The Cost of the Church (44)
DodgeBabe: I work in a Catholic Diocese office here. Im not particulary RC and grew up in a multi-denominational family. But its a good job, and the people are great.
However...I cannot abide the expense that I see that is spent on the Churches around here, the Bishop's Residence, etc, etc. As much as I respect them all, I feel very uncomfortable about the amount of money I see used in the Name of the Church.
To make matters more difficult for me, I work in the Development Office for the Bishop's Fund. Raising MORE money!
I have days when I have a crisis of conscience, when I see the poverty that arises in other areas of life.
However...I cannot abide the expense that I see that is spent on the Churches around here, the Bishop's Residence, etc, etc. As much as I respect them all, I feel very uncomfortable about the amount of money I see used in the Name of the Church.
To make matters more difficult for me, I work in the Development Office for the Bishop's Fund. Raising MORE money!
I have days when I have a crisis of conscience, when I see the poverty that arises in other areas of life.
Hey Dodge ... there seems to be very few controls on expenditure within the church ... no expense spared and when you realise that a percentage reduction, would have a huge impact and not a token impact on people's lives, it would be very hard not have the old crisis every now and again ... can you influence policies in any way or make suggestions?
skinnyminnypink: Hey Dodge ... there seems to be very few controls on expenditure within the church ... no expense spared and when you realise that a percentage reduction, would have a huge impact and not a token impact on people's lives, it would be very hard not have the old crisis every now and again ... can you influence policies in any way or make suggestions?
Hi Skinny..
Well, no. I guess we have no control over these things. Thats why I have a crisis in my thinking sometimes. Im not a non-believer, but I do feel uncomfortable about the amount of money spent on religious effects and buildings and cowering down to the clerics that goes on.
Doesnt balance out with the way things are in the modern world, to me. Especially in this economy..
May I suggest you go to confession with one of the priests, telling him how you are "robbing" (for want of a better term) the poor on behalf of the Church?
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Oh, DodgeBabe, I don't envy you 
And I can well understand your "crisis of conscience". Especially if one bears in mind that the Catholic Church is the richest institution and the Vatican the richest state on earth.
Even though I'm not a Christian myself, I often wondered if that was what Jesus had in mind
I seem to recall something along the lines of "to give is better than to take"... I apologize for the bad translation, I don't know the English words from the bible.
And I can well understand your "crisis of conscience". Especially if one bears in mind that the Catholic Church is the richest institution and the Vatican the richest state on earth. Even though I'm not a Christian myself, I often wondered if that was what Jesus had in mind
I seem to recall something along the lines of "to give is better than to take"... I apologize for the bad translation, I don't know the English words from the bible.Sevenotwo: May I suggest you go to confession with one of the priests, telling him how you are "robbing" (for want of a better term) the poor on behalf of the Church?
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Tried last week..
They wouldnt let me in until I handed over a Silver Dollar..
felinelady: Oh, DodgeBabe, I don't envy you And I can well understand your "crisis of conscience". Especially if one bears in mind that the Catholic Church is the richest institution and the Vatican the richest state on earth.
Even though I'm not a Christian myself, I often wondered if that was what Jesus had in mind I seem to recall something along the lines of "to give is better than to take"... I apologize for the bad translation, I don't know the English words from the bible.
Even though I'm not a Christian myself, I often wondered if that was what Jesus had in mind I seem to recall something along the lines of "to give is better than to take"... I apologize for the bad translation, I don't know the English words from the bible.
I do believe that Jesus threw the traders out of the temple! But the church leaders got him crucified so what chance do you have?
felinelady: Oh, DodgeBabe, I don't envy you And I can well understand your "crisis of conscience". Especially if one bears in mind that the Catholic Church is the richest institution and the Vatican the richest state on earth.
Even though I'm not a Christian myself, I often wondered if that was what Jesus had in mind I seem to recall something along the lines of "to give is better than to take"... I apologize for the bad translation, I don't know the English words from the bible.
Even though I'm not a Christian myself, I often wondered if that was what Jesus had in mind I seem to recall something along the lines of "to give is better than to take"... I apologize for the bad translation, I don't know the English words from the bible.
