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Dec 22, 2010 3:11 PM CST The U.S. Empire, the Mideast, and the world, part 4
rozaroz
rozarozrozarozBeirut, Beyrouth Lebanon9 Threads 40 Posts
From a talk by Noam Chomsky, June 2010

After World War II

For a long time during the Cold War years, policies were invariably justified by the threat of the Russians. It was mostly an invented threat. The Russians ran their own smaller empire with a similar pretext, threat of the Americans. These clouds were lifted after the collapse of the Soviet Union. For those who want to understand American foreign policy, an obvious place to look is what happened after the Soviet Union disappeared. That's the natural place to look and it follows almost automatically that nobody looks at it. It's scarcely discussed in the scholarly literature though it's obviously where you'd look to find out what the Cold War was about. In fact, if you actually do look, you get very clear answers. The president at the time was George Bush I. Immediately after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, there was a new National Security Strategy, a defense budget, and so on. They make very interesting reading. The basic message is: nothing is going to change except pretexts. So we still need, they said, a huge military force, not to defend ourselves against the Russian hordes because they're gone, but because of what they called the "technological sophistication" of third world powers. Now, if you're a well trained, educated person who came from Harvard and so on, you're not supposed to laugh when you hear that. And nobody laughed. In fact, I don't think anybody ever reported it. So, they said, we have to protect ourselves from the technological sophistication of third world powers and we have to maintain what they called the "defense industrial base"—a euphemism for high tech industry, which mostly came out of the state sector (computers, the Internet, and so on), under the pretext of defense.

With regard to the Middle East, they said, we must maintain our intervention forces, most of them aimed at the Middle East. Then comes an interesting phrase. We have to maintain the intervention forces aimed at the Middle East where the major threats to our interests "could not be laid at the Kremlin's door." In other words, sorry folks, we've been lying to you for 50 years, but now that pretext is gone, we'll tell you the truth. The problem in the Middle East is and has been what's called radical nationalism. Radical just means independent. It's a term that means "doesn't follow orders." The radical nationalism can be of any kind. Iran's a good case.
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Dec 22, 2010 3:23 PM CST The U.S. Empire, the Mideast, and the world, part 4
Medsummer
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Sorry, it is lunch time. All lines are canceled. The application window for personal vendettas against the United States has been over-run with applications and the poor person there has had a mild heart attack so we cannot process any more applications today.
You can continue to wait in line if you must. We realize it is hot outside there in the sun so there is a vendor selling bottled water for 5.00usd a bottle. We realize that is expensive, but the person selling the water is a foreign exchange student learning about Capitalism.
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Dec 23, 2010 1:23 AM CST The U.S. Empire, the Mideast, and the world, part 4
Albertaghost
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rozaroz: From a talk by Noam Chomsky, June 2010

The problem in the Middle East is and has been what's called radical nationalism. Radical just means independent. It's a term that means "doesn't follow orders." The radical nationalism can be of any kind. Iran's a good case.


Radical Nationalism or, Qutbism is hardly something that is begnign. Al Qaeda parctices this form of nationlaism with their intent to first topple an oil rich nation to gain political strength and legitimate funding as they move onto the next regime to take out with the overall goal of a Pan Arab empire they refer to as the Caliphate. From here, with little regard to what the people wish they would control OPEC and, be able to pull the strings on supply and demand for an oil hungry Europe and Asia. They would be able to write their own cheques and payment commodities such as weapons, technology as well as control whatever market they wished as individual accountability with all this wealth would not be n any part of the formula thus, markets the world over could be controlled on a whim or, more than likely, a sound plan to further the long term goal of making a Global Caliphate.
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Dec 23, 2010 1:27 AM CST The U.S. Empire, the Mideast, and the world, part 4
CuspofMagic
CuspofMagicCuspofMagiclight, South Australia Australia278 Threads 7,904 Posts
rozaroz: From a talk by Noam Chomsky, June 2010

After World War II

For a long time during the Cold War years, policies were invariably justified by the threat of the Russians. It was mostly an invented threat. The Russians ran their own smaller empire with a similar pretext, threat of the Americans. These clouds were lifted after the collapse of the Soviet Union. For those who want to understand American foreign policy, an obvious place to look is what happened after the Soviet Union disappeared. That's the natural place to look and it follows almost automatically that nobody looks at it. It's scarcely discussed in the scholarly literature though it's obviously where you'd look to find out what the Cold War was about. In fact, if you actually do look, you get very clear answers. The president at the time was George Bush I. Immediately after the collapse of the Berlin Wall, there was a new National Security Strategy, a defense budget, and so on. They make very interesting reading. The basic message is: nothing is going to change except pretexts. So we still need, they said, a huge military force, not to defend ourselves against the Russian hordes because they're gone, but because of what they called the "technological sophistication" of third world powers. Now, if you're a well trained, educated person who came from Harvard and so on, you're not supposed to laugh when you hear that. And nobody laughed. In fact, I don't think anybody ever reported it. So, they said, we have to protect ourselves from the technological sophistication of third world powers and we have to maintain what they called the "defense industrial base"—a euphemism for high tech industry, which mostly came out of the state sector (computers, the Internet, and so on), under the pretext of defense.

With regard to the Middle East, they said, we must maintain our intervention forces, most of them aimed at the Middle East. Then comes an interesting phrase. We have to maintain the intervention forces aimed at the Middle East where the major threats to our interests "could not be laid at the Kremlin's door." In other words, sorry folks, we've been lying to you for 50 years, but now that pretext is gone, we'll tell you the truth. The problem in the Middle East is and has been what's called radical nationalism. Radical just means independent. It's a term that means "doesn't follow orders." The radical nationalism can be of any kind. Iran's a good case.


And your point is... ?
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Dec 23, 2010 2:16 AM CST The U.S. Empire, the Mideast, and the world, part 4
rozaroz
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Happy New Year to everyone santa waving ..And thanks For The Commentsteddybear
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