Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal) (61)

Dec 3, 2010 7:39 PM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Soul1802
Soul1802Soul1802Navan, Meath Ireland5 Threads 262 Posts
Hey all,

I have just read and signed the online petition:

"Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal" at:



I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take a look, consider signing it yourself and pass it on to friends.
Dec 3, 2010 8:10 PM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
LadyinDublin
LadyinDublinLadyinDublinDublin, Ireland31 Threads 768 Posts
signed thumbs up thumbs up
Dec 3, 2010 8:22 PM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
jdunne1980
jdunne1980jdunne1980Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 151 Posts
Soul1802: Hey all,

I have just read and signed the online petition:

"Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal" at:



I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take a look, consider signing it yourself and pass it on to friends.


While I appreciate everyone has a right to their opinion I have yet to see anyone who agrees with this stance (or something similar) to give alternatives. Maybe some who read this might put sone ideas up
Dec 3, 2010 8:22 PM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Soul1802
Soul1802Soul1802Navan, Meath Ireland5 Threads 262 Posts
LadyinDublin: signed


Great, let others know about it too.. if you can :-)
Dec 4, 2010 3:49 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Tanaiste
TanaisteTanaisteNaas, Kildare Ireland28 Threads 174 Posts
Seems to be well enough written ..

Who did actually write it??

I like to know this sort of detail before I sign anything.
Dec 4, 2010 3:58 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
Had a look at the petition and its absolute rubbish, the bail out is the best deal we can get at the moment,, if things improve in the future and we can borrow money elsewhere at a better rate then we are free to so.
Dec 4, 2010 5:12 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
70Libra
70Libra70LibraCounty, Waterford Ireland43 Threads 6,782 Posts
stanley8m: Had a look at the petition and its absolute rubbish, the bail out is the best deal we can get at the moment,, if things improve in the future and we can borrow money elsewhere at a better rate then we are free to so.


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Dec 4, 2010 9:52 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Ross30
Ross30Ross30Dublin, Ireland2 Threads 635 Posts
This petition is rubbish, without EU/IMF assistance public sector wages wouldn't be paid ditto with social welfare.

Batt O'Keefe as also on record as saying that if the bailout hadn't been accepted public sector pay would have been cut by 38% and the same with social welfare.
Dec 4, 2010 10:02 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
nighttimexxx
nighttimexxxnighttimexxxnear mullingar, Westmeath Ireland3 Threads 27 Posts
Ross30: This petition is rubbish, without EU/IMF assistance public sector wages wouldn't be paid ditto with social welfare.

Batt O'Keefe as also on record as saying that if the bailout hadn't been accepted public sector pay would have been cut by 38% and the same with social welfare.

THAT SOUNDS LIKE FIGHTING TALT BATTvery mad
Dec 4, 2010 10:04 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
All these bright sparks are all against the bailout... I have yet to hear an alternative from these "bright sparks" doh
Dec 4, 2010 10:06 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Ross30
Ross30Ross30Dublin, Ireland2 Threads 635 Posts
robpacciani: All these bright sparks are all against the bailout... I have yet to hear an alternative from these "bright sparks"


Very well said.thumbs up
Dec 4, 2010 10:08 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
Ross30: Very well said.


Its true though and it irritates me!!
To the thread-opener, you are against the bailout why? I want a detailed reason and if your against it you obviously must have an alternative.. I will give you until 2018 for a response thanks.. handshake
Dec 4, 2010 10:14 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
robpacciani: All these bright sparks are all against the bailout... I have yet to hear an alternative from these "bright sparks"


I heard Gilmore saying that instead of taking all the 85 billion he wants to use all the money in the pension fund and sell off what we can of the countries assets, I am not sure what assets he was talking about but it sounds like a recipe for an even worse disaster. Kind of like if a householder can't pay their heating bills burning all their furniture and then still having to sell the doors and windows to pay the gas bills
Dec 4, 2010 10:18 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
stanley8m: I heard Gilmore saying that instead of taking all the 85 billion he wants to use all the money in the pension fund and sell off what we can of the countries assets, I am not sure what assets he was talking about but it sounds like a recipe for an even worse disaster. Kind of like if a householder can't pay their heating bills burning all their furniture and then still having to sell the doors and windows to pay the gas bills


