Hate speech - an internet phenomenon. ( Archived) (39)

Feb 17, 2011 10:41 AM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
In real life it's considered very poor form for someone to spend an inordinate amount of time speaking ill of others, particularly in regard to bigoted hate speech about groups of people. One of Eleanor Roosevelt's most oft-cited quotes is: "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People."

And in real life, you will get shunned by most if you have a vile tongue constantly engaged in gossip, rumors and maligning others.

On the internet, however, there seems to be a lot more tolerance for hate speech and maligning of groups of people and the pursuit of all manner of bigoted agendas. But is that really so?

Is hate speech more common on the internet than real life?

If so, why?



I am inclined to believe it is but am not sure. And if I were to propose a "why", I would explain it with the cloak of anonymity and lack of peer pressure levied against those that lack decency.

Of course, I expect there to be a number of different opinions and I'm posting this because if you want to share yours, I want to hear it. This was a compilation of perception and assumption followed by a conditional theory, not a statement of fact, so I'll probably do more reading than posting. I'll assume any subsequent personal potshots are just someone's tongue-in-cheek way of agreeing with me that maligning of others is popular sport in the less-than-civilized domain of our beloved interwebz. :)
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Feb 17, 2011 10:54 AM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
invinciblemuse
invinciblemuseinvinciblemuseDresden, Saxony Germany38 Threads 2 Polls 6,026 Posts
gardenhackle: In real life it's considered very poor form for someone to spend an inordinate amount of time speaking ill of others, particularly in regard to bigoted hate speech about groups of people. One of Eleanor Roosevelt's most oft-cited quotes is: "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People."

It may be considered poor form, but it still happens all the time. You might just not be so aware of it because you don´t have as much access to other people´s views as you have online.

gardenhackle: And in real life, you will get shunned by most if you have a vile tongue constantly engaged in gossip, rumors and maligning others.

I´m not sure I agree with that - the biggest gossips in the workplace for instance are often very popular.

gardenhackle: On the internet, however, there seems to be a lot more tolerance for hate speech and maligning of groups of people and the pursuit of all manner of bigoted agendas. But is that really so?
Is hate speech more common on the internet than real life?
If so, why?

Again, I think that´s more your subjective perception rather than a fact.
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Feb 17, 2011 11:02 AM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
invinciblemuse: It may be considered poor form, but it still happens all the time. You might just not be so aware of it because you don´t have as much access to other people´s views as you have online.

I´m not sure I agree with that - the biggest gossips in the workplace for instance are often very popular.

Again, I think that´s more your subjective perception rather than a fact.


A very possible explanation.

This is definitely not my perception, but maybe the type of workplace has something to do with the types of behaviors that make people popular. Here, that sort of thing doesn't get tolerated well.

As to the last, I summarized by saying exactly what you did. I was posting an observation and opinion, and was in no way making a statement of fact. So I agreed with you in advance.
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Feb 17, 2011 11:46 AM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
Seems some are drawn to it more naturally than others. roll eyes

Some take any different or opposing opinion as an insult instead of an avenue for discussion... a cause for drawing a line to the death.

But ALL in the end are safe inside their homes or offices where no one can land a punch for saying things that in real life... unless around their personal preference group, would be approached VERY delicately. dunno
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Feb 17, 2011 11:58 AM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
It does amaze me how some on the internet do verbally attack others,and in real life,they would cower.I for one,would have no hesitation looking someone in the eyes and saying the same to thier face,as anything i write here.
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Feb 17, 2011 12:03 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
time4fun4u: It does amaze me how some on the internet do verbally attack others,and in real life,they would cower.I for one,would have no hesitation looking someone in the eyes and saying the same to thier face,as anything i write here.


But then you're not American time4. laugh We're well armed ya know... or some of us anyway. hmmm
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Feb 17, 2011 12:04 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
gininitaly: But then you're not American time4. We're well armed ya know... or some of us anyway.
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Feb 17, 2011 12:21 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
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Feb 17, 2011 12:26 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
I think it has to do with the facilitation of groups of like minded people. In society in general, in any given community there ar a mixture of people, only a few of which have similar opinions usually. (Unless there is mass oppression and resulting revolt.)