Hi Feline..
Yep, you got it.
I was thinking about this the other break time, when I was skulking outside the pristine Diocese offices smoking my cigarette.
The Bishop, whose residence is next door to where I work, has a huge house, a driver, a housekeeper, countless cleaners, a secretary and many minions employed to do his bidding, no doubt. He's a lovely guy, very down to earth, but I feel slightly resentful every time I meet him.
Its a strange feeling..
DodgeBabe: Tried last week..
They wouldnt let me in until I handed over a Silver Dollar..
They wouldnt let me in until I handed over a Silver Dollar..
At least you tried, Girl!
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I'm not going to go on a rant here (even though I feel a "holy wrath" coming in each time I think about it), but looking back in history, I cannot honestly say the catholic church has done much good. The female discrimination alone is enough to get my blood boiling. I mean, how DARE they tell us that women cannot do the same jobs in religious service as men??? Oh, don't get me started!
I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment. "The serpent and the goddess" by Mary Condren. It was "forbidden" in Ireland for the longest time, by the way. I can highly recommend it, a real eye opener regarding the start and development of male domination in the catholic church, and especially in Ireland.
I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment. "The serpent and the goddess" by Mary Condren. It was "forbidden" in Ireland for the longest time, by the way. I can highly recommend it, a real eye opener regarding the start and development of male domination in the catholic church, and especially in Ireland.
DodgeBabe: Hi Feline..
Yep, you got it.
I was thinking about this the other break time, when I was skulking outside the pristine Diocese offices smoking my cigarette.
The Bishop, whose residence is next door to where I work, has a huge house, a driver, a housekeeper, countless cleaners, a secretary and many minions employed to do his bidding, no doubt. He's a lovely guy, very down to earth, but I feel slightly resentful every time I meet him.
Its a strange feeling..
Yep, you got it.
I was thinking about this the other break time, when I was skulking outside the pristine Diocese offices smoking my cigarette.
The Bishop, whose residence is next door to where I work, has a huge house, a driver, a housekeeper, countless cleaners, a secretary and many minions employed to do his bidding, no doubt. He's a lovely guy, very down to earth, but I feel slightly resentful every time I meet him.
Its a strange feeling..
Not a strange feeling, Dodge.... but your economic situation is dependant on having a job with them at the moment ... difficult one to call ... come to Ireland and we will love you and look after you .....
felinelady: I'm not going to go on a rant here (even though I feel a "holy wrath" coming in each time I think about it), but looking back in history, I cannot honestly say the catholic church has done much good. The female discrimination alone is enough to get my blood boiling. I mean, how DARE they tell us that women cannot do the same jobs in religious service as men??? Oh, don't get me started!
I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment. "The serpent and the goddess" by Mary Condren. It was "forbidden" in Ireland for the longest time, by the way. I can highly recommend it, a real eye opener regarding the start and development of male domination in the catholic church, and especially in Ireland.
I'm reading a very interesting book at the moment. "The serpent and the goddess" by Mary Condren. It was "forbidden" in Ireland for the longest time, by the way. I can highly recommend it, a real eye opener regarding the start and development of male domination in the catholic church, and especially in Ireland.
Yes, I feel the same sometimes!
Get this: I was told by my work colleague that I was "not allowed" to go outside at my break to have a cigarette by the Monseigneur. I wasnt happy at all.
Finally, I got "permission", but still felt like he was treating me like a school girl.
Very male dominated, to be sure.
skinnyminnypink: Not a strange feeling, Dodge.... but your economic situation is dependant on having a job with them at the moment ... difficult one to call ... come to Ireland and we will love you and look after you .....
Will bear that in mind!I love my job, dont get me wrong. It involves alot of charity work and raising funds for the homeless and families in need, so I guess that salves my conscience enough!
DodgeBabe: Yes, I feel the same sometimes!
Get this: I was told by my work colleague that I was "not allowed" to go outside at my break to have a cigarette by the Monseigneur. I wasnt happy at all.
