What do we do with all the ghost estates? (39)
whiteontop: You should thank your luck stars that 200,000 Polish people have returned to Poland.
Was it ok if i had a sneaky giggle at that??
kielybear: Was it ok if i had a sneaky giggle at that??
Not sure where you are coming from...but if you are pleased then you should be. Imagine having to pay social welfare to those 200,000 who came accross to do jobs some of them were overqualified for.
whiteontop: Not sure where you are coming from...but if you are pleased then you should be. Imagine having to pay social welfare to those 200,000 who came accross to do jobs some of them were overqualified for.
Sorry,i shouldn't have giggled,ill put it down to a rather funny incident at a deli counter i had last week.....say no more
Yes indeed its a good thing,the less money we have to shell out at a time like this,the better.
wittyone: Oprah & Jeremy Kyle, don't they have a computer? Maybe the state or your good self, would buy them one
I think everyone missed that one witty....I got it
Sorry, been out for a while but the housing assosciations work like this:
A fair rent is agreed on. Housing benefit is means tested so that everybody pays what they can afford whether they are on welfare or not. It's done in such a way that the minimum wage is livable. We all but own the banks anyway so we'll be reposessing all these empty houses.Actually, you can argue that we've already paid for them.
It saves the councils building affordable housing and we don't have to rezone any more land so we don't need to keep one eye on the counceller's back pockets.
Obviously people who have bought their houses will feel put out but in time house prices will settle and I believe then and not now, we have to have a bit of debt forgiveness perhaps reducing their mortgage by 1/3!
We are already in a situation where previously mortgaged houses have been reposessed and the former owners are now the banks tennants.
I think the key here is to stabalise the country so we're not all living in fear of reposession and eviction. There's enough of these houses that nobody need be on the street. Some are going to lose more than others, a few are going to gain and no doubt some are going to try and cheat the system!
But we're all angry and upset the way things are now and we'll be angrier still no doubt like the bankers and their bonuses and golden hand shakes.
We need interst rates back around to 6 to 8 percent to stabalise house prices and loans at 3.5 times your gross annual income!
Like I said, the key is stability. For this we need to reform the state and the way we are governed. We can't have the Jackie Healey Rays of this world holding a knife to all our throats.
It leaves us with patchwork policies and nothing changes. People need to vote out of current political conviction and not out of what happened in 1916 or 1922!
Anyway...I'm not even Irish...you need to unite and work this out for yourselves. The politicians certainly can't!
Ray Darcy said it the other night! Can you think of one single person who has shown he or she is fit to run this country? I can't!
A fair rent is agreed on. Housing benefit is means tested so that everybody pays what they can afford whether they are on welfare or not. It's done in such a way that the minimum wage is livable. We all but own the banks anyway so we'll be reposessing all these empty houses.Actually, you can argue that we've already paid for them.
It saves the councils building affordable housing and we don't have to rezone any more land so we don't need to keep one eye on the counceller's back pockets.
Obviously people who have bought their houses will feel put out but in time house prices will settle and I believe then and not now, we have to have a bit of debt forgiveness perhaps reducing their mortgage by 1/3!
We are already in a situation where previously mortgaged houses have been reposessed and the former owners are now the banks tennants.
I think the key here is to stabalise the country so we're not all living in fear of reposession and eviction. There's enough of these houses that nobody need be on the street. Some are going to lose more than others, a few are going to gain and no doubt some are going to try and cheat the system!
But we're all angry and upset the way things are now and we'll be angrier still no doubt like the bankers and their bonuses and golden hand shakes.
We need interst rates back around to 6 to 8 percent to stabalise house prices and loans at 3.5 times your gross annual income!
Like I said, the key is stability. For this we need to reform the state and the way we are governed. We can't have the Jackie Healey Rays of this world holding a knife to all our throats.
It leaves us with patchwork policies and nothing changes. People need to vote out of current political conviction and not out of what happened in 1916 or 1922!
