lot of what I believe comes from having a near-death-experience but I don't want to start a frenzy about NDE's. I will say only this....the most important lesson in this universe is love & compassion....
Regarding this as a philosophical issue/debate....I agree. I don't want to debate about who's correct and why, you're right in that it would turn into a frenzy.
Regarding searching for God, I do believe I have found God in my own belief system and do not doubt it at all. Regarding still searching; I didn't mean for it to come off that way at all. This is just my personal belief system and am not here to start anything negative about anyone's beliefs. I'm still going through lessons here until it's my time to leave this physical plane.
I can say a lot of what I believe comes from having a near-death-experience but I don't want to start a frenzy about NDE's. I will say only this....the most important lesson in this universe is love & compassion....
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mikey12654: Hi, let me start off by saying I loved Scotland when I was there!
Regarding this as a philosophical issue/debate....I agree. I don't want to debate about who's correct and why, you're right in that it would turn into a frenzy.
Regarding searching for God, I do believe I have found God in my own belief system and do not doubt it at all. Regarding still searching; I didn't mean for it to come off that way at all. This is just my personal belief system and am not here to start anything negative about anyone's beliefs. I'm still going through lessons here until it's my time to leave this physical plane.
I can say a lot of what I believe comes from having a near-death-experience but I don't want to start a frenzy about NDE's. I will say only this....the most important lesson in this universe is love & compassion....
Regarding this as a philosophical issue/debate....I agree. I don't want to debate about who's correct and why, you're right in that it would turn into a frenzy.
Regarding searching for God, I do believe I have found God in my own belief system and do not doubt it at all. Regarding still searching; I didn't mean for it to come off that way at all. This is just my personal belief system and am not here to start anything negative about anyone's beliefs. I'm still going through lessons here until it's my time to leave this physical plane.
I can say a lot of what I believe comes from having a near-death-experience but I don't want to start a frenzy about NDE's. I will say only this....the most important lesson in this universe is love & compassion....
I agree, love and compassion is the desire. But is a belief in God or religion a necessity for achieving this ? Not in my personal experience ! Regarding NDE's, is it possible through a spiritual belief system that your brain is so conditioned with and entrusted to, that at the point of death ( if in awareness ) the stress of the brain reinforces your desire and creates an illusion.
Believers must have imagined and visualized their perceptions of god, heaven, afterlife etc over the course of time. Are these visions not just those memories being spewed forth from a dying brain ?
What is a dream ? ...
We hear many NDE reports of seeing a light at the end of a tunnel, or their spirit hovering over their own body. I can visualize this or dream about this. And I can recall these any time..... anyway just a thought on the matter.
Glad you enjoyed your visit to Scotland ...
with some sunshine, it's almost perfect...
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mnowsa: so when are you going to learn from your mistake, my dear wise man? you can't obviously expect a better and different result after trying the same thing over and over again. can you, my dear young man?
I can but keep trying!
If at first you don't succeed.......... try, try again!
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calmheartseeks: I know you don't want to 'start a frenzy' about NDE, but have you told us about it somewhere in the forums? I am sure people would be interested and I hope respectful.
Actually, I'm a bit sorry that I mentioned my NDE because of all the crap I'd get from people saying anything to discredit NDE's if I posted it on here. I'm sure there would be some respectful folks like you that would comment, but there are lots of jerks that would make idiot statements about me as well as the cause of NDE's.
I will only say that mine was life changing for me and my research into what I call a genuine NDE confirms my belief. There are other stories that leave no doubt in my mind.
You might want to check out the International Studies for Near Death Studies on the web, it's fascinating
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RobertC2: I can but keep trying!
If at first you don't succeed.......... try, try again!
If at first you don't succeed.......... try, try again!
i am not sure that women here would be very encouraged after your " try, try again" plan. how about just say that you are going to try this one more time and you will do everything to make it work?
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I mean it, dammit!
My last ex wife told me today she is getting re-baptised today (Sunday) but that the heating has broken down so it'll be a 'cold dunk'
She probably wants to be 'born again' - post Robert!