U.S., Vietnam Start Military Relationship (9)
The "Law of the Sea" provides all the answers,. If the countries mentioned are signatories,they sit around the table to do the demarcation.China emerging as super power in the region and i don't find it wise from the US point of view meddling in the regions disputes,besides what are they going to gain???? The worst scenario is a military confrontation,which the US don't need it,so far away from home. Forming alliances in the region,to stop the Chinise,and possibly fighting a war with the countries,they suppost in the region, it could possibly resulted, in another prolong war,similar to one in Iraq and Afghanistan,leaving behind destructed countries and in political turmoil. The question is what is at stake.Is the "Law of the Sea" as such,or what is UNDER the sea???. They say there is oil in the South China Sea.
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chris27292729: The "Law of the Sea" provides all the answers,. If the countries mentioned are signatories,they sit around the table to do the demarcation.China emerging as super power in the region and i don't find it wise from the US point of view meddling in the regions disputes,besides what are they going to gain????
Unobstructed passage of theirs and allies ships. That's what it's all about.
chris27292729: The worst scenario is a military confrontation,which the US don't need it,so far away from home.
And the Chinese don't wish it however, if they have enough metal in place they can obstruct and since nobody is going to war over it the more mass one has the more they can obstruct. As well, your point of being 'so far away from home' is a valid one and is the reason why the US is making friends there so they don't have to be away from home as they have ports to refit and resupply and, why the Chinese are decades to a century away from being a superpower as they don't have any anywhere on the planet to do same.
chris27292729: Forming alliances in the region,to stop the Chinise,and possibly fighting a war with the countries,they suppost in the region, it could possibly resulted, in another prolong war,similar to one in Iraq and Afghanistan,leaving behind destructed countries and in political turmoil.
Possible but doubtful.
chris27292729: The question is what is at stake.Is the "Law of the Sea" as such,or what is UNDER the sea???. They say there is oil in the South China Sea.
Easier to just buy it on the world market like they have for over fifty years.
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America has maintained a strong presents in the Pacific I think since the boxer rebellion, US is part of the ANZAC pack, has protective arrangements with both South Korea and Japan, has had bases in Thailand at least since the Vietnam war, has defence and other arrangements with the Philippines. Western Samoa and Guam part of America, Hawaii, other associations including most countries in the western hemisphere, created in 1948 to promote military and economic and social and cultural cooperation which includes a number of countries fronting the Pacific Ocean
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robplum: America has maintained a strong presents in the Pacific I think since the boxer rebellion, US is part of the ANZAC pack, has protective arrangements with both South Korea and Japan, has had bases in Thailand at least since the Vietnam war, has defence and other arrangements with the Philippines. Western Samoa and Guam part of America, Hawaii, other associations including most countries in the western hemisphere, created in 1948 to promote military and economic and social and cultural cooperation which includes a number of countries fronting the Pacific Ocean
China is looking to put rigs in the South China Sea in order to boost their claim to the waters that Viet Nam and other countries lay claim to. If they say no then China just drills and if they wish to share in the wealth they say yes and China now has the right to those waters. As China would have the military right to patrol those waters to protect their rigs the waters would be rife with Chinese ships elbowing out other nations such as Vietnam and Thailand.
This is where the US comes in and, in the interests of the US is is the ability to stage fleets effortlessly on the other side of the globe, something the Chinese cannot do leaving them restricted to their own area.
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The Spratly Island
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been going on long time, not just over oil, fishing and worst of all China claims ownership of petty much all of the South China Sea, part of the Sea of Japan, has been kicked out of PNG and other Pacific Islands, still has quite big influence today in Fiji.
China recently challenged a Indian Navy vessel somewhere off Vietnam to
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been going on long time, not just over oil, fishing and worst of all China claims ownership of petty much all of the South China Sea, part of the Sea of Japan, has been kicked out of PNG and other Pacific Islands, still has quite big influence today in Fiji.
China recently challenged a Indian Navy vessel somewhere off Vietnam to
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If China,Vietnam and Philippines are signatories of the "Law of the Sea" the best thing to do, is demarcation by the 3 of them.If they don't agree,disputing limits between them,the best thing is, to apply to the Intern, Court of Justice to solve their problem,signatories of the L of the Sea, or not.The same can be said,about owenership in any disputed island.Few countries they don't recognize the Low of the Sea,purely because its against their own interests.
robplum: The Spratly Island
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been going on long time, not just over oil, fishing and worst of all China claims ownership of petty much all of the South China Sea, part of the Sea of Japan, has been kicked out of PNG and other Pacific Islands, still has quite big influence today in Fiji.
China recently challenged a Indian Navy vessel somewhere off Vietnam to
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been going on long time, not just over oil, fishing and worst of all China claims ownership of petty much all of the South China Sea, part of the Sea of Japan, has been kicked out of PNG and other Pacific Islands, still has quite big influence today in Fiji.
China recently challenged a Indian Navy vessel somewhere off Vietnam to
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chris27292729: If China,Vietnam and Philippines are signatories of the "Law of the Sea" the best thing to do, is demarcation by the 3 of them.If they don't agree,disputing limits between them,the best thing is, to apply to the Intern, Court of Justice to solve their problem,signatories of the L of the Sea, or not.The same can be said,about owenership in any disputed island.Few countries they don't recognize the Low of the Sea,purely because its against their own interests.
As explained Chris, there is no problem here as China is offering to pay money to have rights however, it comes with their own 'security' which is a defacto military presence which effects shipping.
Say no and you lose out on the exploration and say yes you yield to Chinese control of the waters for what could be forever. The law of the sea does not come into this at all.
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""WASHINGTON - The United States and Vietnam on Aug. 1 opened their first formal military relationship since their war, another sign of growing cooperation amid high tensions between Hanoi and China.
The U.S. and Vietnamese militaries signed an agreement in Hanoi setting up cooperation in health, setting the stage for exchanges and research collaboration in military medicine, a U.S. Navy statement said.
The former war foes have been steadily building ties and last month held a joint naval drill. But Aug. 1's agreement marks the first formal military cooperation since the normalization of diplomatic relations in 1995, the navy said
Despite memories of war, Vietnam has been eager for broader ties with the United States amid a flare-up in its historically tense relationship with China.
Both Vietnam and the Philippines have accused China in recent months of provocations in the South China Sea, where Beijing has a number of territorial disputes.""
Interesting indeed.