Finally, I got "permission", but still felt like he was treating me like a school girl.
Very male dominated, to be sure.
Get this: I was told by my work colleague that I was "not allowed" to go outside at my break to have a cigarette by the Monseigneur. I wasnt happy at all.
Finally, I got "permission", but still felt like he was treating me like a school girl.
Very male dominated, to be sure.
Just be grateful he wasn't treating you like a schoolboy!
Godsgift: Just be grateful he wasn't treating you like a schoolboy!
True!
DodgeBabe: True!
the catholic church is not a true reflection on the teaching
of jesus or is it a true reflection of the early church.if
the lord jesus walked in to the vatican
and said im taken over
iwant all you money your possions because you have lived in the good life while my people were starveing.
they would throw him out. that is how much they want to cling
to power, sorry if i have offended anyone.
DodgeBabe: Wow, there, Lady! Watch your blood pressure!
All the ladies are lovely, and very kind, and I dont have much contact with the Lofty Bods. The Bishop is great, very cool, jogs every day and is very taken with me being somewhat Irish! Half the employees there are either Irish or part Irish decent so I fit in great!
Its just a little archaic in there sometimes. Im a bit more of a free spirit than they are used to, I think.
All the ladies are lovely, and very kind, and I dont have much contact with the Lofty Bods. The Bishop is great, very cool, jogs every day and is very taken with me being somewhat Irish! Half the employees there are either Irish or part Irish decent so I fit in great!
Its just a little archaic in there sometimes. Im a bit more of a free spirit than they are used to, I think.
Come to us, Babog ... we'll mind you .................
DodgeBabe: Wow, there, Lady! Watch your blood pressure!
All the ladies are lovely, and very kind, and I dont have much contact with the Lofty Bods. The Bishop is great, very cool, jogs every day and is very taken with me being somewhat Irish! Half the employees there are either Irish or part Irish decent so I fit in great!
Its just a little archaic in there sometimes. Im a bit more of a free spirit than they are used to, I think.
All the ladies are lovely, and very kind, and I dont have much contact with the Lofty Bods. The Bishop is great, very cool, jogs every day and is very taken with me being somewhat Irish! Half the employees there are either Irish or part Irish decent so I fit in great!
Its just a little archaic in there sometimes. Im a bit more of a free spirit than they are used to, I think.
Bet they would roast me on a pyre! They still don't like witches, I hear
Too much wisdom and power in a woman doesn't sit well with them. But.... let me not say or do bad against anybody. The threefold law works well without my interfering
royester24: the catholic church is not a true reflection on the teaching
of jesus or is it a true reflection of the early church.if
the lord jesus walked in to the vatican
and said im taken over
iwant all you money your possions because you have lived in the good life while my people were starveing.
they would throw him out. that is how much they want to cling
to power, sorry if i have offended anyone.
of jesus or is it a true reflection of the early church.if
the lord jesus walked in to the vatican
and said im taken over
iwant all you money your possions because you have lived in the good life while my people were starveing.
they would throw him out. that is how much they want to cling
to power, sorry if i have offended anyone.
I would tend to agree with alot of what you say, Sir. But I am staying out of the hardline religious politics.
royester24: the catholic church is not a true reflection on the teaching
of jesus or is it a true reflection of the early church.if
the lord jesus walked in to the vatican
and said im taken over
iwant all you money your possions because you have lived in the good life while my people were starveing.
they would throw him out. that is how much they want to cling
to power, sorry if i have offended anyone.
of jesus or is it a true reflection of the early church.if
the lord jesus walked in to the vatican
and said im taken over
iwant all you money your possions because you have lived in the good life while my people were starveing.
they would throw him out. that is how much they want to cling
to power, sorry if i have offended anyone.
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However...I cannot abide the expense that I see that is spent on the Churches around here, the Bishop's Residence, etc, etc. As much as I respect them all, I feel very uncomfortable about the amount of money I see used in the Name of the Church.
To make matters more difficult for me, I work in the Development Office for the Bishop's Fund. Raising MORE money!
I have days when I have a crisis of conscience, when I see the poverty that arises in other areas of life.