Anyway...I'm not even Irish...you need to unite and work this out for yourselves. The politicians certainly can't!
Ray Darcy said it the other night! Can you think of one single person who has shown he or she is fit to run this country? I can't!
Godsgift: Sorry, been out for a while but the housing assosciations work like this:
A fair rent is agreed on. Housing benefit is means tested so that everybody pays what they can afford whether they are on welfare or not. It's done in such a way that the minimum wage is livable. We all but own the banks anyway so we'll be reposessing all these empty houses.Actually, you can argue that we've already paid for them.
It saves the councils building affordable housing and we don't have to rezone any more land so we don't need to keep one eye on the counceller's back pockets.
Obviously people who have bought their houses will feel put out but in time house prices will settle and I believe then and not now, we have to have a bit of debt forgiveness perhaps reducing their mortgage by 1/3!
We are already in a situation where previously mortgaged houses have been reposessed and the former owners are now the banks tennants.
I think the key here is to stabalise the country so we're not all living in fear of reposession and eviction. There's enough of these houses that nobody need be on the street. Some are going to lose more than others, a few are going to gain and no doubt some are going to try and cheat the system!
But we're all angry and upset the way things are now and we'll be angrier still no doubt like the bankers and their bonuses and golden hand shakes.
We need interst rates back around to 6 to 8 percent to stabalise house prices and loans at 3.5 times your gross annual income!
Like I said, the key is stability. For this we need to reform the state and the way we are governed. We can't have the Jackie Healey Rays of this world holding a knife to all our throats.
It leaves us with patchwork policies and nothing changes. People need to vote out of current political conviction and not out of what happened in 1916 or 1922!
Anyway...I'm not even Irish...you need to unite and work this out for yourselves. The politicians certainly can't!
Ray Darcy said it the other night! Can you think of one single person who has shown he or she is fit to run this country? I can't!
A fair rent is agreed on. Housing benefit is means tested so that everybody pays what they can afford whether they are on welfare or not. It's done in such a way that the minimum wage is livable. We all but own the banks anyway so we'll be reposessing all these empty houses.Actually, you can argue that we've already paid for them.
It saves the councils building affordable housing and we don't have to rezone any more land so we don't need to keep one eye on the counceller's back pockets.
Obviously people who have bought their houses will feel put out but in time house prices will settle and I believe then and not now, we have to have a bit of debt forgiveness perhaps reducing their mortgage by 1/3!
We are already in a situation where previously mortgaged houses have been reposessed and the former owners are now the banks tennants.
I think the key here is to stabalise the country so we're not all living in fear of reposession and eviction. There's enough of these houses that nobody need be on the street. Some are going to lose more than others, a few are going to gain and no doubt some are going to try and cheat the system!
But we're all angry and upset the way things are now and we'll be angrier still no doubt like the bankers and their bonuses and golden hand shakes.
We need interst rates back around to 6 to 8 percent to stabalise house prices and loans at 3.5 times your gross annual income!
Like I said, the key is stability. For this we need to reform the state and the way we are governed. We can't have the Jackie Healey Rays of this world holding a knife to all our throats.
It leaves us with patchwork policies and nothing changes. People need to vote out of current political conviction and not out of what happened in 1916 or 1922!
Anyway...I'm not even Irish...you need to unite and work this out for yourselves. The politicians certainly can't!
Ray Darcy said it the other night! Can you think of one single person who has shown he or she is fit to run this country? I can't!
There was a time that people who acted against the state and caused such terrible problems would have been tried for treason
whiteontop: That could be a runner. People through no fault of their own who have been made homeless should be provided with homes that are afterall owned by the Government who after all are the representatives of the entire people.
Of course the government wont do that as they are a shower of self serving halfwits.... There was also a time when it was an honour to serve your country in government ... now its all about what they can get for themselves, friends and family...
