Eleven and a half million to Haiti? (27)
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
I read a report that claimed the Haitian people wanted to do the rebuilding themselves, but the big contractors from USA and Europe are in there stealing the work from them......it would make more sense if they employed locals.
as for the other bit of your thread....yes I do think we should give them financial aid
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
It's a very high price to pay to be seen as charitable given that this country is with its back to the wall , fine if we could actually afford it . That 11million is badly needed here in so many areas . I think it's highly irresponsible .Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Urbuddy: It's a very high price to pay to be seen as charitable given that this country is with its back to the wall , fine if we could actually afford it . That 11million is badly needed here in so many areas . I think it's highly irresponsible .
Pardon me , 11.5 million 
In response to: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Nothing goes for nothing, Ireland also have contractors there as well and they will make more than 11million of the contract given to them.
11million is just peanuts to a country that would gain over a 100million.
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Watched an article on news the other evening about a family in Haiti that had one of these houses built,although they were very grateful the owner a young guy could not find any work,surely it makes sence to let these people help themselves by putting them to work on these projects.
As for the hand out to help them ,yes I think we should donate to these causes.
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
My personal opinion is , let them build their own houses, the cost of labour in Haiti is very cheap and loads of workers unemployed. Train them how to do the work and leave them at it.
I don't think we can afford to give away this money,, too many Irish causes, health, education etc, where that money could and should be spent.
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
THIS IS IRELAND GONE MAD AGAIN...IS THERE A WAY TO STOP THIS MADDNESS ? NO .AS SOON AS MY GIRL IS 18 WE BOTH OFF THIS MAD ISLAND.Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
LOL here we GO again .....................
stanley8m: My personal opinion is , let them build their own houses, the cost of labour in Haiti is very cheap and loads of workers unemployed. Train them how to do the work and leave them at it.
I don't think we can afford to give away this money,, too many Irish causes, health, education etc, where that money could and should be spent.
I don't think we can afford to give away this money,, too many Irish causes, health, education etc, where that money could and should be spent.
HC is right about u and if ur sensible u should ask ur govt what the hell they r doing there, if u think it's just for charity then i have to say u must be the dumbest person on earth.
Ireland has billions worth of construction contract in Haiti so donating 11.5mil is nothing to them besides the money ain't coming from the people of Ireland it's from contracts they have in Haiti...
Get ur facts right next time. If the govt wants to really donate money to charity then they should choose a charity at home.
stanley8m: Just seen on the news that we are still going to give eleven and a half million to Haiti. The news showed footage of white volunteers from countries such as Ireland, building houses for the 650,000 Haitians made homeless in the disaster.
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?
11.5 million is only a drop in the ocean here, it's unlikely it would have any significant impact on our horrible economic situation. It would be like pouring sugar into a sieve.
On the other hand, over there in Haiti, 11.5 million could go a long way. I agree with you in part, the jobs should go to Haitian people, possibly with training and oversight from experienced, and why not Irish, construction personnel.
dantes85: 11.5 million is only a drop in the ocean here, it's unlikely it would have any significant impact on our horrible economic situation. It would be like pouring sugar into a sieve.
On the other hand, over there in Haiti, 11.5 million could go a long way. I agree with you in part, the jobs should go to Haitian people, possibly with training and oversight from experienced, and why not Irish, construction personnel.
On the other hand, over there in Haiti, 11.5 million could go a long way. I agree with you in part, the jobs should go to Haitian people, possibly with training and oversight from experienced, and why not Irish, construction personnel.
I would suggest, that every cent is precious to the Irish economy at present. I agree that we should send our highly skilled construction personnel over there to to train the Haitian workers, but we should leave the financing of the project, to countries who have the resources to finance it.
Unfortunately, we are not capable of doing that, at this time.
dantes85: 11.5 million is only a drop in the ocean here, it's unlikely it would have any significant impact on our horrible economic situation. It would be like pouring sugar into a sieve.
On the other hand, over there in Haiti, 11.5 million could go a long way. I agree with you in part, the jobs should go to Haitian people, possibly with training and oversight from experienced, and why not Irish, construction personnel.
On the other hand, over there in Haiti, 11.5 million could go a long way. I agree with you in part, the jobs should go to Haitian people, possibly with training and oversight from experienced, and why not Irish, construction personnel.
