Obama Care summed up! (55)
Rumple4skin: The statistic is the fact and the article is the sensation... an article posted upon the Mises site which undeniably means it has an agenda.
To be eclectic is not necessarily good nor bad, its quality depends upon the merits of the ideas therein.
The NHS is still one of the best of health services in the World and it's good value for money. This is in spite of the sheer numbers of health-tourists & asylum seekers that utilise the service without contributing towards its upkeep, and the costs incurred through patent laws that establish monopolies for big-pharma resulting in uncompetitive drug pricing - still, these drugs cost less, on average, in the UK than they do in the USA and therefore the monopoly is weaker under our state system.
To be eclectic is not necessarily good nor bad, its quality depends upon the merits of the ideas therein.
The NHS is still one of the best of health services in the World and it's good value for money. This is in spite of the sheer numbers of health-tourists & asylum seekers that utilise the service without contributing towards its upkeep, and the costs incurred through patent laws that establish monopolies for big-pharma resulting in uncompetitive drug pricing - still, these drugs cost less, on average, in the UK than they do in the USA and therefore the monopoly is weaker under our state system.
my friend, do not waste your time as i did, if the beneficiaries of the universal heath care are not going to make it mandatory, you can not make it happen for them, Obama care is a compromise between the universal health care system and the current health care system as we have it in the USA, 10 million are without medical coverage, another 11 million are unemployed , and eventually the debate will not be on line in one of connecting singles forum, but it will be on the street, and everyone opposed the universal heath care now will beg for mercy in real life on the streets, people always love to learn the hard way, but then greed and ignorance will not be an acceptable excuse, we have here people who would deny that the son rises from the east, just because they can
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sakamaksaka: my friend, do not waste your time as i did, if the beneficiaries of the universal heath care are not going to make it mandatory, you can not make it happen for them, Obama care is a compromise between the universal health care system and the current health care system as we have it in the USA, 10 million are without medical coverage, another 11 million are unemployed , and eventually the debate will not be on line in one of connecting singles forum, but it will be on the street, and everyone opposed the universal heath care now will beg for mercy in real life on the streets, people always love to learn the hard way, but then greed and ignorance will not be an acceptable excuse, we have here people who would deny that the son rises from the east, just because they can
When you can argue a point with as much clarity and accuracy as Rumpy, maybe you won't waste anyone's time.
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HuggerMan4U: I would like to get some dental work done, but I'm on a fixed income and cannot afford to go to the dentist. What am I to do, then? I couldn't afford the $32 a month dental insurance, so I had to drop it. I had the insurance for 3 years, and never used a dime of it because I couldn't afford the deductibles and copays. I seriously doubt whether Mr. Obama is going to pay for my dental care.
contact your "Gospel Mission" as they have dentist who, if you are below a certain income will fix your teeth for free,
You only have to show last years tax statement.
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Rumple4skin: The statistic is the fact and the article is the sensation... an article posted upon the Mises site which undeniably means it has an agenda.
To be eclectic is not necessarily good nor bad, its quality depends upon the merits of the ideas therein.
The NHS is still one of the best of health services in the World and it's good value for money. This is in spite of the sheer numbers of health-tourists & asylum seekers that utilise the service without contributing towards its upkeep, and the costs incurred through patent laws that establish monopolies for big-pharma resulting in uncompetitive drug pricing - still, these drugs cost less, on average, in the UK than they do in the USA and therefore the monopoly is weaker under our state system.
your Collectivist System was old when Karl was in Swaddle-Clothes!To be eclectic is not necessarily good nor bad, its quality depends upon the merits of the ideas therein.
The NHS is still one of the best of health services in the World and it's good value for money. This is in spite of the sheer numbers of health-tourists & asylum seekers that utilise the service without contributing towards its upkeep, and the costs incurred through patent laws that establish monopolies for big-pharma resulting in uncompetitive drug pricing - still, these drugs cost less, on average, in the UK than they do in the USA and therefore the monopoly is weaker under our state system.
Here for your perusal!
If you think it's all propaganda there!
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Best healthcare plan is don't break and bones, don't catch any
infections, don't get cancer and don't grow old.
infections, don't get cancer and don't grow old.
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Conrad73: your Collectivist System was old when Karl was in Swaddle-Clothes!
Here for your perusal!
If you think it's all propaganda there!
Here for your perusal!
If you think it's all propaganda there!
Not everyday someone references Mises.org! Clearly the greatest economic mind the world ever saw; and a school of that is perpetually right after the fact. I find this political debate ever so boring though. Oh this system and that, yet no one wants discuss the reality before us.
Do you honestly believe in Capitalism? A system of free and voluntary exchange would mean that everything from Money and Interests Rates to Roads and Schools would all be done between consenting adults without coercion. How many "Conservatives" or "Capitalists" believe in this? National = Socialized. National Defense, no conservative could ever imagine a world where the countries of the world have private defense agencies.
