What to do when the system fails? ( Archived) (9)

I see all over the place, people who are completely against what is considered 'illegal immigration', but fail to understand some of the non-drug, and non-criminal states that may drive this. What if the system that governs INS is... Corrupt, biased, bigotted, unjust, and completely overwhelmed to a point where it's time frames are absurd, splitting families, and demanding requirements that are met by only the extremely rich?

It has become a point in state, that it's a crime to spend time with your loved ones. It's a crime to be a good father, a loving husband, or spouse, and in general to be in love with someone from another country. It's a travesty that would situate a family to a point where it's a minimum of 7 years before the family can be reunited... provided after that time period, the Visas required and the requirements are accepted. Visting is forbidden... You and your spouse are banned from each others country...

This is happening at a staggering rate. I am currently going through this. It has been since June 28th of this year I have been able to spend time with my wife, and step daughters... I am forcefully seperated... At this point, I have been away from my wife, longer than I have been with her... and been told by immigration... 'You will be imprisoned if you attempt to cross the boarder to see your family'... 'Why didn't you marry someone from your OWN country'... 'There is a slim chance in hell you will every see your wife and family again'... Seem absurd? I wish it was... but unfortunately, it's not...

My advice... love the one you're with... because you just never know what tomorrow holds, it may be your last day... treat each one as there won't be another...

My wife is banned from Canada under criminal law, from a theft misdemeanor in 2000... She is disqualified until at least 2010 to enter Canada. Because of a failed first marriage, in 1997, and now presently being married to another American, I am permanently banned from US soil. Could it also be that Homeland security is so paranoid, they would even threaten Citizen of their own country from reentering? That night... My American Wife (Andria) was refused entry to her own country, and also threatened with imprisonment if she tried to reenter. She is at this time back in the US, while I am in Canada...

What if it was impossible to do things correctly and the only alternative to divorce, and losing your family forever, was to immigrate illegally? Would you? Why or why not? Or would you give up and just accept defeat? Move on... let wounds heal, consider the lesson learned and hope you find love with someone from your own country? If you're thinking of marrying, or getting involved with someone from another country, in the state of affairs in this world, I would strongly, strongly, advise you rethink what you're getting into... Especially if it involves the US.

How do you explain to a 7 or 11 year old, that Dad can't come home? And that they can't visit Dad because Mom is allowed to visit? Is the detriment that it potentially causes on the children enough of a warrant to dissolve the relationship? Or should it be regarded in hope? Sustained in love... and left alone to just be what it? A permanent state of seperation from your loved ones?

Peace...

PurposelyAdrift

I seriously suggest you seek counsel and to bring it up with those at Foreign Affairs. You must put something down on file and not just on CS or the system will not change.

Lol... Counsel is useless... caught up with redtape... literally and figureatively... this is nothing more at this point than a hypothetical, it's futile... MP's, MPP's, and Laywers within the radius of calling on both sides of the boarder won't touch this with a 10' pole... the world has come to a sorry state...

Readers Digest version of the post above...

You and your spouse are banned from each other... a total real life Romeo and Juliet Scenario... seperated seemingly permanently... If it was impossible to do things correctly and the only alternative to divorce, and losing touch with your family, was to do things illegally? Would you? Or would you give up and just accept defeat, and divorce? Lick your wounds and move on for the benefit of each other, and the children? And re-enroll yourself on connecting singles in search of love? Why or Why not?

This is a personal question of ethics... not one that can be answered by law, or formal counsel, all they give you is the law side of things... what would you do out of emotional context? If you had to intuitively make a decision? Risk it? wait it out? Or let it go?

Something does not sound right here. Why would they ban you from US soil for a failed marriage? Hell if that were the the case the borders would be empty. I dunno. I'm not trying to judge, just think there is more to the story than you have written..

Good luck, sounds like your going to need it..

Welcome to the "New World Order".


Most people will not want to here you on what you say, It's happening. And because so many are scared and don't beleive in it. You will be made into a conspiracy theorist. All people have to do is look what they used to have and look what they have now, and look whats coming in the future.

Email me, Adrift, and I'll send you some sites to look at. Hell here in the USA we got concetration camps being set up and no one wants to see them for what they are, just like the russian and chinese military bases we have here too. I'm part of a christian underground, a mix of different church denominations.

good luck.

Love my country, but, fear my government....

I reboot.

what the f..oh well...watch what you say,patriot act and all,your group should keep you in check..loose cannon.

I've been through this twice; same thing. You even mention while crossing the boarder that you are married to a US citizen from another country even for a legal visit, and you'll have Homeland Security and 4-8 of it's officers scrutinizing you, harassing you, finger printing you, going through your wallet, making derogatory comments, humiliating you in front of your spouse and/or children, while mocking your rings, your relationship, and taking mug shots. If you lie, out of fear of saying you're married, and with good reason, they'll do it to you anyways. Possibly imprisoning you for lying to a Federal Officer.

> ...just think there is more to the story than you have written.

More to this story? But, unfortunately it would turn into a book. But I’m truthful when I say, there really wasn’t any reason for being picked on to that degree.

> Why would they ban you from US soil for a failed marriage?

It more or less boiled down to, "Your first marriage failed, what makes you think this one will work? Didn't you learn your lesson the first time to marry someone from your OWN country?"

I had a prior permanent ban from US Soil in 1996, which thanks to my father during it's execution was lowered to 7 months over my first marriage, only to be told $10's of thousands of dollars later, and much aggravation from the US Consulate Officer that issued the VISA in Montreal, there was no reason for the initial ban, and he was 'sorry' for the trouble it created. Thanks, do I get that time period of my life back? I was also told at this time, another infraction, for whatever reason would result in my permanent ban from US Soil. This has been looming over my head since 1997.

Being married again, I did not want to live in the US, so I maintained permanent residence in Canada, and was travelling back and forth across the boarder to support the family, as my wife couldn't get into Canada. She was disqualified for entry, as mentioned above, and because I didn't want to live in the United States or go through US INS again. The goal was for her to live in Canada. What choice did we have otherwise? Eventually, Homeland Security decides they'll just finish off the relationship by banning me from being able to travel back and forth.

> Hell if that were the case the borders would be empty...

Not necessarily. The boarders are packed with Visitors, Temporary Workers, Students, Diplomats, Treaty Officers, Refugees, and all sorts of other individuals that have nothing to do with Cross-Boarder Relationships. That is the real problem. If you are in a cross-boarder relationship, you are grouped in the same class as terrorists. Countries around the world are slowly closing their boarders, and making it hard to have relationships with persons outside of those boarders.

It is now policy to fingerprint, photograph, and identify all persons who are visiting spouses, immediate family members, or otherwise as part of the US-VISIT Program, to make sure you are following your Visa obligations, and not part of a terrorist organization. Big Brother is watching, and Big Brother is pissed off.

Immigrant Visa’s have a "one-time entry" attached to them. A major reason I did not make application for a Visa; if you start the process to enter the US, you are not permitted to leave. Under almost all attempts to re-enter, they will bar you. This is not to say there are not those individuals that are able to make it, as people can, and people do. But be aware, it is a long tedious and dragged out road that can takes years, with many twists and turns that just won't be foreseen.

If this doesn't scare a lot of you considering international relationships, I would suggest studying the horrifying implication of the US 1996 Immigration Act, if you plan on uniting in the US. Thank Newt Gingrich, I watched these laws pass on C-SPAN, while freedom for hope of legal immigration went out the window.

Peace...

PurposelyAdrift