It makes sense to give it to the Haitians but they wouldn't give them the job cos it's already contracted out to different western construction personnel and they ain't doing it for charity.
EnglishBlack: It makes sense to give it to the Haitians but they wouldn't give them the job cos it's already contracted out to different western construction personnel and they ain't doing it for charity.
Your theory doesn't add up, ok the management of these construction companies might be from USA and Europe but can you explain why they would use highly paid American and European workers when they would get the Haitian equivalent for a fraction of the cost?
I have worked in the construction game all my life, and I know how it works, why bring in workers that cost more???? Your theory just doesnt make sense.
If you van back up your argument with facts I would love to hear it,, Stan.
EnglishBlack: It makes sense to give it to the Haitians but they wouldn't give them the job cos it's already contracted out to different western construction personnel and they ain't doing it for charity.
That's happened a few times in the Middle East too. The West promise jobs to the natives building pipelines etc., then contract the work externally. Sad, but it seems it's just the way they operate.
And to Stan, I understand your point, it's very valid. But you wouldn't go putting water into a leaky bucket? We need major reform here, that's going to benefit us much more than money. We're getting hundreds of millions here already, there was supposedly billions in the country left over from the boom, where's the good it's doing? If we put 11.5 million into schools (for example) tomorrow, by the time it filtered down what would they have? A few extra calculators?
stanley8m: Your theory doesn't add up, ok the management of these construction companies might be from USA and Europe but can you explain why they would use highly paid American and European workers when they would get the Haitian equivalent for a fraction of the cost?
I have worked in the construction game all my life, and I know how it works, why bring in workers that cost more???? Your theory just doesnt make sense.
If you van back up your argument with facts I would love to hear it,, Stan.
I have worked in the construction game all my life, and I know how it works, why bring in workers that cost more???? Your theory just doesnt make sense.
If you van back up your argument with facts I would love to hear it,, Stan.
I totally agree with u on that part cos it makes a lot of sense but it happens all the time. The latest b4 Haiti was Western Sahara and it's still happening over there.
dantes85: That's happened a few times in the Middle East too. The West promise jobs to the natives building pipelines etc., then contract the work externally. Sad, but it seems it's just the way they operate.
And to Stan, I understand your point, it's very valid. But you wouldn't go putting water into a leaky bucket? We need major reform here, that's going to benefit us much more than money. We're getting hundreds of millions here already, there was supposedly billions in the country left over from the boom, where's the good it's doing? If we put 11.5 million into schools (for example) tomorrow, by the time it filtered down what would they have? A few extra calculators?
And to Stan, I understand your point, it's very valid. But you wouldn't go putting water into a leaky bucket? We need major reform here, that's going to benefit us much more than money. We're getting hundreds of millions here already, there was supposedly billions in the country left over from the boom, where's the good it's doing? If we put 11.5 million into schools (for example) tomorrow, by the time it filtered down what would they have? A few extra calculators?
11.5 million might mean a couple of hundred kids in disadvantaged areas making it to third level, I see your point and well argued but I feel we should agree to disagree on this point.
EnglishBlack: I totally agree with u on that part cos it makes a lot of sense but it happens all the time. The latest b4 Haiti was Western Sahara and it's still happening over there.
I don't know enough about western sahara construction projects to comment.Mu understanding of workers in the oil rich Arab countries is that they employ cheap workers from other countries . maybe it is the same with construction work, I think Haiti as the poorest country in the western world might be a different case.
stanley8m: 11.5 million might mean a couple of hundred kids in disadvantaged areas making it to third level, I see your point and well argued but I feel we should agree to disagree on this point.
I can agree to that, but it's a pity - it could have been a good debate.
There's a document I was looking over relating to construction contracting in foreign countries, it's lengthy, but it explains in part that large contractors prefer to use their own subcontractors on large projects. They may or may not hire natives based on equal opportunities employment.
These people had nothing before the disaster struck. We're not exactly starving to death here and what's 11 million....4 banker's bonuses. Half a ghost estate? 20 ministers salaries including pensions. I don't grudge these people a single cent.
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Why Can't these people build their own houses?
Should we as a nation give money to help these people when it would be better spent at home?