Flip it around.
It's cute for people to say they want Government building roads or running school systems, healthcare, space travel.. whatever. Yet at their very basic needs, where are they? Where are these people chanting for Government Run Collectivist Farms, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, Clothing Manufacturing, Housing! If some things are too important to be left to private individuals, why do food, housing and clothing get exemption as they are easily the most important?
In the end, aren't politically oriented people just hypocrites?
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libertine5: Not everyday someone references Mises.org! Clearly the greatest economic mind the world ever saw; and a school of that is perpetually right after the fact. I find this political debate ever so boring though. Oh this system and that, yet no one wants discuss the reality before us.
Do you honestly believe in Capitalism? A system of free and voluntary exchange would mean that everything from Money and Interests Rates to Roads and Schools would all be done between consenting adults without coercion. How many "Conservatives" or "Capitalists" believe in this? National = Socialized. National Defense, no conservative could ever imagine a world where the countries of the world have private defense agencies.
Flip it around.
It's cute for people to say they want Government building roads or running school systems, healthcare, space travel.. whatever. Yet at their very basic needs, where are they? Where are these people chanting for Government Run Collectivist Farms, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, Clothing Manufacturing, Housing! If some things are too important to be left to private individuals, why do food, housing and clothing get exemption as they are easily the most important?
In the end, aren't politically oriented people just hypocrites?
Do you honestly believe in Capitalism? A system of free and voluntary exchange would mean that everything from Money and Interests Rates to Roads and Schools would all be done between consenting adults without coercion. How many "Conservatives" or "Capitalists" believe in this? National = Socialized. National Defense, no conservative could ever imagine a world where the countries of the world have private defense agencies.
Flip it around.
It's cute for people to say they want Government building roads or running school systems, healthcare, space travel.. whatever. Yet at their very basic needs, where are they? Where are these people chanting for Government Run Collectivist Farms, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, Clothing Manufacturing, Housing! If some things are too important to be left to private individuals, why do food, housing and clothing get exemption as they are easily the most important?
In the end, aren't politically oriented people just hypocrites?
Why does it have to be either/or? Nobody is suggesting we privatize every little thing out there. But when a government program is broken, such as social security and medicare, the people who have paid into them religiously their entire working life are going to be hurt - and hurt badly. What is the point of allowing the government to forcibly take our money on a promise, if they always end up bankrupt?
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libertine5: Not everyday someone references Mises.org! Clearly the greatest economic mind the world ever saw; and a school of that is perpetually right after the fact. I find this political debate ever so boring though. Oh this system and that, yet no one wants discuss the reality before us.
Do you honestly believe in Capitalism? A system of free and voluntary exchange would mean that everything from Money and Interests Rates to Roads and Schools would all be done between consenting adults without coercion. How many "Conservatives" or "Capitalists" believe in this? National = Socialized. National Defense, no conservative could ever imagine a world where the countries of the world have private defense agencies.
Flip it around.
It's cute for people to say they want Government building roads or running school systems, healthcare, space travel.. whatever. Yet at their very basic needs, where are they? Where are these people chanting for Government Run Collectivist Farms, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, Clothing Manufacturing, Housing! If some things are too important to be left to private individuals, why do food, housing and clothing get exemption as they are easily the most important?
In the end, aren't politically oriented people just hypocrites?
If it ever comes about,it would be in the distant Future!Do you honestly believe in Capitalism? A system of free and voluntary exchange would mean that everything from Money and Interests Rates to Roads and Schools would all be done between consenting adults without coercion. How many "Conservatives" or "Capitalists" believe in this? National = Socialized. National Defense, no conservative could ever imagine a world where the countries of the world have private defense agencies.
Flip it around.
It's cute for people to say they want Government building roads or running school systems, healthcare, space travel.. whatever. Yet at their very basic needs, where are they? Where are these people chanting for Government Run Collectivist Farms, Grocery Stores, Restaurants, Clothing Manufacturing, Housing! If some things are too important to be left to private individuals, why do food, housing and clothing get exemption as they are easily the most important?
In the end, aren't politically oriented people just hypocrites?
As long as People can vote themselves generous helpings from other People through Taxation,and even outright Confiscation you won't see much change!
but more and more People opt out of the System!
There might be hope yet!
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I think I have a clue now. Three persons come together to work
out health care for the people in a room that has 9 donuts. A
Obamacare person, a patient, and doctor. The Obamacare person
and doctor enter first. The Obamacare person grabs 8 donuts and
tells the doctor to grab the last donut before the patient comes
in.
out health care for the people in a room that has 9 donuts. A
Obamacare person, a patient, and doctor. The Obamacare person
and doctor enter first. The Obamacare person grabs 8 donuts and
tells the doctor to grab the last donut before the patient comes
in.