Exactly.. As much as i hate Fianna Fail and to be honest hate all politicians in this country at this stage, the only option was the bailout.. If the opposing members in parliament cant even think of a solid valid reason, why are normal joe-soaps that dont have a clue nor an alternative signing fekkin petitions... Signing for what? Id love to know... "Oh i want Michael Collins to be proud of me"... Were not in 1916 anymore, time to get real and live for the future, not the past
Dec 4, 2010 10:24 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Ross30
Ross30Ross30Dublin, Ireland2 Threads 635 Posts
stanley8m: I heard Gilmore saying that instead of taking all the 85 billion he wants to use all the money in the pension fund and sell off what we can of the countries assets, I am not sure what assets he was talking about but it sounds like a recipe for an even worse disaster. Kind of like if a householder can't pay their heating bills burning all their furniture and then still having to sell the doors and windows to pay the gas bills


Isn't 12.5 billion out of the pension going out to bail out our wonderful banks?

I don't think Labour would favour privatization, there union friends would be disgusted. At least Fine Gael have come out in favour of privatisation.

I reckon that in the medium term Ireland will have to default.
Dec 4, 2010 10:25 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
stanley8m
stanley8mstanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 Posts
robpacciani: Exactly.. As much as i hate Fianna Fail and to be honest hate all politicians in this country at this stage, the only option was the bailout.. If the opposing members in parliament cant even think of a solid valid reason, why are normal joe-soaps that dont have a clue nor an alternative signing fekkin petitions... Signing for what? Id love to know... "Oh i want Michael Collins to be proud of me"... Were not in 1916 anymore, time to get real and live for the future, not the past

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Its going to be hard but we will get through it ,, if it means working longer hours for less pay so be it,,I emigrated for work during the eighties and nineties and yeah i worked hard but I had some great times too, I hear all the whinging going on about having to leave the country,, hello ,,its not famine shops they will be going on, some of these celtic tiger folk are just soft and will have to learn to stop complaining and get on with it
Dec 4, 2010 10:30 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
billyj1
billyj1billyj1Sydney, New South Wales Australia12 Threads 2 Polls 801 Posts
As I agree with this petition I also think that Irish people should sign another petition saying that they themselves won't act like sheep in the future by...

a)thinking before they vote
b)not competing with their neighbours on materialistic things for the sake of show and getting into whole lot of debt that they can't get out of a as a result
c) not dumping their rubbish in the countryside
d) driving in a considerate way on the roads
e) being kind to the elderly
Dec 4, 2010 10:37 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
jimbo79
jimbo79jimbo79carlow, Carlow Ireland85 Threads 8 Polls 4,259 Posts
Ross30: Isn't 12.5 billion out of the pension going out to bail out our wonderful banks?

I don't think Labour would favour privatization, there union friends would be disgusted. At least Fine Gael have come out in favour of privatisation.

I reckon that in the medium term Ireland will have to default.


why wait until then to default, we are just delaying the inevitable and prolonging the impending pain, in the negotiations we brought up sharing the burden with the bondholders, they said no we said ok
that is not how you negotiate we should have left the talks went to the media panic the markets even further to try force a better deal, we had one card to play and we refused to use it
Dec 4, 2010 10:38 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
Ross30
Ross30Ross30Dublin, Ireland2 Threads 635 Posts
stanley8m: Its going to be hard but we will get through it ,, if it means working longer hours for less pay so be it,,I emigrated for work during the eighties and nineties and yeah i worked hard but I had some great times too, I hear all the whinging going on about having to leave the country,, hello ,,its not famine shops they will be going on, some of these celtic tiger folk are just soft and will have to learn to stop complaining and get on with it


One of our worst characteristics as a people is to over exaggerate, I want a society based on self sufficiency not on dependency and the Celtic tiger has turned an awful lot of Irish people into a bunch of imps who put rights before responsibilities.

People survived in the 30's and 50's, people will survive in the 2010's once they get a bit of backbone.
Dec 4, 2010 11:28 AM CST Petition (Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal)
CurvyGal20
CurvyGal20CurvyGal20Dublin, Ireland21 Threads 2 Polls 562 Posts
Soul1802: Hey all,

I have just read and signed the online petition:

"Irish Declaration of Right of Refusal" at:



I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too.  If you can spare a moment, please take a look, consider signing it yourself and pass it on to friends.


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