In response to: The gardens are nicely landscaped, sited beside a rushing stream. Apart from the adjacent muddy site and the grey concrete shell of the second phase where development has halted, it looks like a good place to live. Yet, so far, only one unit out of 30 has sold, and the owner hasn't moved in yet.
the homeless and the poor need these places.
LadyinDublin: the homeless and the poor need these places.
Pure and simple.
When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are the poor hungry, they called me a communist.
--Dom Helder Camara (archbishop of São Paulo)
Ireland needs to look at itself and ask why the greed in a country that that is too small to defend itself.
whiteontop: Pure and simple.
When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are the poor hungry, they called me a communist.
--Dom Helder Camara (archbishop of São Paulo)
Ireland needs to look at itself and ask why the greed in a country that that is too small to defend itself.
When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are the poor hungry, they called me a communist.
--Dom Helder Camara (archbishop of São Paulo)
Ireland needs to look at itself and ask why the greed in a country that that is too small to defend itself.
there IS lots of greed in Ireland, but it depends on your point of view.
people more well off see the poor asking for help, and see it as greed.
people less well off see the big wages of the more well off and see it as greed.
if we were all the same, noone would see greed, but that would never happen.
blarneykite: Of course the government wont do that as they are a shower of self serving halfwits.... There was also a time when it was an honour to serve your country in government ... now its all about what they can get for themselves, friends and family...
I occasionally wish the odd time we had a benevolent dictatorship in this country if only we were allowed by the EU.
LadyinDublin: there IS lots of greed in Ireland, but it depends on your point of view.
people more well off see the poor asking for help, and see it as greed.
people less well off see the big wages of the more well off and see it as greed.
if we were all the same, noone would see greed, but that would never happen.
people more well off see the poor asking for help, and see it as greed.
people less well off see the big wages of the more well off and see it as greed.
if we were all the same, noone would see greed, but that would never happen.
The problem with a lot of these ghost estates is that they are timber framed,,if a house made mostly from softwood in our damp cold climate is left without heating, ventilation and regular maintenance for a relatively short period of time, it will start to break down and decay.
stanley8m: The problem with a lot of these ghost estates is that they are timber framed,,if a house made mostly from softwood in our damp cold climate is left without heating, ventilation and regular maintenance for a relatively short period of time, it will start to break down and decay.
Most Timber frames use pressure treated timber
Its not timber fresh out of a saw mill
Its treated with preservative
CurvyGal20: Most Timber frames use pressure treated timber
Its not timber fresh out of a saw mill
Its treated with preservative
Its not timber fresh out of a saw mill
Its treated with preservative
That might be the case now, but in the middle of the boom they were using all kinds of timber. Believe me I seen it with my own eyes, the workmanship also left a lot to be desired.
whiteontop: Pure and simple.
When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are the poor hungry, they called me a communist.
--Dom Helder Camara (archbishop of São Paulo)
Ireland needs to look at itself and ask why the greed in a country that that is too small to defend itself.
When I fed the poor, they called me a saint. When I asked why are the poor hungry, they called me a communist.
--Dom Helder Camara (archbishop of São Paulo)
Ireland needs to look at itself and ask why the greed in a country that that is too small to defend itself.
the first shall be last and the last shall be first
pedro27: the first shall be last and the last shall be first
CurvyGal20: Most Timber frames use pressure treated timber
Its not timber fresh out of a saw mill
Its treated with preservative
Its not timber fresh out of a saw mill
Its treated with preservative
In an ideal world you would be right but unfortunately this costs more than untreated timber and as I have built timber framed and traditional concrete houses I can assure you that all the wood used was not pressure treated and in most cases had no preservative and was in fact fresh out of a saw mill and the timber sheeting used on floors and walls is the cheapest sheet material you can buy,, I am not just saying this about timber framed houses as concrete or brick houses also have the same timber used on their roof and internal walls,,, it is a sad thing to say that the boom inflated the prices that people paid while greedy developers increases their profits even more by lowering the standards of house building.
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You should thank your luck stars that 200,000 Polish people have returned to Poland.