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agman: I think I have a clue now. Three persons come together to work
out health care for the people in a room that has 9 donuts. A
Obamacare person, a patient, and doctor. The Obamacare person
and doctor enter first. The Obamacare person grabs 8 donuts and
tells the doctor to grab the last donut before the patient comes
in.
out health care for the people in a room that has 9 donuts. A
Obamacare person, a patient, and doctor. The Obamacare person
and doctor enter first. The Obamacare person grabs 8 donuts and
tells the doctor to grab the last donut before the patient comes
in.
Ok I'm sorry but I just have to say this...
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WhatUwish4: Why does it have to be either/or? Nobody is suggesting we privatize every little thing out there. But when a government program is broken, such as social security and medicare, the people who have paid into them religiously their entire working life are going to be hurt - and hurt badly. What is the point of allowing the government to forcibly take our money on a promise, if they always end up bankrupt?
Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.
The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.
The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect.
That's still only a sliver of the population, given that more than 150 million people currently are covered by employer plans. Nonetheless, in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000.
And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who'll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.
Average penalty: about $1,200 in 2016.
"The bad news and broken promises from Obamacare just keep piling up," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, who wants to repeal the law.
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InGodslight: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jmIII4FgDvIW-bij_fdHF4v0Whbw?docId=48328c71af0241c39aef95fda77612f7
Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.
The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.
The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect.
That's still only a sliver of the population, given that more than 150 million people currently are covered by employer plans. Nonetheless, in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000.
And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who'll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.
Average penalty: about $1,200 in 2016.
"The bad news and broken promises from Obamacare just keep piling up," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, who wants to repeal the law.
Tax penalty to hit nearly 6M uninsured people
WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly 6 million Americans — significantly more than first estimated— will face a tax penalty under President Barack Obama's health overhaul for not getting insurance, congressional analysts said Wednesday. Most would be in the middle class.
The new estimate amounts to an inconvenient fact for the administration, a reminder of what critics see as broken promises.
The numbers from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office are 50 percent higher than a previous projection by the same office in 2010, shortly after the law passed. The earlier estimate found 4 million people would be affected in 2016, when the penalty is fully in effect.
That's still only a sliver of the population, given that more than 150 million people currently are covered by employer plans. Nonetheless, in his first campaign for the White House, Obama pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000 a year and couples making less than $250,000.
And the budget office analysis found that nearly 80 percent of those who'll face the penalty would be making up to or less than five times the federal poverty level. Currently that would work out to $55,850 or less for an individual and $115,250 or less for a family of four.
Average penalty: about $1,200 in 2016.
"The bad news and broken promises from Obamacare just keep piling up," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, who wants to repeal the law.
I saw this in the news today. I wonder how people are going to react when this "inconvenient truth" sinks in.
But the saddest thing is that ALSO creates an incentive for people like me, who pays $7,000 a year for family coverage, to drop my coverage in favor of "Obamacare" and just pay the $1,200 fine.
How stupid is that?
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WhatUwish4: I saw this in the news today. I wonder how people are going to react when this "inconvenient truth" sinks in.
But the saddest thing is that ALSO creates an incentive for people like me, who pays $7,000 a year for family coverage, to drop my coverage in favor of "Obamacare" and just pay the $1,200 fine.
How stupid is that?
But the saddest thing is that ALSO creates an incentive for people like me, who pays $7,000 a year for family coverage, to drop my coverage in favor of "Obamacare" and just pay the $1,200 fine.
How stupid is that?
And just how do they plan to fine and collect that fine from the unemployed? I haven't quite figured that one out yet.
I read the real unemployment is more like 20% ( maybe a bit more ), and so many on food stamps now. These are record numbers of people. Who and how are they going to collect these fines?
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InGodslight: And just how do they plan to fine and collect that fine from the unemployed? I haven't quite figured that one out yet.
I read the real unemployment is more like 20% ( maybe a bit more ), and so many on food stamps now. These are record numbers of people. Who and how are they going to collect these fines?
I read the real unemployment is more like 20% ( maybe a bit more ), and so many on food stamps now. These are record numbers of people. Who and how are they going to collect these fines?
I would have thought it would be the legions of hew IRS employees they are hiring, but I think I saw something the other day about how they were not going to be chasing people down.
I'll put that on my "research" list for tomorrow. Too tired tonight.
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If people can't afford healthcare when they are free to find the best possible deal, they certainly won't be able to afford it when there is a big government bureaucracy to pay along with the medical system. Taking money out of everyone's salary doesn't "provide" healthcare. It just forces people to accept whatever the government wants to dish out.
When the health system is private, government doesn't get involved.
But when the government controls the healthcare system, suddenly it is in the governments economic interest to give less healthcare for more money.