On the internet, with 90 million people using it at any one time, it is possible to get much larger communities of people who gel in larger groups, because of similar thinking, interests, etc.

Any larger group has a mob mentality that doesn't happen in much smaller gatherings.

It is therfore easier and more acceptable to shout louder, in pretty much any way you want, if you have a larger group backing you. We learned that in psychology first year in Uni. wine
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Feb 17, 2011 12:28 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
time4fun4u: It does amaze me how some on the internet do verbally attack others,and in real life,they would cower.I for one,would have no hesitation looking someone in the eyes and saying the same to thier face,as anything i write here.


I tend to be the same, in this regard, in real life too.hug
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Feb 17, 2011 12:33 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
GingerBe: I tend to be the same, in this regard, in real life too.
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Feb 17, 2011 12:35 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
demonfairy
demonfairydemonfairyNewton, North Carolina USA76 Threads 2 Polls 2,278 Posts
gininitaly: But then you're not American time4. We're well armed ya know... or some of us anyway.
I don't cower from any one,i will stand my ground.I don't believe in fighting,it solves nothing.Yes i have seen grown people on here acting like two years old,but to say it is Americans is uncalled for and untrue.It happens with people from all countries,not just Americans!wine
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Feb 17, 2011 12:36 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
demonfairy: I don't cower from any one,i will stand my ground.I don't believe in fighting,it solves nothing.Yes i have seen grown people on here acting like two years old,but to say it is Americans is uncalled for and untrue.It happens with people from all countries,not just Americans!
Would you say that to my face! (or would you prefer to say it in bed grin )
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Feb 17, 2011 12:38 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
demonfairy: I don't cower from any one,i will stand my ground.I don't believe in fighting,it solves nothing.Yes i have seen grown people on here acting like two years old,but to say it is Americans is uncalled for and untrue.It happens with people from all countries,not just Americans!


From what I pick up on here, the "secret" to knowing it all is to have a passport. laugh
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Feb 17, 2011 12:40 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
demonfairy
demonfairydemonfairyNewton, North Carolina USA76 Threads 2 Polls 2,278 Posts
time4fun4u: Would you say that to my face! (or would you prefer to say it in bed )
yes i would.be very careful what you ask for i have a passportrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing wave
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Feb 17, 2011 12:42 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
demonfairy: yes i would.be very careful what you ask for i have a passport
grin rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing wave lips
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Feb 17, 2011 12:43 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
demonfairy: I don't cower from any one,i will stand my ground.I don't believe in fighting,it solves nothing.Yes i have seen grown people on here acting like two years old,but to say it is Americans is uncalled for and untrue.It happens with people from all countries,not just Americans!


Actually I find the Europeans a tad more reasonable and thoughtful in their responses on current events... on this site anyway. Except for that guy from the Netherlands of course... rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 17, 2011 12:44 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
GingerBe: I tend to be the same, in this regard, in real life too.


Yep it goes on and on. Sadly some folk keep pushing an agenda and post thread after thread on the same subject and it may as the think highlight their agenda.

I however, feel it actually does the opposite and many folk just avoid these threads, I do post usually opposing anyone who's thread spreads hate against any faction.

I feel we are all the same and just want to get on with life as best we can.

I have strong dislike for any folk who cannot accept we are all the same regardless of Colour, Creed or Race.

I do always have a problem with fundamentalists of ALL factions as they never ever take note of any reasonable objection or conflicting points to their views.

And I will always raise my voice in protest of such.

But as I say that is as always JMO grin cheers
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Feb 17, 2011 12:44 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
.: Is hate speech more common on the internet than real life?


I am going to say yes.


The internet is vast and if you know where to look, you can find anything you wish. Like minded people who normally wouldn't ever get the chance to meet or even be aware of each others existence, can meet and share their views.

In real life, you are only seeing what's around you, or what you subject yourself to.
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Feb 17, 2011 12:59 PM CST Hate speech - an internet phenomenon.
Frankinstien
FrankinstienFrankinstienSan Juan, Puerto Rico1 Threads 1,521 Posts
demonfairy: yes i would.be very careful what you ask for i have a passport
Hi D. you can come down here ( you don't need a passport ). . . . . . . wave
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