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WhatUwish4: Looks like I'm in over my head trying to find a good way to compare apples to apples. Part of the problem is that most of Obamacare has yet to be written so there's not many tangibles out there.
What we need is a doctor from both sides to weigh in...
What we need is a doctor from both sides to weigh in...
Let's leave the Doctors to treating patients, I think. Though I value their opinions, just not their practical sense.
Over here they're trying to grant more autonomy to Doctors to allow them to pick and choose where a patient is treated. Obviously without some kind of third body overseeing this the potential for corruption and backhanders is massive. Most Doctors in Britain actually oppose this subtle privatisation anyway, as they want patient care to be their focus.
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RayfromUSA: Oy vey, who's minding the bank???
Ray is!
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Rumple4skin: Let's leave the Doctors to treating patients, I think. Though I value their opinions, just not their practical sense.
Over here they're trying to grant more autonomy to Doctors to allow them to pick and choose where a patient is treated. Obviously without some kind of third body overseeing this the potential for corruption and backhanders is massive. Most Doctors in Britain actually oppose this subtle privatisation anyway, as they want patient care to be their focus.
so,you think some Government Official who hasn't got an Idea about Medicine,or is a Medical Doctor only fit to make Administrative Decisions would in your Opinion do a better Job?Over here they're trying to grant more autonomy to Doctors to allow them to pick and choose where a patient is treated. Obviously without some kind of third body overseeing this the potential for corruption and backhanders is massive. Most Doctors in Britain actually oppose this subtle privatisation anyway, as they want patient care to be their focus.
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Conrad73: so,you think some Government Official who hasn't got an Idea about Medicine,or is a Medical Doctor only fit to make Administrative Decisions would in your Opinion do a better Job?
Yes, i'm saying a standard practice should be used so long as the standard practice is fit for purpose. I'm not saying the persons defining this practice should be bereft of medical experience and knowledge, only that their integrity not be compromised.
The Doctor needs to make a diagnosis, and, with consultation with the patient, decide which(if any)treatment is necessary. The Doctor is not there to play salesmen between competing health agencies. Nor should we allow a situation to occur where patients are not treated correctly because they are not profitable to treat, which could easily happen without adequate regulation.
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Rumple4skin: Yes, i'm saying a standard practice should be used so long as the standard practice is fit for purpose. I'm not saying the persons defining this practice should be bereft of medical experience and knowledge, only that their integrity not be compromised.
The Doctor needs to make a diagnosis, and, with consultation with the patient, decide which(if any)treatment is necessary. The Doctor is not there to play salesmen between competing health agencies. Nor should we allow a situation to occur where patients are not treated correctly because they are not profitable to treat, which could easily happen without adequate regulation.
But a bunch of incompetent Doctors sitting in a Government Agency will do the Trick?The Doctor needs to make a diagnosis, and, with consultation with the patient, decide which(if any)treatment is necessary. The Doctor is not there to play salesmen between competing health agencies. Nor should we allow a situation to occur where patients are not treated correctly because they are not profitable to treat, which could easily happen without adequate regulation.
I can see you haven't got an inkling how our system works!
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Conrad73: But a bunch of incompetent Doctors sitting in a Government Agency will do the Trick?
I can see you haven't got an inkling how our system works!
I can see you haven't got an inkling how our system works!
I can see from your vast repertoire of snidey one-liners and over-simplistic statements that I won't be learning anything of how your system works, at least not from you.
Though I do think I understand my system, and I understand that it works rather well.
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"Obama one of the best presidents since world war 2" LOL I don't think so!
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I think it was around 1988 I needed a job and took whatever I could find. I found a job working for a company who hired nurses who were the final authority if a patient needed surgery and where that surgery would take place.
A patient called the number and I answered the phone. I had to get all the pertinent information from the patient and then pass it on to the nurse. She decided if the patient really did need the surgery the doctor said they needed. To go a step further, she decided where the surgery would take place.
The doctor would diagnose someone but the nurses were the final say. It didn't work back then and it won't work now.
A patient called the number and I answered the phone. I had to get all the pertinent information from the patient and then pass it on to the nurse. She decided if the patient really did need the surgery the doctor said they needed. To go a step further, she decided where the surgery would take place.
The doctor would diagnose someone but the nurses were the final say. It didn't work back then and it won't work now.
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Rumple4skin: I can see from your vast repertoire of snidey one-liners and over-simplistic statements that I won't be learning anything of how your system works, at least not from you.
Though I do think I understand my system, and I understand that it works rather well.
I posted several Links to Articles which you most likely did not read,and your ad Hominem won't help you understand the Swiss System either!Though I do think I understand my system, and I understand that it works rather well.
But it is definitely several Notches above yours!
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Conrad73: I posted several Links to Articles which you most likely did not read,and your ad Hominem won't help you understand the Swiss System either!
But it is definitely several Notches above yours!
But it is definitely several Notches above yours!
We got a system? Rats, I thought we were playing it by ear....
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ttom500: We got a system? Rats, I thought we were playing it by ear....
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WhatUwish4: Looks like I'm in over my head trying to find a good way to compare apples to apples. Part of the problem is that most of Obamacare has yet to be written so there's not many tangibles out there.
What we need is a doctor from both sides to weigh in...
What we need is a doctor from both sides to weigh in...
Just make apple pie WhatUWish4. Comparing does not work here at CS.
Baking them for a hour at 400 degrees does......
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Like the part about healthcare funds being available in case Wall Street banks want another bailout.
They'll put that in at the last minute.